PROJECT ISIS: The KGB's Discovery of The Tomb of The Visitor

Originally posted by SarK0Y
to process info always been haemorrhoidal curse

This is why they invented SEXATARIES To get the work done

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Sorry couldn't resist

oh, yea, there was f*king funny -- multisome will come

Clearly the most interesting depictions of the Djed...

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are the ones that are supporting 'bulbs'... and that have 'hands and arms' -

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...this one also has 'hands and arms' and supports a 'bulb' that appears to have Lightning inside, or is perhaps a later rendition of the snakes above:

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What gives the Djed the appearance of being a high- voltage coil is that it appears similar to an electrical component seen in use today:


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on your local power pole, known as a 'Lightning Arrestor' -

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which is also commonly seen in connection with electric power generation equipment:

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also at your local electric substation -

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However our components are designed to 'protect' from Lighting by shorting this voltage directly to ground.

But what if you did not fear Lightning and did not wish to short that Voltage to ground, but instead used it as a 'Lightning Captivator' able to harness and store it's sudden immense voltage. Would you not then have 'Lightning in a Bottle'?

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What if you then connected several of these together in series for more Voltage, each with it's own battery -

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and then connected several of these strings together in parallel for more Amperage, might it look something like this? -

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One would imagine that would be a useful technology to have at your fingertips.

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(for things like charging your electric scooter )

Originally posted by A51Watcher
are the ones that are supporting 'bulbs'... and that have 'hands and arms' -

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Ever see one of those working?

i cant watch videos from first post:
This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated
This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Associated Television International.
etc..

anyone else?

Originally posted by zorgon

Well this is really odd... nothing like this ever showed up in previous searched

The Great Pyramid's Subterranean Chamber Hydraulic Pulse Generator

bibliotecapleyades.net

That page shows several pictures originally posted on John Cadman's own home page here -


on his Hydraulic Ram Pump research.

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Which goes into great detail on his theories on this subject, and if nothing else this page provides a great amount of detail on "The subterranean chamber" not found elsewhere, which 'experts' have always told us was an "Unfinished Chamber".



Huh??

THE very first chamber, to be built before ALL ELSE in the GP, was "Unfinished"??

"Oh gee I dunno, just leave it for later and we'll figure somethin out."

Yeah right.

(also no 'check valve' or 'clack valve' ever found in GP)


Also included on that page is a video of his working model of one.

The Great Pyramids of Eqypt were ram water pumps...

The problem I see here is the same one you mentioned ealier...

"...It certainly does appear that something was being dammed off... water? If so to what end and at that height?"





The bottom line for John is -

"...Anyone that has experienced the running model all come away saying that the pump function is secondary to the pulse generation. The intense pulse is directed towards the King’s chamber causing it to resonate...

In essence promoting the theory the GP is a hydraulic pulse generator.

A very interesting read none the less.

Originally posted by griswold
i cant watch videos from first post:
This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated
This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Associated Television International.
etc..

anyone else?

I am beginning to HATE youtube but yeah I guess since it was a scifi channel production it did have copyright issues

You can buy the original CD's here through Amazon
The Secret KGB UFO Files (1998) Roger Moore

Google Video has it in one video with the original disclaimer

Google Video Link

Disclose TV has a copy
www.disclose.tv...

Originally posted by zorgon

Ever see one of those working?

Yep. But what I would REALLY like to see - is that bulb reconnected, but this time with a -real- lightning arrestor connected to the 'filament' end!

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hiii, real scary

-continued-


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The descending passage (b) leading down to the 'unfinished' subterranean chamber (c) looks like this:


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Are we to believe that this too is also "unfinished"?

Without this ramp and handrails added recently for tourists, what is left? Not a ceremonial passageway to be sure.

Again - this only points out the clearly utilitarian nature of this entire structure.


Could they have created it in a more polished manner if they had wished to do so?


Much like John Anthony West, a sharp- eyed fellow named Christopher Dunn did some wandering around Egypt and also observed some things that again - did not seem to match up with the story presented to us by 'the experts' :

I'm not an Egyptologist, I'm a technologist. I do not have much interest in who died when, whom they may have taken with them and where they went to. No lack of respect is intended for the mountain of work and the millions of hours of study conducted on this subject by intelligent scholars (professional and amateur), but my interest, thus my focus, is elsewhere.

When I look at an artifact to investigate how it was manufactured, I am not concerned about its history or chronology. Having spent most of my career working with the machinery that actually creates modern artifacts, such as jet-engine components, I am able to analyze and determine how an artifact was created. I have also had training and experience in some non-conventional manufacturing methods, such as laser processing and electrical discharge machining.

...and what he found was - Evidence of Advanced Machining in Ancient Egypt -

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...The ancient Egyptians created artifacts that cannot be explained in simple terms.

These tools (primitive copper instruments) do not fully represent the "state of the art" that is evident in the artifacts.

There are some intriguing objects that survived after this civilization, and in spite of its most visible and impressive monuments, we have only a sketchy understanding of the full scope of its technology.

The tools displayed by Egyptologists as instruments for the creation of many of these incredible artifacts are physically incapable of reproducing them.

After standing in awe before these engineering marvels, and then being shown a paltry collection of copper implements in the tool case at the Cairo Museum, one comes away bemused and frustrated.

At first around the GP he noticed evidence of (in Granite mind you) -


Saw Blade Marks!






and then also evidence of - a Lathe!









The above are only a few examples of the information and pictures Christopher generously shares on his web page here:

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Another example he investigated is this Granite Box 7-1/2 ft. wide 9 ft. high 13-½ ft. long carved from a solid piece of Aswan pink granite found in the Rock tunnels of the Serapeum at Saqqarra:







His site is another one that I recommend an in- depth reading of because it provides details not found anywhere else. (Provided yet again by first hand investigation!)

My final point here being -

Yes the Egyptians were obviously capable of producing a smooth polished finish on any material and structures they wished to do so, as evidenced in many temples and tombs around Egypt.

In the case of the GP they chose not to do so, as it was deemed unwarranted.



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reply to post by A51Watcher
You’ve made some excellent shape comparisons to lead the argument that the AE had advanced technology. Lovely images and collages, but perhaps some context? Maybe some evidence that AE had the infrastructure to design and engineer column insulators, cables, transformers and glass bulbs? It should require more than a reflex interpretation of these ancient reliefs before we knock Faraday, Ampere and the guys from their pioneering position in history...

They had the materials: copper, glass, ceramic. Did they have the ability and knowledge to apply those materials to the generation of electricity? I’d say nope, not at all. Have we found anything that looks like a column insulator or a length of copper cable…not that we know of. For this technology to have existed, it must have been brief and practically within a sociological bubble. At the very least, it appears to be confined to the Dendera Temple complex without precursors (Eddison was all trial and error) or subsequent uses or references by latter rulers (Greek or Roman) or contemporary historians.

The ‘Dendera light bulbs’ are found in the Hathor Temple, constructed around the 1st Century BC during the Roman Period. So at what level of technology were the Romans and Egyptians at in this period? One drawback is neither the Romans nor the Egyptians had the knowledge to blow glass. Without this ability, perhaps the bulbs are only bulbs to modern eyes? It was mid-1st Century before the technique came through from Syria. No glass, no bulbs. No evidence of copper cables, no insulators or parts thereof.

Unless we take the route that shady forces have ‘hidden the evidence,’ or maybe we drag out the Zahi Hawass strawman and blame him, it seems reasonable to accept the explanation of the Dendera temple reliefs provided by scholars. Here's Francois Daumas describing them in 1958

"In the last room, one sees, carefully carved on the Southern wall, a falcon with detailed feathers, preceded by a snake emerging from a lotus blossom within a boat. Whereas the whole of the temple is constructed of sandstone, to facilitate a relief of fine quality there was placed in the wall, at the level of the figures, a block of limestone suitable for very detailed work, and of this the artist took full and perfect advantage. These reliefs are cosmological representations. The snake that comes out of the lotus is equated with the shining deity Harsamtawy (Ihy) as he appears for the first time out of the primordial sea. He is again represented near the bottom of the crypt in the form of two snakes also coming forth, but this time wrapped in lotuses like protective envelopes. Sometimes those that were on the Mesktet-barque collaborated with Horus; other times the Mandjet-barque with its crew helped to reveal the god: Djed raises his body, a supreme manner of worship, attendant of the god's prestigious ka. The statuettes appear to have been used for the New Year celebration and the festival of Harsamtawy. It is likely that on these solemn occasions these objects were transported to the vault [i.e. the room above the crypt]."

Dendera and the Temple of Hathor

Such a description interlaces with the body of academic literature and translations of Egyptian culture, beliefs, temple depictions etc. Not anomalous, but contiguous with all that is known about the period.

More to read here...

reply to post by A51Watcher
As Dunn is fond of pointing out, he's no interest in the history or context of Ancient Egypt. He's happy to wander around with a steel-rule and a set-square confirming his beliefs. He hasn't paid much attention to modern or contemporary sources that have explained the techniques used by Egyptians over a time-span of some 3000 years. In that light, he hasn't demonstrated subject-knowledge of the evolution in construction techniques and seems to apply his theories to Egypt as if all those centuries existed in one generation.

Without context (or ignoring it), it's too easy to plonk down an advanced technology that includes power tools, lathes, steel presses, screws, nuts and bolts etc etc. Motorised saws, disc-cutters ans similar tools don't come from nowhere. They have precursors, they can't be made from copper or bronze. They need rubber and insulation. Alloys!

reply to post by Kandinsky


well how many did they need?

a car in every garage, a chicken in every pot?

maybe they didn't have wal-marts yet?

capitalism probably wasn't what it is today.

if you are thinking, "where is GE? IBM?"

i doubt you will find the remains of 50W bulb factories.

reply to post by fooks
The point was all this stuff needs precursors...chains of discoveries and applied science. They didn't just magic up light bulbs and electrical equipment.

Look at Eddison's light bulb and see how many discoveries had to occur, in the past, to allow him to conceive of the idea of a light bulb.

reply to post by Kandinsky


it was a custom job.

not for mass consumption, gotta be.

that could have been the last of what was known about it, too.

the ways died with the last dudes.

i'm just saying, IF they are what some think.

i lean toward lost tech, help or human.

reply to post by fooks
Nah, not for me. I haven't seen anything that supports ideas of power-plants, light bulbs, heavy machinery and the usual stuff that goes along with all this.

Even the period of the Hathor Temple? Right at the ass-end of Egyptian success and on the curve into collapse. There's evidence to support the interpretation of the Dendera reliefs...the electrical stuff is just appealing to the imagination and 'Wow Factor.'

reply to post by Kandinsky


but you have to admit it would take a high level of diversified education for a lot of people over generations?

they would need some serious stone masons, at least and more than a family of them.

what i'm saying is, as a whole the AE's were pretty well educated.

where are the schools? how did that system work?

back ot; i thought the visitor was a hoax?

reply to post by Larryman


I believe the thought it was Orion, but Orion is off a little and there is another constellation that alligns perfectly.

reply to post by fooks
They were a stratified society like ours, but in the infancy of city life and the infrastructures that go with it.

My argument is never with what the Egyptians could achieve, it's nearly always with people saying they weren't able to achieve (without help from elsewhere), or that whatever they did was a result of high-technology.

Instead, I celebrate the human achievements accomplished with the technology they had at the time. Examples of which are in museum collections around the world. I believe that bolting on high-tech or help from aliens, stargates and astronauts is a disservice to our collective history.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by A51Watcher

 

You’ve made some excellent shape comparisons to lead the argument that the AE had advanced technology. Lovely images and collages, but perhaps some context?

When considering the AE, true context turns out to be in the eye of the beholder.

The underlying premise from the beginning of my series of posts here, is that -

A major re- think of context is sorely needed in regards to the AE due to the fact that the 'experts' have misled us on several points (covered in the previous posts) AND completely MISSED the evidence of the true age of The Sphinx that was in plain sight all along.

I find it a 'disservice to our collective history' and especially the AE themselves, to infer as the 'experts' regularly do, that they were a primitive superstitious bunch whose daily lives and entire focus of their society revolved around the famed - Book Of The Dead.

Since it is the only full length feature book ever discovered (so far), ALL explanations from the 'experts' regarding the AE invariably start with some reference or another to this funeral parlor manual laced with fairytales (aka religion) that may or may not have have hidden references for initiates.

What if future archaeologists were to unearth our remains and only be able to discover a funeral home containing a bible and reference manual for embalming. Would they too confidently describe us as gullible superstitious primitives obsessed with tales of the afterlife?

And to further insult us with claims that their engineering marvels were accomplished with copper tools is preposterous. The context in this case is a figure of 10,000 plus years. Way beyond the proffered 'copper age'.

Maybe some evidence that AE had the infrastructure to design and engineer column insulators, cables, transformers and glass bulbs? It should require more than a reflex interpretation of these ancient reliefs before we knock Faraday, Ampere and the guys from their pioneering position in history...

Of course it should. It seems you take my 'excellent shape comparisons' to be something more than that.

I prefaced my remarks on Dendera when asked for my impression with "What I find interesting are the depiction of -what appears to be- high voltage coils in the base support of the bulbs:"

While indeed that was my initial impression due to their close proximity of what -appears to be- bulbs, or as you put it 'reflex interpretation' (how very diplomatic of you to not say 'knee- jerk reaction', thank you ) further comparison of coils in the industry showed that my original impression of a low voltage induction coil was not visually as good a match due to it's squared ends vs the tapered ones on lightning arrestors. Several other coils failed direct comparison also.

I disagree with you in that speculation on alternate explanations -other than- the revered 'Book Of The Dead' is not demonstrably warranted at this point (as previously noted) in examining all aspects of AE life, not just their engineering marvels. In Diplomatic speak, we been had on several fronts.

They had the materials: copper, glass, ceramic. Did they have the ability and knowledge to apply those materials to the generation of electricity? I’d say nope, not at all.

Does this relief infer which 'they' possessed this technology? Was it they themselves during the period of carving of this relief, or perhaps tales passed down of the ancients such as Ra and their technology?

Have we found anything that looks like a column insulator or a length of copper cable…not that we know of.

I find the inference that we have anything more than scratched the surface of what is to be 'found' laying buried beneath the sand not supported by a vast ratio... Is absence of uncovered (so far) evidence now considered to be evidence of absence?

For this technology to have existed, it must have been brief and practically within a sociological bubble.

If related to 'The Ancients' and not later generations of descendants this might hold to be true.

At the very least, it appears to be confined to the Dendera Temple complex without precursors (Eddison was all trial and error) or subsequent uses or references by latter rulers (Greek or Roman) or contemporary historians.

It's 'confinement' might also be due to it's placement in the "Concealed Crypt" as is is known. For Initiates only perhaprs? As you say - "it appears to be". I am all for new speculation and a re- think of the entire area.

The ‘Dendera light bulbs’ are found in the Hathor Temple, constructed around the 1st Century BC during the Roman Period. So at what level of technology were the Romans and Egyptians at in this period? One drawback is neither the Romans nor the Egyptians had the knowledge to blow glass. Without this ability, perhaps the bulbs are only bulbs to modern eyes? It was mid-1st Century before the technique came through from Syria. No glass, no bulbs. No evidence of copper cables, no insulators or parts thereof.

Unless we take the route that shady forces have ‘hidden the evidence,’ or maybe we drag out the Zahi Hawass strawman and blame him, it seems reasonable to accept the explanation of the Dendera temple reliefs provided by scholars.

How about we take neither route and instead speculate they were merely visual representations of tales passed down from one generation to another.

Here's Francois Daumas describing them in 1958

"In the last room, one sees, carefully carved on the Southern wall, a falcon with detailed feathers, preceded by a snake emerging from a lotus blossom within a boat....

Dendera and the Temple of Hathor

And with that we are then off the races again with fairy tales relegating the AE to superstitious primitives.

Such a description interlaces with the body of academic literature and translations of Egyptian culture, beliefs, temple depictions etc. Not anomalous, but contiguous with all that is known about the period.

Again that is my primary point... 'the body of academic literature and translations of Egyptian culture, beliefs, temple depictions' has failed us on several accounts.

Perhaps as non- initiates, this has then worked as intended.

I think perhaps you missed my early impression of teenagers doing their hair and nails with one. I would think to most this would set the tone and indicate the gravity to which that entire post was intended to be taken.

As stated, I found an interesting resemblance to an electrical part currently in use today, and searched for the best match.

In the end, I am amused you find my humble ramblings on a conspiracy forum enough to warrant charges of knocking

Faraday, Ampere and the guys from their pioneering position in history...

and do thank you for your diplomatic thoughtful reply which seems extremely rare in the forums these days.

However the laws concerning corona discharge and the resulting required -shapes- do remain constant no matter what period they are used in, and who thinks they 'discovered' them.


As pointed out by John Anthony West -

The ancient Egyptians themselves attributed their wisdom to an earlier age going back 36,000 years.

I will leave it with you to debate that claim with them.