HPD: Man, 74, Shoots Carjacker, 18

HPD: Man, 74, Shoots Carjacker, 18

www.click2houston.com

Houston police said Martin Baltazar, 18, approached August Peters as he was getting out of a car at a home in the 10900 block of Corona Lane shortly before 7 a.m. Thursday.

Investigators said Baltazar, wearing a ski mask, put a knife to Peters' throat and told the man to hand over his keys.

Peters got back in his car, pulled out a gun and and fired twice -- hitting Baltazar once in the stomach, police said.

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Three cheers for the 2nd amendment!

My first thought upon reading this was "Well, that guy will never carjack again".

I love hearing true stories of justice such as this one... caught in the act, or should I say shot in the act.

What do you guys think? Agree, disagree?

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[edit on 24-7-2009 by ninecrimes]

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I agree, it's great when the victim turns the tables and justice for all.

But I don't see how this is alternative news.

Good for him.

How long before the brits come on here saying the old man should have kung-fu'd the guy rather than use deadly force. A nation of ninjas they are.

If the ninja claim isnt made it will be one of: "that old status quo tyrant should have willingly given up his car to that poor underprivileged child who only wanted food.

Originally posted by ninecrimes

Three cheers for the 2nd amendment!

My first thought upon reading this was "Well, that guy will never carjack again".

I love hearing true stories of justice such as this one... caught in the act, or should I say shot in the act.

What do you guys think? Agree, disagree?

I completely agree...

Be your own God!

This is a testament to self-reliance!




Now hopefully that will resonate with other would-be punks in the neighborhood

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Good for him.

How long before the brits come on here saying the old man should have kung-fu'd the guy rather than use deadly force. A nation of ninjas they are.

If the ninja claim isnt made it will be one of: "that old status quo tyrant should have willingly given up his car to that poor underprivileged child who only wanted food.

See thisguy... this is what self-reliance is all about!

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It's still limited to the confines of the man-made "free" zone. A zone that ends much sooner than the "natural" free zone.

Good riddance to another stupid car jacking idiot.
thing that sucks tho, is you just don't hear too many stories like this. I mean does owning gun really make people that much more safe. Seems like stories of criminals getting blown away are few and far between.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Good for him.

How long before the brits come on here saying the old man should have kung-fu'd the guy rather than use deadly force. A nation of ninjas they are.

If the ninja claim isnt made it will be one of: "that old status quo tyrant should have willingly given up his car to that poor underprivileged child who only wanted food.

Well excuse me for thinking my car being stolen is better than a dead man. When the car owner shot the carjacker it could very easily have killed him. I'd rather lose my car than have a death on my hands...and I would rather see someone elses car stolen than someone killed to stop it.


The carjacker is filth aye, needs to be off the streets....but dead? Yes I know he didn't die, but that seems more luck than skill on the shooters part.

Originally posted by StevenDye

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Good for him.

How long before the brits come on here saying the old man should have kung-fu'd the guy rather than use deadly force. A nation of ninjas they are.

If the ninja claim isnt made it will be one of: "that old status quo tyrant should have willingly given up his car to that poor underprivileged child who only wanted food.

Well excuse me for thinking my car being stolen is better than a dead man. When the car owner shot the carjacker it could very easily have killed him. I'd rather lose my car than have a death on my hands...and I would rather see someone elses car stolen than someone killed to stop it.


The carjacker is filth aye, needs to be off the streets....but dead? Yes I know he didn't die, but that seems more luck than skill on the shooters part.

Wow... you sound like a perfect candidate for a carjacking.

Justice was served thanks to gun rights and if he hadn't had his gun, who knows what would have happened to him.

Not only that, but if the carjacker got away, who knows what other crimes he would have gone on to commit.

Not only that, but if the carjacker got away, who know who else would be "inspired" to do the same without fear of justice ever being served?

Wake up- this is the real world. In the real world, we punish those who break the simple laws of humanity (stealing, murdering, raping, etc).

This has set an example- now maybe criminals will think twice before robbing old people, because they seem more eager to use their self defense equipment.

Yeah, is property really more valuable than a life?

I'm a Brit, and I wish we had similar gun laws to the USA.

I'd rather have a gun in my house than not... I know that means the criminals would have guns, but a lot of them already do!

I'd rather a guy stole everything in my house than got killed by me, but if he pointed a gun at me while stealing it, I'd like the chance to defend myself....

I certainly wouldn't 'shoot first, ask questions later', but if I saw a weapon then its me or him. Property doesn't come into it at that point.

That man had a knife to his throat... his life was in danger.
Who's to say he would have just took the car? Might have slashed him anyway for good measure.

If I were in his shoes, I would have shot the carjacker too.

Originally posted by axehappy
Yeah, is property really more valuable than a life?

I'm a Brit, and I wish we had similar gun laws to the USA.

I'd rather have a gun in my house than not... I know that means the criminals would have guns, but a lot of them already do!

I'd rather a guy stole everything in my house than got killed by me, but if he pointed a gun at me while stealing it, I'd like the chance to defend myself....

I certainly wouldn't 'shoot first, ask questions later', but if I saw a weapon then its me or him. Property doesn't come into it at that point.

That man had a knife to his throat... his life was in danger.
Who's to say he would have just took the car? Might have slashed him anyway for good measure.

If I were in his shoes, I would have shot the carjacker too.

So if you woke up in the middle of the night to a robber in your house, who did NOT present a gun... you would just pretend like you were asleep and let him leave with your things even if you DID have a gun?

Sorry, but that's not "humane". That's cowardice.

Who knows what little old lady's house the robber would go to next, who might not pretend to be asleep, and might not have the benefit of simply being robbed for her "things".

Take care of the criminals, death to them all. It both takes care of them, as well as sets an example for future would-be criminals.

Of course, when I say "death to them", I only mean that when they are caught in the act and are plainly guilty. I don't mean "death to them" as in just kill anyone with an accusation against them... I think everyone gets what I'm saying.

Originally posted by ninecrimes
So if you woke up in the middle of the night to a robber in your house, who did NOT present a gun... you would just pretend like you were asleep and let him leave with your things even if you DID have a gun?

Sorry, but that's not "humane". That's cowardice.

That's not what I said at all... I would confront anyone who broke into my home, ESPECIALLY if I did have a gun.

I would hope that the gun would scare him off if he was unarmed... it would certainly deter me in that situation.
If he had a weapon, and threatened me, I'd shoot him.

I wouldn't shoot him if he tried to escape without harming me though. That's called murder... not self defence.

Personally i'd have just used my Ninja techniques on him...

I'm from the Uk you see.

Nah, seriously though... The guy was an idiot, he got shot... But as another poster mentioned could the owner have really lived with the death of another at his own hands over a silly car? I think not...

I know a lot of keyboard Rambo's and Yahoo's occupy ATS, it seems a lot of Americans LOVE a good shooting except when it's their own kids in school, but that's different and wrong, because then it's a killing spree and then it has NOTHING to do with the second ammendment and is very naughty...

Because ONLY criminals use guns. Oh wait.... the logic gets confusing...

Yep in America human lives are NOTHING compared to overly-large cars.

*Confused*

Originally posted by StevenDye

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Good for him.

How long before the brits come on here saying the old man should have kung-fu'd the guy rather than use deadly force. A nation of ninjas they are.

If the ninja claim isnt made it will be one of: "that old status quo tyrant should have willingly given up his car to that poor underprivileged child who only wanted food.

Well excuse me for thinking my car being stolen is better than a dead man. When the car owner shot the carjacker it could very easily have killed him. I'd rather lose my car than have a death on my hands...and I would rather see someone elses car stolen than someone killed to stop it.


The carjacker is filth aye, needs to be off the streets....but dead? Yes I know he didn't die, but that seems more luck than skill on the shooters part.

Not me! I'd rather blow away a scumbag than lose my property or my life. And thats exactly what will happen if some scumbag decides to commit an act of violence against me, my family, or my property. If you are to much of a coward to protect yourself or your property than you deserve the Darwin award! People like you that refuse to stand up against scumbags are responsible for empowering them!

Originally posted by axehappy

Originally posted by ninecrimes
So if you woke up in the middle of the night to a robber in your house, who did NOT present a gun... you would just pretend like you were asleep and let him leave with your things even if you DID have a gun?

Sorry, but that's not "humane". That's cowardice.

That's not what I said at all... I would confront anyone who broke into my home, ESPECIALLY if I did have a gun.

I would hope that the gun would scare him off if he was unarmed... it would certainly deter me in that situation.
If he had a weapon, and threatened me, I'd shoot him.

I wouldn't shoot him if he tried to escape without harming me though. That's called murder... not self defence.

If a person comes into your home, unarmed, and you shoot him... that's murder?

Wow... that's a new concept to me.

(I'd blow his brains all over my walls)

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Is that why crime with guns has almost doubled, if not doubled already since the ban on hanguns in Britain?...

What was that about the "largest peaceful demonstration in Britain's history" when many British people went to the streets and lamented losing their right to own and bear arms? A right which they lost and after losing it crime escalated?

www.youtube.com...

Yeah, many Americans are proud of our Constitution, and the rights provided by the Bill of Rights within the Constitution, which includes the Second Amendment right to own and bear arms, so what?

At least we don't go around lamenting the fact that a CRIMINAL who had a knife at the throat of a 74 year old man was shot by the 74 year old man who could have gotten himself killed after he gave the car keys to the criminal...



[edit on 24-7-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

In Australia here. They took our guns too, using Port Arthur.

Now the cops have tazers and are acting like idiots with a new toy (thanks, US) and criminals have no problems getting as many guns as they like.

Even mace is banned in Australia. All opportunity and advantage handed to the criminals.

Five people murdered in one house in Sydney last week. Police are claiming they have no leads. But one news report revealed that the head of the murdered household had been a witness to a robbery. Wonder why the police are keeping so quiet ?

Seeing I don't have a gun to protect my home and family, let alone possessions, I'll have to use my fingernails and teeth or maybe a pepper pot? And if any of us are attacked on the street, we'd better know how to run fast and surrender our valuables I suppose. Because we're NOT allowed to defend ourselves (thanks, NWO Oz government which obeys the US which obeys Israel) and no-one will stick their necks out or witness for us because if they do, they'll likely end up dead and the police will claim they 'have no leads'.

Meanwhile, the cops are armed. The criminals and scum are armed. And the crime rate is not falling, despite an unarmed Aussie public. Yet the liberal dimwits parrot their programming and claim it's a better world with an unarmed potential-victim population. Yep. Ok. Whatever you say, liberals and government. But if anyone hurts anyone I value or steals from me, I'll do my best to take them down, using 'illegal weapon' gardening tools or whatever. And I'll kill them if I can. Because the penalties for killing someone these days are less than injuring them and far less than petty theft.

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, it does suck that this kid robbed this man, but on the other hand - this seems like downright revenge to me, unless his life was threatened.

If the kid was unarmed, I see it as an act of revenge. Carjackers should be punished, but not with their life. Even Singapore doesn't execute people for carjacking. Do we really want to allow people to kill people merely for stealing things?

I have sympathy for both of them, and also for neither of them. TBH both of em seem like lowlifes. That's what's wrong with society, people killing people for stuff, and people not respecting other peoples' property.

[edit on 25-7-2009 by Donnie Darko]

Originally posted by ninecrimes


If a person comes into your home, unarmed, and you shoot him... that's murder?

Wow... that's a new concept to me.

(I'd blow his brains all over my walls)

Of course it's murder! Well, it depends - if you don't know if they're armed or not, it's not murder, but if they bolt back and run out, and you shoot them out of anger even though it's obvious they're not gonna hurt you, that's definitely second-degree murder.