Definite Proof the Apollo Landing Pictures are Fake!!!!!!

LOL!!! Look at earth rise from the moon.

www.skyimagelab.com...

Too bad when the moon rotates, the same face always faces the earth.


The sea of tranquility faces the earth.

www.allaboutspace.com...


Here's the "earth rise" from the apollo 11 mission again.


Fastforward to 2m08 seconds






[edit on 21-7-2009 by American_Soviets]



Fixed vid and removed 'all caps' from title

[edit on 21/7/09 by masqua]

edit: Forgot to add that apollo 11 landed on the sea of tranquility, which always faces earth.

en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 21-7-2009 by American_Soviets]

The url contained a malformed video id. But the linked page on the moon was nice.

Ok the video is working now and I would just like to point out that the orbiter is going around the moon in an orbit. That provides the illusion of earth rise. The earth rise was not shot from a stationary spot on the ground. Notice the curvature of the surface of the moon.

[edit on 7-21-2009 by groingrinder]

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Yeah, it's one of their most popular pictures. Too bad that's impossible to take from the sea of tranquility, since it always faces earth. The earth should be overhead, not near the horizon.

reply to post by American_Soviets

Too bad when the moon rotates, the same face always faces the earth.

OK....so far, so good.

I'll play along....huh???

Are you trying to say that a series of photos taken from the orbiting CM "Columbia" by Michael Collins of the Earth are somehow "faked" because the Moon rotates with only one hemisphere facing Earth??

I'm not catching your drift, here.....

edit: I just noticed how poor my sentence, above, is!!!

"Michael Collins of the Earth", indeed! Where else would he be from???



[edit on 21 July 2009 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by American_Soviets

Yeah, it's one of their most popular pictures. Too bad that's impossible to take from the sea of tranquility, since it always faces earth.

OH....NOW I see your confusion.

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Look at these pics in sequence...notice the altitude above the Moon. Notice the Moon's terrain changes, as the spacecraft orbits.....

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Well, please explain to me how I'm wrong. I'll be more than ecstatic to realize I'm a fool, and everyone else is right. Plug me back into the matrix.

reply to post by weedwhacker


Yeah, so? The landscape shouldn't change. More proof the pictures are forged. And the earth should still be overhead, because the sea of tranquility faces the earth, period.

reply to post by American_Soviets

The landscape shouldn't change.

Ah, young Padawan. You have much learning, still, to do....yessssss.

I will allow you time, to review your thread, and contemplate.....

Originally posted by American_Soviets


Well, please explain to me how I'm wrong. I'll be more than ecstatic to realize I'm a fool, and everyone else is right. Plug me back into the matrix.

We are currently unable to plug you back into the matrix because " The URL contained a malformed video ID".


Edit to add: two smiley faces.
That should do it.

[edit on 21-7-2009 by UmbraSumus]

reply to post by weedwhacker


I figured it out. Thanks.

[edit on 21-7-2009 by American_Soviets]

Another thing in this is that apparently the earth isn't rotating at least in this earth rise part. Anytime the spaceshuttle or ISS films the earth great movement is seen on camera rather quickly. Now a moon that is many millions of miles from the earth orbiting in it's own orbit should see a change (even if slightly) in the positions of continents or clouds.

reply to post by ExPostFacto


Ummm.....two things.

The Apollo is orbiting the Moon very quickly....that series of photos I posted were taken within a matter of a few minutes, far less than one hour. You just won't see the Earth rotate much in that short a timespan, now will you?

Number two, as to the photos from LEO...the ISS and Shuttle are moving rapidly, so the Earth isn't really rotating under them (well it is, but just as slowly as always) they are moving quite rapidly over the Earth's surface...about 90 minutes per orbit.

Capiche?

edit...almost missed this:

Now a moon that is many millions of miles from the earth orbiting

Our Moon is about 240,000 miles away.

(We really need an Astronomy thread on ATS...OH!! We have one!!!)
Here it is: www.abovetopsecret.com...



[edit on 21 July 2009 by weedwhacker]

No offense, questioning reality is a good thing, but you need to know when to say when. So I will post a couple links.

First up, LA times dated 18 july 09
detailing the new NASA orbiter with a picture of the landing site.
LA Times- NASA Orbiter

heres a Google maps image of a beach in honolulu. I picked it to get an accurate scale as well as a place with a lot of people.
google maps, similar scale image of honolulu

And I understand your argument, however I disagree. Time will prove which of us is right.

As stated earlier in this thread, the craft is in orbit. You can tell because a) the ground is moving and b) the ground is not very detailed in the footage [ie: dust/rocks]
[edit on 2009/7/21 by joe_dirt976]

[edit on 2009/7/21 by joe_dirt976]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Ummm.....two things.

The Apollo is orbiting the Moon very quickly....that series of photos I posted were taken within a matter of a few minutes, far less than one hour. You just won't see the Earth rotate much in that short a timespan, now will you?

Number two, as to the photos from LEO...the ISS and Shuttle are moving rapidly, so the Earth isn't really rotating under them (well it is, but just as slowly as always) they are moving quite rapidly over the Earth's surface...about 90 minutes per orbit.

Capiche?




[edit on 21 July 2009 by weedwhacker]

Mind if I add on a bit to further delve into your explanation?

If the ISS were simply rotating with the Earth, and not around it in its own trajectory, it would remain a stationary object in the sky, and therefore we would be able to stand in one particular location upon the surface of the Earth and continuously keep our eyes on it. However, this is NOT the case, as it in fact traverses the sky within a matter of minutes from viewable Horizon-to-Horizon, and therefore it moves considerably faster than the speed at which our Earth rotates. The ISS moves at roughly 17,000 MPH, whereas the Earth spins around its own axis at roughly 1,000 MPH. If the Earth rotated at the same speed as the ISS, our "Day" would cease to be 24 Hours Long, and it would instead be roughly 1.5 Hours Long.

If you want a tangible example, swing yourself around. Now note the speed. Then, take a modest length of line with a considerable amount of weight attached to its end (Do not hit yourself though), and swing it as fast as you can, while rotating as quickly as you yourself can around your own axis. Notice anything? The Weighted End of the line will very rapidly overtake your own rate of spin, and it will most likely rap around you multiple times due to such. This is the same effect that we witness with Orbital Satellites, both Artificial and Manufactured ones. There are other variables, such as the connection between Speed and Altitude, and Apogee and Perigee, but they are only necessary to explain if more technical aspects of such are required.

As for the Moon, it generally Orbits around the Earth at 2,000 MPH, which is all that is required (due to its Distance and Mass), for it to remain within Earth's Orbit. The Moon itself rotates around its own axis at a speed of roughly 10 MPH. The CM's of Apollo orbited the Moon at roughly 4,600 -5,000 MPH (At 70 Miles above the Lunar Surface, which is between 1/2 and 1/4 of the Height/Distance of the ISS above Earth's Surface). It took 45 Minutes for the Apollo CM's to return from COMM Blackout once they initially entered it on the "Dark side" of the Moon (As it appears to us here on Earth), and that generally covers half of their Full Lunar Orbital time/distance (90-110 Minutes in Total, over 6,700 Miles).

*Note: I have rounded many of the aforementioned calculations so as to provide the most simple numerical values possible.

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So what are you saying? That the two pics you posted are of the same quality?

There is no such thing as proof, everything is subjective and can be changed.

Lets say hypothetically that NASA removed all evidence that we did indeed land on the moon, then, lets say because of some some hidden agenda, this evidence was then replaced, or maybe it never existed, you can go round and round in circles, at the end of the day you either take their word or go your own way.

Lets say some boffin in the middle of nowhere designs a telescope that can distinguish the surface of the moon down to the nearest inch and proves we did not land on the moon, wheres the proof? who is he working for, what are his connections, is he a plant, or is he some well meaning amateur, is he there to be ridiculed to further enhance that conspiracy theorists blow everything out of all proportion, or is just trying to enlighten us, we may never know.

reply to post by American_Soviets


I think i agree with you, Lets see if i got this right......

If you were stood at a point dead centre of the visible Moon, The earth would always appear at the 12 o'clock position or directly overhead.

If you stood at the very edge of the visible Moon, The Earth would always appear at 3 o'clock or the just before sunset on Earth position.

Therefore at the point of the Sea of Tranquillity which i believe is kinda mid way between the two, Then the Earth should always appear at somewhere between 1 and 2 o'clock high in the sky.....And therefore seeing an Earth rise from that position would not be possible ?

Is that your reasoning, because it seems to makes sense to me.

reply to post by ken10


That was his reasoning, and it was sound....as long as you're on the surface.

The confusion came from the photos that were being discussed, because those were taken from orbit. Hence, an artificial "Earthrise".

Ok i'm struggling abit here,

The photo's are taken from Lunar orbit , Yes ?

Then the craft taking these photos must be over a position on the Moon that is not visible from Earth, ie......... The Darkside ....Is that correct.

So its the title of the youtube vid that is misleading stating the Sea of Tranquillity as the location that the photo's were taken. ?


Have i got it ?