To Our Single and Couple Members

I see on this board particularly quite a lot of individuals. People who are single or a couple and think that they are prepared.

If you have "everything" you need to sustain yourself, I would suggest that you step outside your box a bit now.

Men particularly are prone to this thought process of, well I'm never going to pair up or I'm never going to have children.

If something really did go bad fast, and quite a lot of people died or were unprepared for any length of time without supply trucks.....you are likely to find that YOU change.

Many men change at the drop of a hat when the rigth moment comes around. All of history and human endevours proves that most of you will indeed pair up eventually, and the consequences of that in a situation with no birth control methods should be obvious. Every man on the planet has probably said what you say at some point - and almost all of them have been wrong.

In danger situations, your instincts can and will take over and influence your behaviours. In a population narrowing situation, all the men and women who think that they would NEVER have children or pair up are likely - very likely - to find out that you are far more influenced by your biological imperatives than you think you are.

If you didn't catch that: When the SHTF for more than a couple of days, you are likey to find that you do pair up and you do end up having children.

If you have siblings or extended family in your region, it is possible that you will be taking in family or children who have been left without your family members to take care of them.

If you are single or coupled, and you have "prepped" yourself I would suggest that you start thinking about fleshing out what you have to accomodate the extra people you don't have in your life right now.

Some people are going to read this and come up with the usual smattering of severely self-center horsepoop dropped by the sociopaths and self-centered types. Even these people are likely to change in a significant societal change. The sociopath likes to have an audience and control, and that need to feed that internal beast will be overwhelming to these people in a bad situation. They have so many potential people to lord themselves over that the pairing of their pathology with their biological imperatives will change them.

Just think about it. You might want to start expanding what you have to accomodate what is likely to happen.

[edit on 2009/7/22 by Aeons]

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Nicely done and nicley said. I agree 100%, but their is something. When and if that happens don't just start having babies or give in. Because if you have a baby in that time, how are you going to care for it and what not. It is going to be difficult and babies in that time are not needed. They can become a distraction and could get everyone in trouble. Its up to men and women to understand that they must fight their biological process and avoid having children, until they get settled somewhere, in a good area.

For instance, the movie Defiance was a good example, based on a true story. During WWII brothers that were Jews ran into the woods in 1941 and when it was all said and done in 1945 they saved over 1000 Jews from execution. 1000! In the woods, the brother stated that the women and men should not have children, however, that didn't last long..lol.. they were in a safe area, but the Nazi's were closing in. The baby survived, but I mean the difficulties for just one baby were astonishing. That is an awesome movie that everyone should watch. That was when the SHTF and survival was necessary.

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Aeons:

Starred and flagged, this is an excellent post, and you earned the stars and flags. As a family man now, I had not considered this angle. However, you seem to have hit it on the head. It would be a very rare may, regardless of how much of a lone-wolf type, that would not find himself acting as a father/grandfather figure.

Thank you Viking.

Myth - while I may agree with you that having a baby during such a time of duress is unwise, it is also likely. We live on a planet with more than 6 billion people, and we all live in societies with many others similar to us.

That means that we are living in a time and place where our biological imperatives are probably somewhat muted by the environment. There are many other similar copies to us around. The "fullness" off the population mutes our biological imperatives somewhat to lessen the potential for overcrowding.

This means that we are all living in a time and place where we probably don't feel the full weight of our chromosone's biological imperatives for reproduction.

If you end up being one of the one of your "type" in the area, it is quite likely that you will find that you are hard pressed to control yourself. We all will. If you find it hard to batten down the hatches on wanting to have intercourse now, imagine if your whole body turned against your common sense.

And none of us, no society on the planet right now, has any experience with that. We think that what we live with now is how we are. But that is probably not so. We have no real understanding or practice at combatting our reproductive instincts.

Those reproductive instincts are quite impressive. In times of strife and war, women have more boys. Do we choose this? No. It is probably because our bodies "know" that in times of strife and disease more men die so it is a replacement strategy. Our bodies enact basic programming to compensate, that we have no conscious awareness of.

We'll have to wait and see what happens before we go into family-minded mode.

If anything it will be better for singletons in sitx.
You'll have the settlement but also your own space to go out and hunt and 'get out there' while back at the place of gathering you can do the group-thing as well for a short amount of time until the next day begins.

The way society is now most men seem happy to be anti-man and cooped up in offices then come home to be a house husband which may entail being a hen-pecked husband

I can move to the tune of the family groove but I certainly wouldn't like it and would make a 'rubbish' husband compared to the 'caring, sharing and girly men' that most urban women prefer these days

I'm one of those guys who never wants to have kids, but yeah, if the population suddenly dropped, or things got really weird, who says I wouldn't change my mind?

Whats wrong, interesting, or unusual with changing one's mind, when conditions change?


I guess I don't see the point you're trying to make here....

If it is a total melt down and a return to technobarbirism ala "mad max";
Absolute breakdown of modern society; basic primal instincts will be all that's left.
Tribes of mobile raiders looking for resources to survive.

Attachments and encumberances such as kids will just get you killed.

It will be great!!!

I think if it's the mad max groove then you may end up with most non-survivalist singletons forming hunter/killer gangs.
The family-minded survivalists (who tend to outnumber singleton survivalists) will band together.
So kids may be a hinderance but in large groups that shelter them they won't be as vulnerable as you think.

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Funny, I wasn't thinking about making babies, rather the drive of the male role to be the protector and provider. The sexual drive would still be there, no doubt, but if one were to have a woman and children wander through, turning them away would be difficult at best. That may be my weakpoint, however.

Originally posted by Viking04
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Funny, I wasn't thinking about making babies, rather the drive of the male role to be the protector and provider. The sexual drive would still be there, no doubt, but if one were to have a woman and children wander through, turning them away would be difficult at best. That may be my weakpoint, however.

That would be many men's "weak" point.

It isn't weak - but it may be under acknowledged in the male population. And therefore unaccounted for in your plans.

Even if you do not have that, the men who are the opposite like to have people to control, lord over, fear or worship them. The potential to feed this mental demon will be probably almost as irresistable as the the need to eat.

Further - bad men seem to have a serious will to survive. More women tend to live through disasters and diseases.

Which means the men like you will get to see bad men preying on a lot of potential victims.

The men like you are likely to have women wanting to be around you.

While I am not at all a proponent of polygamy, I can see that polygamy starts in societies where there is an uneven number of men to women (usually due to war or conflict) and men have the urge to protect the women in their midst.

Men without the human predator personality, are likely to end up attracting women and not wanting to turn them away into sure problems.

(edit to add after interuption).

[edit on 2009/7/22 by Aeons]

Originally posted by WatchRider
The family-minded survivalists (who tend to outnumber singleton survivalists) will band together.
So kids may be a hinderance but in large groups that shelter them they won't be as vulnerable as you think.

Anyone that has studied Malthusian theory knows that groups in confined spaces with limited resources eventually end up eating the young.
Think It's gonna change?

Modern civilization is just a thin, temporary veneerer on a savage, cruel, barbaric, chaos loving species that is over due for a great cleansing.

[edit on 22-7-2009 by whaaa]

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I don't know man.. maybe you've been in a box all this time.

As for "pairing up", I can't even get the hunnies to say hi, much less "pair up". We're not talking Brad Pitt here...

And as for my grup and plant seeds and water stashed (not yet, but when the SHTF, I'll have everything ready), it's for me, and only me! If the hunnies want a taste, then they'll have to know the magic words

I'll be chillin' with the video games on a big screen OLED TV, with the solar cells on the roof, and the wind power system outside the bullet proof windows. Not even the aliens will be able to touch this

I don't understand.

I'm prepared and down for anything.
I don't care about what will happen. My only real concern is if NOTHING happens (which I find quite improbable).

What do you have to say to me?

Originally posted by Geladinhu
I don't understand.

I'm prepared and down for anything.
I don't care about what will happen. My only real concern is if NOTHING happens (which I find quite improbable).

What do you have to say to me?

If you are prepared for you, are you also prepared with enough supplies to stretch to two or three people?

That's what I mean.

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I'm prepared to die.
So I guess I'm prepared to kill.
Is that what you mean?
Or am I totally off-track here?


I have no supplies except for my will and my reason.
That's enough for me, couldn't care less about the future since I know it is death.

And if I need supplies...I guess you will have some for me!

edit: Just kidding, by the way. No need to be afraid. I would kindly ask for help. And if nobody is willing to help...I guess I'll die of hunger. Or catch some squirrels!

[edit on 22-7-2009 by Geladinhu]

Originally posted by liquidsmoke206
I'm one of those guys who never wants to have kids, but yeah, if the population suddenly dropped, or things got really weird, who says I wouldn't change my mind?

Whats wrong, interesting, or unusual with changing one's mind, when conditions change?


I guess I don't see the point you're trying to make here....

Just that if you are the type to have supplies and expectations for such an event, you may want to expand your plans to take into account this possibiliity.

Originally posted by MegaCurious
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I don't know man.. maybe you've been in a box all this time.

As for "pairing up", I can't even get the hunnies to say hi, much less "pair up". We're not talking Brad Pitt here...

There's no spice like hunger.

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Exactly, there is no adequate preparation for anarchy, chaos, barbaric savagery, rape, pillaging, dog eat dog, scenario.

Only the mobile, strong and ruthless will survive. Holding on to old ideas and living in the past will be obsolete. The new barbarians will show no mercy to the weak or the stupid clinging to their antiquated morals and prayers.

Let the blood flow!!

Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by Geladinhu

 

Exactly, there is no adequate preparation for anarchy, chaos, barbaric savagery, rape, pillaging, dog eat dog, scenario.

Only the mobile, strong and ruthless will survive. Holding on to old ideas and living in the past will be obsolete. The new barbarians will show no mercy to the weak or the stupid clinging to their antiquated morals and prayers.

Let the blood flow!!

I'll shoot you first. Thank you for the warning.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by Geladinhu

 

Exactly, there is no adequate preparation for anarchy, chaos, barbaric savagery, rape, pillaging, dog eat dog, scenario.

Only the mobile, strong and ruthless will survive. Holding on to old ideas and living in the past will be obsolete. The new barbarians will show no mercy to the weak or the stupid clinging to their antiquated morals and prayers.

Let the blood flow!!

I'll shoot you first. Thank you for the warning.

I don't care! I would rather die on my feet than a coward with women and children, huddled around some icon preying for Mercy and deliverance.
No Rules, No Limits, No excuses.

[edit on 22-7-2009 by whaaa]