I'm healthy but became a UK Swine flu case in 15 easy clicks & got a code for Tamiflu-read the Q's

National Pandemic Flu Service

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The purpose of this service

This service will assess the patient’s symptoms and, if required, provide an authorisation number, which can be used to collect antivirals from a local Antiviral Collection Point.

This service is only for people with high temperature and other symptoms which are likely to be caused by swine flu.

You can get more information about flu symptoms from www.nhs.uk and the Swine Flu Information Line on 0800 1 513 513.

If you have severe symptoms which are not like flu you should contact your GP or call NHS Direct on 0845 4647 in England, NHS 24 on 08454 24 24 24 in Scotland or NHS Direct Wales on 0845 4647.

What you will need to use this service

To use this service you will need the following information about the patient:

* Their date of birth
* Their current symptoms
* Their history of any serious medical conditions
* Their home address including postcode

You will also need a pen and paper to write down information we give you.

If you do not have all of these, please go and get them before carrying on with the service.

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I confirm that I am:

* currently located in the UK;
* concerned that I may be suffering from flu; or
* acting on behalf of someone who may be suffering from flu.

Please do not proceed beyond this point unless you comply with the above. Misuse of this service could lead to prosecution.

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Thank you.

Before we begin the assessment for flu, we need to check if the patient needs an emergency ambulance.

Does the patient have any of the following symptoms:

* Are they unresponsive or unconscious, floppy, limp, or impossible or difficult to wake?
* Do they have a new breathing problem that is so severe that they are unable to finish a sentence? Or if they are a child under 16, are they breathing irregularly, grunting, or is their chest collapsing in as they breathe?
* Do they feel that their throat is closing off and they are unable to swallow saliva or drooling excessively?
* Does their skin feel icy cold and wet to touch or is there a change in colour – blue or greyness – particularly around the lips, mouth, fingers or toes?
* Are they having a fit now?

* YES/NO

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* Does the patient have clusters of tiny purple spots or a rash that looks like bleeding or bruising under the skin?

* Or, despite any pain they may have, is the patient completely unable to move their chin down to touch their chest?

* YES/NO

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What is the patient's date of birth?
Patient Date of Birth

Day required/Month required/Year required.

If you do not know the exact date of birth of the patient, please enter an estimated date of birth but ensure that the year of birth is correct.

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Please enter the patient's details.
Patient Details
First Name:
Last Name:
Sex:
* Male
* Female

Address:
Post Code:

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Does the patient attend a specialist renal or kidney clinic for the care of renal or kidney failure?

* NO/YES

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Thank you.

We will now check if the patient is suffering from flu.

Does the patient have a high temperature and at least two of the following symptoms?

* Widespread muscle and joint aches
* A cough
* Headache
* Blocked or runny nose
* Sore throat
* Vomiting
* Watery diarrhoea
* Cannot stop crying (only children)
* NO/YES

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Has the patient had flu symptoms for 7 days or less?

* More than 7 days
* 7 days or less
* NO/YES

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Have these flu symptoms been previously treated with Tamiflu or Relenza?

* NO/YES

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Is the patient also experiencing any of these additional symptoms?

* Breathing much faster than normal (particularly children)

* Sharp or stabbing chest pain on breathing

* Thick, yellow, green, brown or bloody phlegm

* Breathing difficulties, for example, unable to complete a sentence, (or for children chest skin sucked between ribs when breathing)

* Uncharacteristic changes in behaviour such as drowsiness, new confusion or appearing terrified (particularly children)

* NO/YES

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Is the patient:

* Having treatment for immune deficiency

* On immune suppressant drugs such as regular steroids, methotrexate, azathioprine or cyclophosphamide

* Having, or recently completed, treatment for cancer, leukaemia or lymphoma

* A transplant recipient

* HIV positive

* NO/YES

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Does the patient have any of the following underlying conditions?


* Chronic lung disease or asthma which has been medically treated within the last three years
* Heart disease
* Diabetes or another metabolic disease
* Chronic liver disease
* Cystic fibrosis
* Neurological conditions such as cerebral palsy, stroke, multiple sclerosis or muscular dystrophy
* Sickle cell disease

* NO/YES

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Does the patient have any additional symptoms as well as flu, such as:

* Drinking much less than usual (less than half feeds if for a child who is bottle fed)
* Persistent vomiting
* Severe earache
* Persistent watery diarrhoea
* Markedly reduced urine output (or dry nappies for children)

* NO/YES

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This is the end of the National Pandemic Flu Service assessment.

The result of the assessment is that:

* There is important health advice for this patient (given below)

* An antiviral treatment course is authorised

* The treatment course should be collected from the Antiviral Collection Point (see instructions below)


It is recommended that the patient takes an antiviral treatment course.

This service will issue the patient with one antiviral treatment course, which is effective for the treatment of flu. This is the only course of antiviral treatment which will be authorised for that patient.

The following authorisation number must be brought to the Antiviral Collection Point in order to collect the antiviral medicine.

Please write down this number.

The authorisation number for this patient is:

T75-041VA892-3


ANTIVIRAL COLLECTION POINT INFORMATION

The patient should stay at home and have their antiviral collected by a friend or family member to minimise the spread of flu.


If the patient does not have someone to collect the antiviral on their behalf, please see the advice below:

England - Please contact a local Primary Care Trust (PCT)

Scotland - Please follow local Health Board guidance. Click here to find out how to contact your local Health Board.

Wales - Please telephone the patient’s GP if you think they have swine flu and may need antiviral treatment

Northern Ireland - Please contact your Health and Social Care Board

The person collecting the antiviral must bring proof of both their own and the patient’s identity with them to the Antiviral Collection Point. This should be one of the following:

* Birth/Marriage Certificate
* Building Society/National Saving Book
* Cheque Book
* Cheque Guarantee/Credit/Debit Card
* Child Benefit Letter
* Council Tax Payment Book
* Credit Card Statement (not older than 6 months)
* Full Driving Licence
* Healthcare Professional Registration Number and ID Card
* Military ID
* NHS Card
* Paid Utility Bill (not older than 6 months)

Please click here to see a list of Antiviral Collection Points to pick up the antiviral.

Wow, it takes a few minutes, to be confirmed as a swine flu case in the UK.

No Docter/Lab confirmation required!

This really is outrageous, if the Swine flu was as deadly as the MSM is making out, a doctors visit would surely be required, or at least lab confirmation.


[edit on 23-7-2009 by kiwifoot]

reply to post by kiwifoot


I can't put this in the OP because I ran out of room.

I also find it odd that the yes/no questions turn to no/yes questions once the questions move off of serious medical ones.

eg

Are you seriously ill? - yes/no

Have you had Tamiflu before? - no/yes

Just odd that's all.

Did you say Tamiflu? (Oseltamivir)

I will not take Antivirals, wanna know why I would rather fight the virus naturally?

WARNING : Antivirals may kill you!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Check out my research thread on the effects of Tamiflu and Relenza (Tamiflu being by far the most dangerous.)

You have been warned, it could be the last drug you ever take.

As you can see already Kiwi, there is tons of totally unscientific and dangerous activity going on here.

Incredible dangers are being covered up with outright lies, and as you pointed out, the ability to be diagnosed without even visiting a physician to conduct scientific tests is just plain dangerous as well.

People who should not be taking any drugs at all, will be having toxins like Oseltamivir pushed on them quicker than you can say "pass the buck".

And when you get hurt, you can be sure the buck will be passed.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Too true mate. It's amazing how people are panicking and rushing to be poisoned!

I assume it's Tamilfu that the code is for:

T75-041VA892-3

As it begins with a T, and the questionaire only asked if I had Tamiflu or Relenza.

Either way, I can get these drugs with no scientific confirmation, and if the flu comes back and I haven't got it now, the drugs won't be as effective (if it was life or death).

Also, the UK is handing these drugs out too easily, it's as if they want the virus to mutate and become immune to the drugs.

[edit on 23-7-2009 by kiwifoot]

lol yep, your right

as of now, from what i've read, the H1N1 is not resistant to Tamiflu yet, but there have been many cases of Other influenza that have become resistant over the past several years.

So there are strains known to have resistance already, and that is why Relenza is being stockpiled as a backup just in case.

I am willing to wager that H1N1 will gain some from of resistance to Tamiflu within 12-16months. And I am trying to be conservative with my estimates here.

It is not looking good. Sigh...what a hectic and frightening world.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Yeah, I think I had it at the beginning of the month.

I was off of work for a week, felt lousy, sore throat, runny nose, headache, cough and acheing limbs.

But it was the flu! Come on!

Sure some people are getting sick. But only a handful of people have died OF the flu, instead of WITH the flu.

I'd take the flu again over a dose of the drugs and the vaccine, any day!

[edit on 23-7-2009 by kiwifoot]

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Did you say Tamiflu? (Oseltamivir)

I will not take Antivirals, wanna know why I would rather fight the virus naturally?

WARNING : Antivirals may kill you!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Check out my research thread on the effects of Tamiflu and Relenza (Tamiflu being by far the most dangerous.)

You have been warned, it could be the last drug you ever take.

Consider yourself extremely fortunate, because many people with underlying/pre-existing conditions can only be saved through Antivirals if they miss out on the Vaccine. I myself have experienced such a case with a family member before, and any risk you might mention in regards to an Antiviral dose was far outweighed by the risk which the Virus itself (Influenza) posed to them.

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Did you say Tamiflu? (Oseltamivir)

I will not take Antivirals, wanna know why I would rather fight the virus naturally?

WARNING : Antivirals may kill you!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Check out my research thread on the effects of Tamiflu and Relenza (Tamiflu being by far the most dangerous.)

You have been warned, it could be the last drug you ever take.

Consider yourself extremely fortunate, because many people with underlying/pre-existing conditions can only be saved through Antivirals if they miss out on the Vaccine. I myself have experienced such a case with a family member before, and any risk you might mention in regards to an Antiviral dose was far outweighed by the risk which the Virus itself (Influenza) posed to them.

In a matter of life or death, and with underlying health issues, I'd take them, but without those conditions I would really stear clear. I know your family member probably didn't have that choice, but I hope he/she came through it. And as long as they did, whatever the anti-virals did is more than worth it.

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Please do not proceed beyond this point unless you comply with the above. Misuse of this service could lead to prosecution.

I take it your not worried about anybody on this board reporting you for misuse of the service then.

Also I guess some people are going to diagnose themselves just to make sure they've got some 'lovely safe govt approved Tamiflu' before it runs out

So many people are going to apply for their Tamiflu, just incase it runs out.

What about the people that will get theirs and take it now, even though they don't have symptoms, because they think it might prevent them getting it. Totally ridiculous idea but I've already heard of people discussing it which is really concerning because they'll only be allowed one lot and what happens if they do really need it, a few weeks or months from now?

Then there's yet another group of people that will plan to exploit the system and get as many as they can to sell on.

The whole idea of just dishing this out over the phone, or on the internet, is absurd - people will look up the symptoms to make sure they answer the questions correctly. It's also going to mess with the numbers of how many suspected cases there are. Numbers are about to skyrocket on suspected cases just based on how many tamiflu prescriptions are given out!

At the moment, I'm more concerned about how many people will be ill from this flu, and not able to work, rather than how many are dying. Britain has been saying possibly 1 in 3 off work and that could be a bigger disaster than the actual direct death rate from this flu.

No Tamiflu or vaccines for us, at the moment, but I've got 3 children and if 1 of them really needed the anti-viral then I'd take my chances. I don't agree with people saying 'no never' because until you're in the situation, how do you know? Would you really watch your child suffering and possibly dying and not take the opportunity to help/save them? As a baby my youngest son had pneumonia and I didn't think twice about the medication he was given because he desperately needed it or would have died anyway. In that position I chose to take my chances with the medication and I'd do the same with this flu if push comes to shove. I sincerely hope we don't need anything, for this flu, but I certainly wouldn't hesitate if the situation ever does require it.



[edit on 24-7-2009 by Maya00a]

this whole thing is really starting to p@ss me off. The panic caused by the media has led to every hypocondriac and worried parent to get on the phone and order up the tamiflu. The meds are being dished out by a bunch telephone operators with no medical experience whatsoever.

i'm considered in the high risk group and feel that I have to fight for these drugs against perfectly healthy people, who if got the flu would be fine after a few days. I may not be so lucky with a weakened immune system caused by years of chemotherapy. Ive survived cancer for 7 years, I dont want to be a swine flu statistic

[edit on 24-7-2009 by woodwardjnr]

We were all talking about this yesterday and there have been so many mixed messages!

If it is serious then it should be treated as so - and if not, then what a great opportunity to use this as a "practice run" to check that all our systems and procedures will work in a real situation.

The spread could have been slowed and contained if action had been taken weeks/months ago.

Swine flu cases were in all the schools throughout the UK and this close to the end of the school year, they could all have been closed a few weeks early. As many parents will know, school is a really effective place for illnesses to spread quickly.

Travel should have been restricted and some kind of quarantine put in place.

I can't comment from the workplace point of view, but I guess people will either use it an excuse not to go in (when they are not ill), or go in (when they are ill) and spread it further.

Medically trained people only should be the ones to diagnose/treat/prescribe treatment for swine flu. I believe it can only be confirmed by a blood test and not some questionnaire and now we do not have any idea as to who has it and who doesnt and how it is spreading.

This website only encourages stockpiling, misdiagnosis, and abuse of the system which will mean that the people that will really benefit will be losing out.

I think that swine flu may be a real threat for a healthy person (and I apreciate that there are people who are already at risk). This will emerge in the winter with our annual flu season. This will either be due over/misuse of tamiflu which will render the treatment inaffective or because so many people will be less immune/already have general flu.

That or there will be a problem with the vaccine.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Wood - I hope that you will be OK. I really feel for the people who are suffering and are at risk. The media has not helped the situation at all and has probably made it worse.

Originally posted by Maya00a
It's also going to mess with the numbers of how many suspected cases there are. Numbers are about to skyrocket on suspected cases just based on how many tamiflu prescriptions are given out!

[edit on 24-7-2009 by Maya00a]

Very true, the newspapers today are saying that flu cases in the UK have doubled to 100,000 in the past week. I'd like to bet the vast majority of them don't have swine flu!

reply to post by kiwifoot


jeeeeeeeeze ... by the time you type all that in about the person being nonresponsive and having difficulty breathing .. they could be dead. I'd just be going to the hospital ...

Some of you posters here are speaking as if Tamiflu is a cure.

Sorry Antivirals do not cure anything. They "slow down" the virus spread, SOMETIMES not always!!

However, those people taking the antiviral without even having the flu, are actually not being idiots.

Tamiflu and Relenza are both known to have prophylactic qualities.

Please research these chemicals a little more. Thanks

Originally posted by johnb
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Please do not proceed beyond this point unless you comply with the above. Misuse of this service could lead to prosecution.

I take it your not worried about anybody on this board reporting you for misuse of the service then.

Also I guess some people are going to diagnose themselves just to make sure they've got some 'lovely safe govt approved Tamiflu' before it runs out

Nah, I had it two weeks ago, well I assume I did as I had about %90 of those symptoms, so in a way I was being truthful ( Istill have a sore throat and slight cough), so I was being truthful!

But I think they've got better things to do than hunt me down, maybe I shoud turn myself in!

Originally posted by kiwifoot

Originally posted by johnb
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Please do not proceed beyond this point unless you comply with the above. Misuse of this service could lead to prosecution.

I take it your not worried about anybody on this board reporting you for misuse of the service then.

Also I guess some people are going to diagnose themselves just to make sure they've got some 'lovely safe govt approved Tamiflu' before it runs out

Nah, I had it two weeks ago, well I assume I did as I had about %90 of those symptoms, so in a way I was being truthful ( Istill have a sore throat and slight cough), so I was being truthful!

But I think they've got better things to do than hunt me down, maybe I shoud turn myself in!

Ya! but now you're on their shortlist of flu victims who will get the killer needle first!

Arrrgh! run for the hills!

Sorry mate! just messing with ya!

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Lol it's about now I wish I hadn't got on the wrong side of all those ATS members!

They're surely going to turn me in!

You know I didn't even see that part, hm, in the UK it's about 2 years for murder, so misuse of the flu service, that's about 10-15 I reckon.

This country is amazing sometimes, not in a good way either.

[edit on 24-7-2009 by kiwifoot]