NASA Astrobiologists Debunk Aliens and UFOs In One Paragraph = Unscientific

If someone from NASA told us it was Wednesday I
would check my calendar.
Why should we take any notice of what NASA has to say,
they have spun lies since their inception,while gladly
stealing peoples taxes to fund those very lies!
They are traitors to human truth and knowledge!
James Oberg anyone?

I can agree with him on the alien side of things,there is NO evidence of alien life,not a single shred.But there are many many cases that even the military put down to unknown when it comes to ufo's.Then we have the incident in belgium where we get a clear as day picture of a *UFO*...sure its probably military but its still unknown as of yet.This guy seems like too much of an *academic*...the sort of people blinded by their own view of self importance ...you get alot of them from all different professions whether it be financial,scientific,media etc etc

you do realize that your calling half the people on here a liar right....nice....good luck with that man....

reply to post by CidCaldensfey


Here's a handy way to give your theory some abuse- I mean- testing:

I have just replied to your post. Yet, all you have is words and a name. How do you know I am even real. I may be a) figment of your imagination somehow manifest. b) A complex set of algorithms in a renegade computer, here to confuse you. c) You're hallucinating this whole reply (time to get psychiatric help, my friend! ) d) You're hallucinating this whole thread, and possibly ATS... heck, you could actually be in a little rubber cubicle in the fetal position! e) *I* could be in a little rubber cubicle in the fetal position!

How do you know? There's no proof..... Even your 5 senses can fool you, properly stimulated......

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One of the things muddying 'proof' and pictures is the amazing amount of hoaxers. You have the Mexico hoaxes running rampant, and anyone with a computer and time on their hands can d/l a literal plethora of 3d and art applications that can do almost anything.

Then- you have the incredible amount of stories, anecdotes and other reports of MIB, military officers, and the like harassing people, taking pictures, ANY solid proof (like metal, ect), and making these people look like complete and utter fools. And/ or scaring them outright.

Then, you have the media, who makes anyone who says or shows anything out of the ordinary look like complete and total morons. Nothing says 'what an idiot' like a smirking newscaster cracking wise.

In short, the lack of proof cited by this 'scientist' (or scientit, if you want a British insult) is caused by his very own bosses (the govt and media, run by the govt). As someone who has actually SEEN crap that I sure am not gonna put down as 'swamp gas' or a frigging balloon, because it simply could not have been- I think he's fulla doggy poo.

Originally posted by wylekat
How do you know? There's no proof..... Even your 5 senses can fool you, properly stimulated......

Sure there is... we just looked up your internet viewing history in the NSA computer. They have a complete file on your IP and know where you live. That porn site you visited last night was a CIA setup... you have been had I suggest you do a complete scan for hidden 'bugs'

Emphasis on this quote: "Have aliens visited Earth? Are UFOs real?
No"...

Some scientist. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Originally posted by fapython
Well in our galaxy alone there is a planet for every grain of sand on planet earth. Now on our planet alone there is millions of different life forms living here. A little odd that there is only life on one planet and none other. So in saying that there is no alien life out there, is really just a slap to the face of common sense.

Thats beyond the point.

We exist. Do the camels on the 5'th planet from the 72'nd sun around the corner know we exist?

Thats if you can call them camels...

Point is, he didnt say there is no life beyond us. Thats insane. Just that there is no evidence that they fly here to visit us.

Personally I think we have a lot yet more to know about where we live before we can really know.

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*insert loud raspberry here* I wasn't looking at those sites last.....nigh- Ahem.

He seems to not think there's ANY proof- so by his standards, not even my putting up a reply to his post could actually BE proof. It'd be like me denying I have a cat. I feed him, put up with him landing on my lap- but denying I own one would be ludicrous. Likewise, UFO pics by respected, honest people and reports from respected, honest people doesn't mean they are all seeing things and their cameras hallucinate. Not to mention not everyone and their mother are hoaxers, either.

Kinda makes ya wonder- besides the smart alec kids who do this for kicks- who else hoaxes? Because every day, More and more, I think the Military (Not just the US, either) is putting out hoaxes left and right...

I don't have a reply to the reality thing you posted earlier. I already encountered this -years- ago in high school when an English teacher of mine tried to get me to explain what is real. I miss him

But seriously, do you really think the military has time to waste on hoaxing things? The United States is fighting a war on two fronts right now while keeping an eye on other nations to ensure the survival of the government. Considering the current financial status of the U.S. government, it seems really unlikely they are behind hoaxes.

Originally posted by BrnBdry

Originally posted by ufo reality
The photos that are posted on the Internet are mostly fakes, and no one has ever produced an artifact or any other tangible scientific evidence of UFOs or aliens.

Mostly fakes? Well even HE doesn't by his own words. Otherwise he would't have said "mostly".

Mostly fakes does not imply otherwise real. it implies otherwise misidentified.

This is how things start, a quote taken out of context leads to mass hysteria, and the remainders after the fires are doused, keep reaching! Ahhh...

Also, a PR bloke from Nasa is not the best source for truth. Not by a long shot.

We will never know. But I do believe someone or something comes here, maybe not from a distance but from elsewhere... as it were.

reply to post by CidCaldensfey

It really is unscientific to spend time researching something which, for the most part, doesn't exist.

For the "most part" doesn't exist? So what would you consider "for the most part"? Do you disregard the thousands of legitimate unexplained cases, hundreds of whistleblowers, thousands of abductees, millions of witnesses to UFOs?

I am sure they said your quote in the past about things like gravity, x-rays, radio, heliocentric Earth, etc, etc.



As far as the NASA statement goes....Well as far as a mainstream scientific look on the subject is concerned, that would be a fair statement on the lack of 'solid' evidence. I have no issues with what they said based on an empirical outlook.

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Originally posted by Ha`la`tha
Also, a PR bloke from Nasa is not the best source for truth. Not by a long shot

So your saying NASA PR agents don't give us the truth? I can agree with that

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I agree with you for the most part...oops...but

I think he couldve answered the question without the introductory "No"
There is a huge difference in saying there's no evidence to support and saying something doesn't exist. He contradicts himself in the same sentence. Empirically, I disagree with that answer. Again...some scientist.

Edit: In thinking about this further, it really takes some hardcore investigating for a scientist to determine causality....even with overwhelming evidence, some fear answering yes or no...surprising that they would do so here, but considering the source and the issue...not really.

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Some guy (no matter if the most ignorant in the world, no matter if some genius) who dismiss the existence of UFOs as some bunch of BS is just some ignorant that not even deserves my attention, but THIS case is a little more complicated, starting from the question, which is the real issue of the whole topic:
such a question (and there's no need to be some rocket scientist to get it) needs to be splitted in two parts.

Part # 1: Have aliens visited Earth?

My personal short reply would be that sadly, there are not conclusive proofs that aliens visited Earth (and if someone would be able to prove me wrong then i would be the happiest guy in the world).


Part # 2: Are UFOs real?

My personal short reply would be that yes, UFOs are a REAL phenomenon, studied, confirmed, in several cases recorded, multiple witnessed, radar tracked, even catched by fighters: a lil to much for being just something that can be debunked in one, two ten, hundreds paragraphs: "they" had all the paragraphs that they wanted in order to explain cases like the story of JAL 1628, the RB-47 UFO Encounter, the belgian triangle UFO wave, The Coyne incident, the 1976 Tehran UFO incident ... and there's A LOT of more examples that i could provide.

OR

Ask an astrobiologist what happened to Frederick Valentich: if he can dismiss the whole UFO phenomenon in one paragraph, then one line should be more than enough, rrrright?
If i have some issues with my electric system, then i don't call some baker to fix it.
A serious UFOs research team should be composed by people trained in Biology, Astrobiology, Astronomy, Maths, Physics, Physical optics, Engineering, Military engineering, Aeronautic engineering, Aerospace engineering, and a lot, and i mean a lot of people trained in more branches:
to this, add Reason, Logic and Common sense.
It would be some GRAT team, IMHO.

The point, in my humble opinion, is that the guy who selected the quotes for the FAQ page did NOT take seriously what he was doing, and forgot to add that one thing is to study, know, even teach astrobiology, another one is to know what are the UNSOLVED case:
basically he mixed up all together in one paragraph, and the result is quite unsatisfactory, not just for the "believers" side, but for everyone who take this phenomenon seriously, including scientists, including even former NASA (but NEVER forget that NASA is not the only one space agency in the world) scientists, and even including the most open-mindend skeptics.

OK, some guy C&P that on their "Ask and astrobiologist" FAQ page, but that is not to be considered the actual NASA take on UFOs.
Just my two NOT NASA €. cents

Originally posted by internos
Part # 1: Have aliens visited Earth?

My personal short reply would be that sadly, there are not conclusive proofs that aliens visited Earth (and if someone would be able to prove me wrong then i would be the happiest guy in the world).

I highly recommend you watch Ships of Light - he Carlos Diaz Experience.

the response from the NASA astrobiologist seemed very very shallow.
You would hope the answer would have more finese.

i dont think this guy got enough sleep the night before, either that or he was arguing with his spouse or something.

Originally posted by CidCaldensfey
But seriously, do you really think the military has time to waste on hoaxing things?

No the Military doesn't. I find the military very forthcoming with info (that isn't outright classified) just by asking... like the OTHER tether satellite that flew a month after STS75

But NASA? Well lets just say NASA is very good at story telling

Here is a prime example

A symposium by Dr Jim Garvin one of NASA's 'top' scientists



Here are two slides from the presentation... Titles are mine

"In your face..."



"The Artifact and the Fossil"



Since NASA was not kind enough to provide images on those two photos, ArMaP and I dug around and located them, only to find no artifact, and no fossil, though the RAT tool on the rover did drill on the fossil rock

www.thelivingmoon.com...

So yeah I find it very easy to believe NASA 'makes up stories'

Like "Moon Fountains" Sundet rays they knew about since Surveyor

and "Moon Storms" raging levitating dust storms electrostatically charged that follow the terminator

The United States is fighting a war on two fronts right now while keeping an eye on other nations to ensure the survival of the government.

Oh good grief such disinfo We ARE NOT AT WAR with Iraq... its called Operation Iraqi Freedom... we are merely blitzing them into the stone age to roust out some bad dudes and now we are stuck because if we leave they will collapse into civil war

Considering the current financial status of the U.S. government, it seems really unlikely they are behind hoaxes.Text

Well then were are all those missing trillions going? If the US Government is in as bad a state as you claim...

9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon The DAY BEFORE 911



McKinney Grills Rumsfeld Fiscal Budget Year 2006



Alan Grayson: Is Anyone Minding the Store at the Federal Reserve?



Video: Federal Reserve Cannot Account for $9 Trillion
moneynews.newsmax.com...

That is an awful lot of black budget bucks



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Originally posted by hermantinkly

Originally posted by internos
Part # 1: Have aliens visited Earth?

My personal short reply would be that sadly, there are not conclusive proofs that aliens visited Earth (and if someone would be able to prove me wrong then i would be the happiest guy in the world).

I highly recommend you watch Ships of Light - he Carlos Diaz Experience.

Not familiar with that...what conslusive proof awaits this rental? Does Carlos have something we don't know about? Not being sarcastic...really...?

Originally posted by CidCaldensfey
How do you even know there is evidence to begin with? Did you function at a crashed UFO? Or perhaps, you have a friend who works for NASA who told you the tapes were confiscated? Exactly how do you know there is any evidence to begin with? If anything, I believe you are under the assumption they are hiding something when in reality there isn't anything to hide.

How do you know NASA is hiding things?

by the very astronauts themselves!...there have been many a recording of a SLIPPED TOUGUE nature, that you cannot discount them. and the actual airline pilot sightings that are in the hundreds, written into official reports. and why the government cover-up of ...what...fictious evidence?
c'mon...this is not even logical, or reasonable.

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