Egyptian Treasures in the Grand Canyon

reply to post by Harte


Howdy Harte

I'll take my punishment and go re-research that....

Hello Win 52

I believe there are a lot more underground bunkers than you give credit for.

Hans: Obviously

You don't think they would ever make that information public, do you?

Hans: Why not?

The Norweigen's seem to think they can house up to half of their population ... give or take, in their underground facilities.

Hans: Really, why a link would be kewl

Why are world governments making these kinds of preparations?

Hans: They aren't I see no world-wide preparation for what you seem to fear. The seed bank is in regards to long term environment decay-caused mainly by humans.

What did ancient astronomers know, that we aren't being told about?

Hans: Obviously nothing as they didn't record anything nor is there anything we can see either, I do hope that is not a 2012 comment? LOL

reply to post by Hanslune


It is things like this, that make me think about things from various perspectives. I am just working to understand what my life's experiences have been trying to tell me. I have found many things that are not quite the way we are told. Why should these cave complexes be different. They are already controvercial, and that makes them subject to some type of cover-up.

Any sites which are not sensetive, are not shrouded in controvercy.

now, you can poo poo this if you like as it matters not to my preparations

I guess you are not in the elite group ..... or you are trying to dis-credit the information.



[edit on 29-9-2009 by win 52]

reply to post by win 52


By Zorgons beard, what has this got to do with this silly hoax named in this thread?

There is a connection to underworld Hopi Legends.

3114 BC - Why is this date significant in Mayan History?

A piece of the ancient MesoAmerican world is where the story begins. It is a ceramic object called the Vase of the Seven Gods(lords). see Image
The images on the Vessel of the Seven Lords seem to represent creation events and on the vessel the scholars have identified an hieroglyph representing the date of 3114 BC as one of the transition phase of such a creation period. The exact date is August 11, 3114 BC according to scholars. The story on the vase goes on to say that the MesoAmerican world had been in a very dark age until the Sun Lord was reborn. This new age is the "Age of Movement". According to some scholars, one of the Lords is called Bolon Yokte K'uh and he is a bitter lord. He is the commander and chief of the Underworld.

The story takes off from this period interpreted on the Vase of the Seven Lords and continues along the timeline of the Mayan time keeping calendars.
The Underworld Lord Bolon Yokte K'uh is also found in the Dresden Codex on the 60th parchment where he is carrying a spear and pointing it towards another Lord as if to attack. ( this is so in tune with the Sagittarius Archer Story - watch how it develops.)
Again on the Dresden Codex he is seen riding atop a serpent presenting a bound captive to another Lord. The Glyphs surrounding Bolon Yokte are heavily emphasized by serpents and water and the color blue. (my view of one possible fantastic scenario of a battle amongst the overlords - Ophiucus and Serpens)

Back to the Calendars...

These calendars are cyclic as opposed to linear. Linear timekeeping is a one way street while cyclic timekeeping is a merry go round. But the cyclic calendars the the Mayan used tell both long and short stories. There are 52 years cycles, 260 day cycles, and several more. Perhaps, like today, in ancient days only very qualified people would have known how to read these cycles and this would have made them very powerful people, demigods almost who seemed to have magical powers. Powers of prophecy that would allow them to tell the average Joe tribesmen when something would occur.

Some cycles last about 5100 years. These are the dawning of new ages and from 3114 BC to 2012 AD is one such age. These eras that last 5126 years are the creation, body, and death of an age.

The story goes on to say that Lord Bolon Yokte K'u makes his return at the end of the age of movement. He creates chaos and disharmony to the natural and the metaphysical realms. But another Lord eventually overrules and returns Bolon Yokte K'u to his Underworld.

After this battle, the harmonic nature of matter and spirit rebalance themselves but in an even higher frequency than had been known to man.

taken from here, and there are lots more if one cares to look

I know it is hard for people to read the posts, but the answer is already there as posted.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


It is not a hoax.... the area in question is a very sacred place, according to Hopi legend. It is where they came from...... or ..... after surviving several years of storms and bad weather caused by possibly a brown dwarf passing by, all that remained of the Hopi tribe left this area, going back to what they were doing before the event.

So the tribe came out of the caves where they were hiding out.

It is merely a re-play of a cyclical event.

reply to post by win 52


It has een proved hoax throughout this thread since inception.
The guy never existed. Proven FACT.

The cavern described is not remotley egyptian in its stylistic depiction. Infact it looks Roman at a stretch.

The objects described are amateur descriptions to say the least, and reflect the obsessions with Egytology that era had in America.
Budhists co inhabiting in there with Egyptians? I dont think so. In fact I go out on a limb here and say I KNOW so.

Dwelling outside of caves was Egyptian practice if we are talking about a civilisation that had moved to smetling gold and understoood mummification, there would be evidence of existence outside of the subterranean levels. They also would have commenced trading practices and created temples and housing complexes.

Their ships could not make this voyage-Fact

There is not one piece of evidence brought out-Fact

This is a proven hoax time and again.
If you wish to believe in Mayan doomsday and Hopi tradition, feel free win, however connecting it to something that has no credence whatsover, is stretching.

Its like you are making a connection to the tooth fairy so that angels exist and therefore the bible is true regarding armageddon.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


Have you been there?

It does not matter what you think, or for that matter, what has been reported by examining evidence. The reports are compromised and the information given is missleading.

There is an agenda which most people can't see, surrounding this area. No surprise that people who just read reports may be reading reports with specific agendas to prove false theory.

What this creates is a conclusion based on how far a person can P.

Do not be surprised when the Hopi move back into that cave complex.

reply to post by win 52


As I said the Hopi can do as they wish, this cave complexes have nothing to do in reality with a hoax of Egyptian and Asian artefacts in a dwelling complex. The caves may exist, the Hopi tradition exists, but the "find" does not.

reply to post by zazzafrazz


It seems you have about as much grounds for your position as do the people who support the theory of there being artifacts in cave complexes (created by local artists), which resemble artifacts found elsewhere in the world (Giza being one place). It is from a time when submerged cities were above Ocean levels and land bridges were available for trade routes.

Guess what? The evidence has been removed, tampered with and covered up to portray/support wrong theory as being factual.

I will keep working on my particular line of thinking, for now, waiting for other information to surface.

Just because some people call this a "Hoax", does not make it correct thinking. The jury is still out.

reply to post by win 52


And then I too subscribe to the tooth fairy being real.
Just because its claimed its not real by people who CAN prove its NOT real, does not mean its NOT a real angel. (I like this delusional debate technique I shall use it in future, ignore the evidence and find 'evidences' to propogate a self belief...fun)

The end of days will come when the Hopis return to their caves, and the Budhists again intebreed with Ancient Egyptians. Their religion and culture is sooooo incredibly similar afterall. You know reincarnation and betterment of the individual and collective, compared to abject domination of the minions and singular afterlife reflecting your exact materialistic existence on earth...the connections between the two is astounding, your right, why wouldnt they co inhabit and interbreed in a cave in the middle of the US.

As you join the Hopis, The tooth fairy will then appear on said mountain in Meggido, Israel and launch an assault of collected teeth at satans forces. I'll be handing the fairy teeth whilst you tremble in your cave.

Yawn, bored now
Enjoy your research





[edit on 30-9-2009 by zazzafrazz]

reply to post by zazzafrazz


Strange times breed strange remnants.

You assume we are more advanced as civilization, than ever before, here on planet Earth.

I assume we are at the bottom of the latrine.

Sorry to bump an old thread but I found this and it was an interesting read indeed:

keelynet.com...

The following is an intriguing article entitled "Archeological
Coverups", by David Hatcher Childress in the above NEXUS magazine.
Following that is a newspaper article from a 1909 newspaper
indicating a bizarre suppressed find in the Grand Canyon area.

It indicates either a hoax published at the time OR that the
Smithsonian and/or the government is covering up details of past
archeological discoveries that would rock current understanding of
the past.

Defo worth a read.

reply to post by mr-lizard


Its a good example of how to make made up stuff almost sound believable

Sorry no ancient Egyptians in the Grand Canyon, lol

isnt this the stuff that was on rense about some egyptian and chinese statues and mummys that were found in caves around the Colorado River that were covered up by the Smithsonian?

Thought this was proven to be a hoax. Would be cool if it were true though.I've always believed that the Phoenicians (maybe hired by the Pharaoh) could have pulled it off, they were skilled navigators and had the boats and navigation instruments to achieve it.

reply to post by Hanslune


My mistake, didn't check.

Sad to find out it's not true

Originally posted by fraterormus
Tobacco is indigenous to Europe and China, so that provides a reasonable explanation for the presence of tobacco in Egyptian Mummies.

Excuse me? Please explain to an amateur botanist how you reached that conclusion, based on what research and actual proof.

There may be a few Tobacco-related plants (belonging to the Solanaceae family) growing in Europe and China, but all species of Tobacco are indigenous to North and South America, Australia and the South Pacific.

None to Europe and China.

The only reason Balabanova speculated (she has not done any research and she hasn't proven a thing) that there could have been Tobacco in ancient Europe and China is because we find Nicotine in European and Chinese mummies as well. The logic behind this reasoning is; since we find Nicotine in European and Chinese mummies, it must have been growing there (even though any experienced botanist can tell you it isn't so), which explains why Nicotine is found in Egyptian mummies. It's a house of cards reasoning based on assumptions.

Some alternative theories could perhaps explain the presence of Nicotine in Euroasian mummies.

Isolated voyagers travelled between continents and brought back the Tobacco plant to the Euroasian contient, where it was cultivated on a small scale, only to die out at one point. This could explain why botany fails to pick up the trace of any general pre-columbian presence of Tobacco on the continent (so far).

The Nicotine comes from another source than Tobacco. The most likely culprit in this case is probably Belladonna (Nightshade), which contains high concentrations of Nicotine, and was used as a medicinal plant in Egypt and Europe. Although I personally believe that a qualified chemist (such as Balabanova) should be able to identify the source (of the Nicotine).

reply to post by BaronVonGodzilla


The animals were newborns, each being fed by adult female cows, which is why we drink cow's milk to this day and are the only animals that do. To the others, doing so just brings back bad memories of an uncomfortable trip....

@Win 52

Keep on it you are on track.It is a personal Journey.The truth is a very heavy burden.I can change you life in ways you may not have considered to date.You may be surprised to hear that if you keep on task you might get to the point where YOU yourself will do as I do and stay back and let people learn or not on their own,the passion for disclosure ends when the sheer gravity and weight of the truth sets in.Everything you need to learn is out there if you keep looking.

The drawings of the Temple in the Grand canyon are not the first of their kind,online there are pictures not drawings of IDENTICAL scenes,so either the person making the drawings saw those originals or copies OR they actually saw similar cultural expression actually in the GC.

a reply to: Conspiracyintheuk

I'd be willing to point anybody who is going to the lost cave, the doorway is in front of the beast who is friend, under the all seeing eye (left eye) at a near perfect 90 degree angle. Anybody who is actually going could send me a textured map (older the better) and I would put a dot on the entrance location. To me there would have only been one way that would allow their tribes elders and young ones to make such a journey. To give an approximate location I would be roughly where Indian Route 6140, hike to mile marker 62.5 is roughly where the little Colorado river tee's off and inland from there. I also believe that there is another entrance South West of there so that the cave naturally got enough air, warm air from the South naturally vented to the East. To Anybody going I'd point it for nothing but a mention and the party.

Cheers