Buzz Aldrin Reveals Existence of Monolith on Mars Moon!!!

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AND....notice how HE is getting all the attention. No one seems to remember the men from the other Apollos, huh?

Could it be that 'Buzz' just either likes the attention, or is making a living/augmenting his income from it?

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Im sure he has a few more friends in higher places within NASA than we give him credit for.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
AND....notice how HE is getting all the attention. No one seems to remember the men from the other Apollos, huh?

Could it be that 'Buzz' just either likes the attention, or is making a living/augmenting his income from it?

LOL It's one thing to see this argument used against a "nobody" coming forward to say something, but Buzz is already famous. It's a weak argument either way, no different than you putting forth your own conspiracy theory to cover up for something that is already pretty much explicitly stated by Buzz.

You don't seriously think you know all the same things about space as someone like Buzz Aldrin, do you? Whether he ever went to the Moon, or just went to space, or whatever happened, consider that there really ARE things you don't know, that would be dangerous to tell many people, but are in fact true.

We've hardly ever been off of this globe and you seem like you already know what is and isn't out there. Really?

reply to post by zorgon


Why would a science adviser for a company trying to develop anti-grav, or the CEO of a company making rocket motors have secret inside information regarding an alien-built object on Phobos?

Was David Thompson (the CEO of "Orbital Services") told about this secret information also?

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
I like Buzz, and I 'm glad he's trying to get people excited in human space exploration -- but he doesn't necessarily have any additional knowledge about this object on Phobos that we on the internet do not have.

How do you know that?

The arrogance of some of you people is astounding. You must think you know it all with your internet connections, huh?

If anyboy watched the remake of the space landing since they lost the original tapes its called (MOON SHOT) on history channel
Buzz seen something when they got up there, thats why he cool with me because he said something.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by Crakeur
it's cut off but he seems to be saying that there's a structure that is not man made - who put it there? the universe put it there. there are those that will say god put it there.

he doesn't say it was fabricated by intelligent beings or life of any kind.

That's the thing... he never mentions something other than "the Universe" or "God" but he does ask "who put it there?" as if it should be a question for humanity.

In the end, as I watch this, it occurs to me this is in the vein of getting people excited about space exploration in general. So maybe this is a phantasm of a carrot if you catch my drift.

But then I still go back to that part that says "When people find out about that..."

How come we haven't found out about that yet? I mean if Buzz knows... how come we don't?

You asked if Buzz knows, how come we don't? Well, I would say that there are many people out there who are astronauts, politicians, and world leaders that know quite a bit about information that has not, and will not be released. There's no way that you actually believe that the government or their affiliates share everything that they know with the public...I've seen your other posts, you're too smart for that. As far as we know, that could have been a slip up on his part, and that the information is still supposed to be classified. Or, maybe it was an intentional plugging of information. Either way, there's always going to be plenty of information that stays out of the loop of the general public.

Originally posted by refuse_orders
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Im sure he has a few more friends in higher places within NASA than we give him credit for.

I'm sure he does have friends at NASA. Does that necessarily mean that those friends are "in on" this secret -- or does it mean that, even if they are, they would necessarily tell Buzz Aldrin about it.

Perhaps, but perhaps not. My point is that just because he was an astronaut does not necessarily make him privy to all the secret information that may exist about aliens.

It seems people are too quick to say "Buzz thinks so, and he was an astronaut, therefore it must be true because TPTB tell Buzz everything".

I don't like to jump to those conclusions.



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Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
I like Buzz, and I 'm glad he's trying to get people excited in human space exploration -- but he doesn't necessarily have any additional knowledge about this object on Phobos that we on the internet do not have.

How do you know that?

The arrogance of some of you people is astounding. You must think you know it all with your internet connections, huh?

I don't "Know"...that's why I used the term "necessarily", as in "he doesn't necessarily have any additional knowledge"

I "don't know" if Buzz really meant that this was definitely ET-made. Furthermore, I really "don't know" that even if Buzz did mean that, does that mean he has inside knowledge? That's why I will be neutral to this possibility until I get more information.

However, as it stands now, nothing Buzz said would make me think that the object is definitely ET-made.

I'm sorry if my arrogance of "being neutral on this subject until I learn more" upsets you.

...and by the way you attacked me, it seems that you DO "know" for certain that Buzz Aldrin has inside information about this object being made by ETs. Can you give me the specifics as to why you know this.



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Originally posted by Solomons
I think he is just trying to stir up some passion in people about manned missions to exotic moon or planets in our solar system...not many young people are.Even if he is lying or atleast putting little idea's in peoples heads to garner attention.We wont be having a manned mission and building bases anytime soon,nobody will be able to call him up on telling fibs.

I'm not attacking you here, however, I have to ask this question. Why on earth would a highly educated, aged, experienced, and gifted astronaut/pilot decide to lie or tarnish his name on national television? Sure, he may be attempting to spruce up the public's interest in space exploration, but, I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT HE HAS FABRICATED SOMETHING FOR THE SAKE OF CREATING ATTENTION.

First and foremost, most elderly people have given up the idea of lying for any reason. Who are they going to impress, and why should it matter to them? Skeptics should really leave this one alone. They are putting in question a man who has been to SPACE and has done more in his lifetime than we will accomplish in 5. There's not a single skeptic that can debunk an experience like that because they themselves do not have the first hand experience to question his credibility. And, I'm not saying that YOU are putting his experience into question, but, I feel the need to address this issue to the many others that will try.

Just keep in mind that this guy has studied and flown almost every major aircraft for the airforce during his heyday, was an engineer, graduated from MIT, has a PHD, went to space, and was the second man on the moon. He has nothing to prove by telling a lie. People really need to start giving credibility to others who have proven themselves and quit brushing off new ideas just because it does not fit into their world view, regardless of the topic.

I do apologize if my statement sounded harsh, but, I've noticed this trend where skeptics ignorantly attack something that they do not agree with, without foundation for their arguments.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


I love Buzz, and what he says makes sense. Man can really benefit from the moon/space program.
The monolith thing is one example, but lets not forget about Iapetus too!
Iapetus

I was just reading a an article recently about how many of our old astronaut heroes that landed on the moon turned to alcoholism and depression. Part of this was because of the frustrations on how the moon program pretty much just quit on them and hasn't gone anywhere since.

anyway good find, I wonder what that structure is.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry

Originally posted by Solomons
I think he is just trying to stir up some passion in people about manned missions to exotic moon or planets in our solar system...not many young people are.Even if he is lying or atleast putting little idea's in peoples heads to garner attention.We wont be having a manned mission and building bases anytime soon,nobody will be able to call him up on telling fibs.

I'm not attacking you here, however, I have to ask this question. Why on earth would a highly educated, aged, experienced, and gifted astronaut/pilot decide to lie or tarnish his name on national television? Sure, he may be attempting to spruce up the public's interest in space exploration, but, I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT HE HAS FABRICATED SOMETHING FOR THE SAKE OF CREATING ATTENTION.

If you don't mind me replying to this also...

Even if Buzz doesn't know himself whether or not this object is ET-made, what exactly would Buzz be fabricating?

He didn't say anything definitive about this object being ET-made -- "structure" was a common word used by the Moon astronauts to describe natural moon features...and obviously the word "monolith" doesn't mean artificial.

He was simply giving reasons why the general public would be excited about spaceflight (in general) and a trip to Phobos (in particular)...The possibility of there being an artificially made object on Phobos would be exciting for the general public.



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Originally posted by 0123210
Once again, Buzz under Booze was.

Stop dreaming about Arthur C. Clarke's blasphemies and please take your pills, Buzzy.

Here is yet another member who is putting Buzz Aldrin's credibility into question.

It amazes me that someone can be highly educated, highly decorated, very experienced, and has done more than most of us combined and yet, some joe from the styx feels that he somehow has eclipsed what Buzz has accomplished with an ignorant statement brewed within their own cynically developed, ignorantly motivated, self-made and self-contained box of reality.

The day you walk on the moon is the day that you can pass judgment on Buzz Aldrin. Until then, maybe you should consider taking YOUR regular meds, because you're definitely off kilter.







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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
TO make things even more interesting I went looking for the pictures of this monolith.. and so far have found this page which has all the pictures removed...

www.vgl.org...

The next time that happens try to use The Internet Archive's Wayback Machine.

You use the URL in the search box and it will show, if it has any copies, all version it has on its archives.

In this case it shows this, and you just have to select the version you want.

I think people are being way too hard on Buzz and others that tell about their experiences, and sightings, that they can't explain.

Think about how upset people on ATS get when they are ridiculed, tormented, and/or made fun of because of their beliefs/viewpoints. And we can all hide behind some silly computer screen!

These people have reputations that, in most cases, they have spent a lifetime creating. I, personally, think it would be very difficult to come out in a public forum and speak about such a controversial issue.

When I listen to these interviews I always focus on what their body language tells me before I even listen to a word they say. You can usually pick up on which ones lie right away simply by how many times they look up and away from the interviewer or camera.

With more and more people freely speaking out of late, maybe we are getting closer to disclosure.

I really don't care whether the gov't voluntarily discloses the information or is so bombarded with questions/pictures/videos that they can do nothing but address it.

Sometimes the most telling information comes from their silence. It's shaping up to be an interesting summer!

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Could it be that 'Buzz' just either likes the attention, or is making a living/augmenting his income from it?

So now you attack Buzz Aldrin's credibility? You know you debunkers are a sad joke. It's all fine and dandy for you guys to call us 'believers' nut cases, but when someone has been out there like Ed Mitchell and Buzz Aldrin start to say things that you don't like to hear, out come the character assassinations

reply to post by internos


And some people say that there are no coincidences...

Yesterday I finally found the original image, with the resolution information included, 4.9 metres per pixel, so I think your estimate is closer to the truth.

reply to post by zorgon


Whoa, Whoa, Whoa!!!!

Avast, thar, matey!!

I was implying NO SUCH THING!! HE (Aldrin) gets most attention, I suppose, because of Apollo 11. Heck! If he can make a buck at it, more power to him!!!

This cropped up, and was on my mind, because of an Australian interview he did, where he flat told the interviewer (O'Brien???) that he didn't like to talk about 11, and the landing, unless he was compensated. I'll try to find the relevant bits...AND I am not criticising him!

Have another Lortab...


edit--

here's the transcript of the interview I mentioned:

Aldrin Interview with Kerry O'Brien

www.abc.net.au



[edit on 23 July 2009 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by harrytuttle
Buzz would have long since been retired when they discovered this object, so why in the heck would he have been informed about a "need to know only" top secret object?

What SECRET? This object was posted at ATS a year ago The images are on NASA servers

Buzz was just trying create some mystery about space exploration and went a little over board in so doing.

How the heck is that 'over board'? Heck the guy sounds like a lot more fun company that the lot of you naysayers in here

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Why would a science adviser for a company trying to develop anti-grav, or the CEO of a company making rocket motors have secret inside information regarding an alien-built object on Phobos?

Ummm so now you claim its an alien-built object on Phobos? You sure read a lot into what isn't there

I love the way this is getting twisted... ATS is not what it used to be

Well I won't bother you with the Aquila Mars trips then... might get ya all confused

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Could it be that 'Buzz' just either likes the attention, or is making a living/augmenting his income from it?

So now you attack Buzz Aldrin's credibility? You know you debunkers are a sad joke. It's all fine and dandy for you guys to call us 'believers' nut cases, but when someone has been out there like Ed Mitchell and Buzz Aldrin start to say things that you don't like to hear, out come the character assassinations

I would say that Buzz DOES like the attention -- but that in no way is an attack on his credibility. I think Buzz is very sincere in his quest to get people interested in human space exploration -- even though he likes the attention.

This video is a case of that passion to get people interested. He's simply making rhetorical points here: Is this object a natural formation? What exactly is this object?

He is pointing out that if this information is presented to the general public, then the general public may also want to answer these questions and get excited about space exploration.

Buzz is very passionate about manned spaceflight, and he is trying to get other people to be just as passionate by asking these questions.

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