The Anti-Obama Conspiracy

reply to post by contactee


That's certainly the simplest way of looking at it. Either way, it seems to be a pretty disingenuous sentiment among those who propagate it.

reply to post by Syrus Magistus


We know what happens to Presidents who step out of line with the NWO agenda, they get assassinated just like Kennedy...

Obama is one man, even if he managed to cut the puppet strings of the Elite that got him into office they'd still have him impeached or assassinated long before he did any serious damage to their agendas...

Disinformation is everywhere and I'm sure the anti-obama movement is filled with its fair share, especially that most deadly of illusions, the partisan illusion. Lot's of people are against Obama blindly and ignorantly based on political parties without realizing that Republican and Democrat are illusions put there to keep them bickering...

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Actually, that's where you're wrong, and here's why. Now, according to what I've been reading, Obama was not put into office by the NWO. His campaign was funded privately, from what I understand. He was the dark force, one-in-a-million chance and apparently, the so-called "powers-that-be" didn't even spend that much time preparing for the likelihood that he'd win. Now that he has taken office, he is attempting to dismantle the NWO, who has already lost most of its money during the controlled demolition of the economy. Now this is something I am not unsure of. The NWO is out of money. They can only operate for a few more months on what they've got. It takes trillions of dollars to run an organization like that annually and they don't have it anymore. They don't have the money to pay for assassinations, making it look like an accident, etc. But that's the last thing that group would want you to know. Their power is very limited now and they're being attacked from every side. Fox News is their shameless propaganda arm, so anything they say is probably the exact opposite of the truth. Remember the treasonous "Fox Nation" and their laughable AstroTurf "Teabagging" movement? If they're spending their money on manipulating the alternative conspiracy media, doesn't that sound to you like an act of desperation? I don't believe the NWO is all-powerful. I believe they are only as powerful as we make them and too many people know this stuff now and are not in favor of it. There's no way they can pass their agendas without a hitch without support from the masses.

That's the situation as I understand it. There's always the possibility that this is wrong, but I generally trust my source. I do not believe Obama is in the hands of the power elite. I like to live in a world where there is a balance of power capable of shifts. Call me an optimist if you will. We'll see soon enough, hopefully. There's no proof either way. It's just our opinions. We've got nothing to back them up.

Now this is something I am not unsure of. The NWO is out of money. They can only operate for a few more months on what they've got. It takes trillions of dollars to run an organization like that annually and they don't have it anymore.

They can't run out of money because they control the printing of it at the Federal Reserve and since the money is backed by absolutely nothing they can print however much they want. Plus I haven't seen Obama do anything to dismantle anything other than further damage to our economy by pumping those trillion dollar bailouts out with almost no congressional scrutiny. Its like trying to stitch up a bullet wound by stabbing into it with a knife and making the wound even deeper then sewing up the wound with the infected bullet still inside...

The NWO plays both sides of every conflict so they can't loose, if you think they're down and out and injured they're most likely playing dead... In the words of Admiral Ackbar - ITS A TRAP!

Originally posted by contactee

Originally posted by Lilitu
reply to post by Syrus Magistus

 

I don't believe there is any such conspiracy. This is all too simple. Use Occam's Razor. Obama is a black man and the US is overflowing with racist dullards who are all coming unglued at the thought of a black man being the most powerful man in the world.

ture.

In other words the conspiracy theories about obama being illuminati are prolly propaganda by racists.

It's not so much "propaganda" as it is hate fueled paranoid delusion. Read Toxic to Democracy, particularly the section CONSPIRACISM’S BIGOTED ROOTS beginning on page 3.

Additional links:
Extremism, Conspiracy Theory And Murder (Podcast)

Theocracy and White Supremacy

Prophets of the Apocalypse: White Supremacy and the Theology of Christian Identity

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull

They can't run out of money because they control the printing of it at the Federal Reserve and since the money is backed by absolutely nothing they can print however much they want. Plus I haven't seen Obama do anything to dismantle anything other than further damage to our economy by pumping those trillion dollar bailouts out with almost no congressional scrutiny. Its like trying to stitch up a bullet wound by stabbing into it with a knife and making the wound even deeper then sewing up the wound with the infected bullet still inside...

The NWO plays both sides of every conflict so they can't loose, if you think they're down and out and injured they're most likely playing dead... In the words of Admiral Ackbar - ITS A TRAP!

The Federal Reserve is run jointly by both Rockefellers and Rothschilds. Up until the nineties, these two families were working together quite closely, the Rockefellers controlling the Republican party and the Rothschilds controlling the Democratic party. Then there was a split, which happened after one of the head Rothschilds was assassinated in his bathroom and hung by a towel from his shower, clearly being set up to look like a fake suicide. Prior to this, the two sides had been disagreeing on the fundamentals of many important aspects of their plans. The Rothschild murder was just the final nail in the coffin. Since then, the Rockefellers have been the New World Oorder and the Rothschilds have been the Illuminati, exclusively. Those two names were synonymous when those families were still working together, but not anymore.

Still, better the devil you know than the devil you don't know, so they continued to coexist, even though they are working against each other somewhat. Also, the federal reserve has been getting busted recently for those trillions of dollars gone "missing" and it's not true that an entire organization can be run on counterfeit money. That makes the value of the dollar go down in value.

Most of their wealth was in these businesses like J.P. Morgan and Lehman Brothers, as well as banks like Citi and Bank of America, and all of these people are broke. They lost a lot when they tipped the glass. It's easy to think they're still just creating more money out of thin air, but they can't really get away with that right now. These groups are used to playing both sides against the middle, but they can't do that anymore because there is a third faction now: The rest of us. Their candidates were McCain and Clinton, and it was going to be Clinton who came out on top, just like in the thirties with FDR. They wanted a Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton dynasty.

Saying Obama was groomed for this position is a little silly when you stop to thing about that. They already had the alternative minority candidate set up. And also remember, these two groups aren't working side-by-side anymore. There's an element of rivalry right now and it's not particularly friendly. But again, better the devil you know than the devil you don't know. There are some insiders who say that all of these groups and their corporate friends are terrified of Obama.

Remember Swine flu? One of the very, very first people to get it was an archeologist who shook Obama's hand right before he fell ill and died. And the plane which crashed into somebody's house and erupted into a fireball? Two of the women on board had met with Obama just a few days before about reevaluating the 9/11 incident and reopening investigations. Perhaps one of the reasons Obama isn't getting much done is because everybody's out to get him. That's the conclusion I've come to based on what makes the most sense to me. Perhaps it's not the simplest explanation, it's not Occam's Razor, but the truth is often stranger than fiction. We don't know, and that's the one thing we do know for sure. That's just how "the story" goes.

[edit on 26-7-2009 by Syrus Magistus]

reply to post by Lilitu


By the same logic, isn't Obama also a white man? He's half-and-half, but a lot of people seem to ignore that.

Yeah, it is pretty paranoid, but there does seem to be a fair amount of evidence to suggest something is going on behind closed doors. It's certainly not as omnipotent as some people believe it to be. Anybody who worships the Illuminati or any other cabal with their fear would probably be better off denying their existence.

[edit on 26-7-2009 by Syrus Magistus]

Originally posted by Syrus Magistus
reply to post by Lilitu

 

By the same logic, isn't Obama also a white man? He's half-and-half, but a lot of people seem to ignore that.

It really doesn't matter. Why is race (mixed or not) something you cannot ignore?

Originally posted by Syrus Magistus

Socialism and communism are not the same. Socialism is a good thing, whereas communism is another form of fascism. Socialism means taking care of the people. Is that so wrong? It seems to me like you're viewing him through a distorted lens.

You're talking "theory", everyone else is talking "practice". Nice theory, impossible to put into practice. Every single instance of an attempt has devolved into totalitarianism.

My classroom days are long over. I have to live in the real world now.

Sure, we had our issues before he became president, but I think he used the race card to fend off opposition. Instead of resolving the Rev. Wright saga rationally, he gave everyone else a lecture on race. Other words, he turned the tables on everyone. When he should have said, "My friends have a problem, sorry.", he instead said, "You have a problem." He gave a lecture and not an apology.

Nobody's perfect. That sounds like a personal issue for him and it's probably uncomfortable to deal with maturely, even for him.

He seems to have a lot of "personal issues" revolving around the same themes.

Our health care system used to be nationalized. It's because of Regan's puppet administration that we lost it. The whole of the civilized world chose to take care of its people after the events of World War II. Taking care of people is a good thing. I don't see the need to demonize it. I also don't see how the health care system is his fault anyway.

I'd be interested in your rationale for this statement, Rather than just throwing it out there and expecting it to stand on it's own. I lived through the times of which you speak, in the places you speak of, and never once saw a hint of nationalized health care in the US.

Lets nationalize banks.

That's also a good idea in concept. The banks (particularly Citi and Bank of America) are fronts for the NWO. Nationalizing the banks limits their ability to exploiting people.

Another statement that needs a rationalization. How will giving them the keys to the candy store limit their ability to exploit the people? Please explain.

Well is it really his fault? It isn't. He didn't screw up the country.

No, but he sure is accelerating it's further downfall. I thought he was elected to fix something?

Fighting won't solve our problems. That's where your generation and the ones that came before yours have failed. Violence only begets more violence.

Incorrect. You'd be amazed how well a little interpersonal violence can drive your point home, and convince those who ignore your will, while forcing theirs on you, What a bad idea that was. Violence only begets more violence when you don't fight to win.

Its not my fault you elected him into office, but I'm willing to pick up your mess.

I didn't vote for him either. I am not old enough to vote yet. I am only seventeen. It's not my mess, but all of ours.

No, it's the mess of those who voted this mess into office, same as the Bushy years were the mess of those who voted him into office. Neither one was "my" mess, but I see a house cleaning coming all the same.

[edit on 2009/7/26 by nenothtu]

First, the NWO just got bankrolled 750 billion dollars - Remember they get a 5% "fee" for every dollar they print for the Government.
15 trillion x 5%= 750 billion.

And, just what was Obama supposed to do with the mess he inherited? Let the financial institutions, where many of our investment funds are, fail and go into default? It would have started a domino effect and wipe out even the most stable of firms eventually. Meaning our retirement accounts, mutual funds, etc. And, if you've read the bail out, or TARP agreement, you will note they have to pay it back. Yeah, it was a no interest loan, but not a 'grant'.

And as to the Stimulus Package - Have you not noticed the bridges and roads that were becoming nearly impassable being repaired in your State? It's called infrastructure. Something too many politicians, Republican and Democrat alike, have ignored for so long that we have to play 'catch-up' just to bring them to 'passable' grade. Was it a "magic bullet" to jump start the economy? No. But it did provide some employment opportunities for people in that sector of the building industry. At least, that is a start ... and we get the benefit of better and saver roads and bridges.

Did Obama put our children's future at risk? Bush left office with a ten year projected deficit of over 9 trillion. Obama's efforts have lowered that projection to about 7.2 trillion. This info is readily referenced at the white house website, and as well the webpages of both houses of congress.

Do we really need to overhaul health care? If we want to lower that deficit we do. And, if we want to stop the wasted money spent by our government on subsidies paid to insurers - we do. And stop out-of-control increases in health care costs - we do. And give Doctors, hospitals and the patient the freedom to say, "If this test will help determine what ails me, let's do it." And not the insurance industry making that determination for (us) based on if they want to pay for it or not - we do.
And, remember - Medicare and Medicaid coverage, something we will all rely on in our end years, has been systematically reduced due to the rising costs of procedures the medical industry bills us for. (Us = the tax payers)

I think President Obama has made some important strides in his six months at the reins.
Oh, and BTW, I voted for McCain.

[edit on 7/26/2009 by LatentElement]

Originally posted by nenothtu

You're talking "theory", everyone else is talking "practice". Nice theory, impossible to put into practice. Every single instance of an attempt has devolved into totalitarianism.

That's absolutely not true. Just look at Europe. Their standard of living is far higher than ours. Only the rich in American live better than them. You and I are not among them.

He seems to have a lot of "personal issues" revolving around the same themes

Whatever that means.

I'd be interested in your rationale for this statement, Rather than just throwing it out there and expecting it to stand on it's own. I lived through the times of which you speak, in the places you speak of, and never once saw a hint of nationalized health care in the US.

Surely you remember the asylums and the social programs in place to help children? It wasn't nationalized health care, but it was socialism. You must not have been paying very much attention, or perhaps you have a selective memory?

Another statement that needs a rationalization. How will giving them the keys to the candy store limit their ability to exploit the people? Please explain.

The banks make our money out of thin air. Not just the Federal Reserve's money, but their own. There's more debt than there is money as a result. The government SHOULD make all the money, but they don't. Nationalizing the banks is a VERY good idea. Up until now, we've been at the mercy of private banks. 97% of the money is digital because they create it instantly as soon as any money from the fed is deposited. When you buy a house with the help of a bank, they make money out of thin air the moment you sign that contract with them and they can try to take your house away later on. It's totally fraudulent and they've been beaten before in court because they're legally in the wrong. That's just one example. Several of the banks, such as Citi and Bank of America help to support the criminal cabals in government that we ALL want gone. Nationalizing them will create an oversight which will prevent them from continuing business as usual.

No, but he sure is accelerating it's further downfall. I thought he was elected to fix something?

Tell me, how is he accelerating its downfall? It's time for you to do some rationalizing now.

Incorrect. You'd be amazed how well a little interpersonal violence can drive your point home, and convince those who ignore your will, while forcing theirs on you, What a bad idea that was. Violence only begets more violence when you don't fight to win.

We don't live in the jungle anymore. For god's sake, grow a set of thumbs and get with the times. Why would you need to "drive your point home" or have need to impose your will upon others? Violence will always beget more violence, whether you win or lose. Either it's violence on your part of somebody else's. Your way has never brought harmony or order to the world. It only brought a quick fix, then made the problem worse. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. The people who make a difference are the ones who believe that. You know their names. Do you know the names of the people who believe as you do? Of course not, they're everywhere, they're a dime a dozen, and they're still killing each other.

No, it's the mess of those who voted this mess into office, same as the Bushy years were the mess of those who voted him into office. Neither one was "my" mess, but I see a house cleaning coming all the same.

You're an American citizen, yes? You're old enough to vote, yes? You're mature enough to take action on your own behalf, yes? You're motivated enough to bring harm to others, so why can't you be motivate to create? Be the change you wish to see in the world, because you are a part of it too. If you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you've always got. You're an adult. You're not helpless. It really doesn't matter what your voice is, for better or worse, you can change things.

From a critical point of view, Obama was the best of all the options we had. Would you rather have Hillary or McCain, or worst still, Palin? Would you prefer more war, maybe even a nuclear holocaust? You have no idea how lucky you are to have a man in office interested in repairing the infrastructure instead of just mindlessly destroying more. I'm sure if you were in office, we'd all be doomed. Even a retard like Palin has more experience than you in politics. Look at the situation from every angle and then tell me Obama's a loser. Just because Alex Jones and Fox News says it, doesn't make it true.

reply to post by LatentElement


You said it far better than I could. Well done!

Wow, if this 17 year old kid has all the answers what are the rest of us going to do with our time?

If these are the kind of things our future generation believes... I guess there is some sort of up side to the NAU... this generation will get no say in anything that happens

kids

Oh and by the way didn't you say that your father helped with some supercomputers in th 1930's???

[edit on 02/04/2009 by Cool Breeze]

reply to post by Cool Breeze


Oh, grow a pair of thumbs! You're barely evolved.

reply to post by Syrus Magistus


Ha ha ha ha

And you would know this how?

You are 17!!!
You have done nothing, you have seen nothing (besides some possible youtube videos). Just keep living in your dream world because you know nothing of the real world. Stay safe and stay sheltered because you could not handle what is really going on.

Let's hear an amen for the future generation.

Here's to our future leader here

reply to post by Syrus Magistus


Why not answer my question about your father and some supercomputer?

reply to post by Cool Breeze


It was my grandfather, obviously. Why do you insist on playing dumb and treat me like a fool? You know nothing about me. There are total fossils who went through their lives and never learned a damn thing. If I shared your opinion, you'd probably think I was brilliant. You're an unevolved bigot. Next.

[edit on 6-8-2009 by Syrus Magistus]

reply to post by Syrus Magistus


How am I a bigot???

See the reason I think you don't really know much and just sneak on Mommy and Daddy's computer when they aren't looking is because everyone who does't share you opinion has been called a name by you (not very smart or creative ones but names none the less).

Now i can see your way of thinking very clearly now. Since I do not care for Obama I must be a bigot right???? Hmm it disappoints me everytime I see someone run out of good things to say about Obama and jump right to the racist and bigot card....

Put a few more years on your back and let me know your ideals are working for ya

Originally posted by Cool Breeze
reply to post by Syrus Magistus

 

How am I a bigot???

The definition of a bigot: "One obstinately convinced of the superiority or correctness of one's own opinions and prejudiced against those who hold different opinions."

I asked for valid documentation proving the rumors condemning Obama and his administration, and because you have no such proof, you use something as arbitrary as my age against me, spouting off lame stereotypes that only apply to some under the age of ten or twelve, like these:

See the reason I think you don't really know much and just sneak on Mommy and Daddy's computer when they aren't looking is because everyone who does't share you opinion has been called a name by you (not very smart or creative ones but names none the less).

I am seventeen. In just a few months, I'll be a legal adult with the power to vote, join the military, start a business, etc. I have my own car and my own job. And no, I am not name-calling. You ARE a bigot. It's not an insult, it's an observation. If I wanted to insult you, I would not be nearly so nice.

Now i can see your way of thinking very clearly now. Since I do not care for Obama I must be a bigot right???? Hmm it disappoints me everytime I see someone run out of good things to say about Obama and jump right to the racist and bigot card....

You are entitled to your opinion. What makes you a bigot is your obnoxious disrespect for those who do not share it. You think you're better and smarter than me. You believe I am wrong and you are right. What you tote is a belief, not an opinion.

For the record, please note that I have not brought the issue of race into this discussion. Though I often hear it from both sides, I try not to bring it into any discussion about Obama. The man has no "race". His mother is an Anglo American and his father is from Kenya. He isn't black and he isn't white. Many black people will tell you he isn't black. He is African American, yes, but not black. Even his tone of skin reflects his mixed genes, so I don't think he's a big deal so far as racial matters are concerned. That's my opinion, but it is derived from my world view. The issue of race doesn't really phase me because I don't consider it a big deal.

We are not disturbed by what is not a part of us. If you're worried about it, maybe it is a problem for you? That is not for me to say.

Put a few more years on your back and let me know your ideals are working for ya

The only thing that a few more years will bring is a decrease in my fluid intelligence, as it is with most people over thirty. The way I interpret the world will be based on the beliefs I have crystallized over the years, meaning I won't be able to think outside the box as well. My ability to abstract and look at things from different perspectives will decay, just like yours. Also, for the record, I have not led a sheltered life by any means. Your assumptions and prejudices keep you from perceiving me objectively. If I never mentioned I was seventeen, there is no way you would ever have figured it out yourself. Even if I had a real, current picture of myself next to my name, you still wouldn't have figured it out. Strangers mistake me for an adult constantly.

Believe me, if I were the one of the cookie cutter shaped that make up your little world, I would not be on ATS. I am here now because I care about these things and I can't bear to see so many people in fear of a dark horse because of rumors people like Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh seem to get off on starting. People who wish to undermine the administration by inciting a civil war. Limbaugh himself said he hoped the Obama's administration failed. If that had been said during the Bush years by a different media figure, it would have been called treasonous by the GOP. This is a double standard. Fox News, the shameless propaganda arm for the NeoCons/New World Order, has been caught in this double standard numerous times, particularly recently. The only reason anybody in the media appears as extreme as they do is because they want the ratings and sane, middle-of-the-road voices are considered boring by views. You think any of them really believe Obama is a Nazi or the AntiChrist? Of course not. It's sensationalism, and it's also a propaganda machine for the big guys themselves, who keep partisan networks like that deep in their pocket.

Then again, it's a waste of time making that argument to you anyway. You're only a troll. You lack the capacity for civil debate, which is why I didn't respond to you in the first place and told you to grow a pair. I knew then that humoring your ego would be as fruitless then as it is now. Anybody else?

reply to post by Syrus Magistus


Believe me, if I were the one of the cookie cutter shaped that make up your little world, I would not be on ATS. I am here now because I care about these things and I can't bear to see so many people in fear of a dark horse because of rumors people like Glen Beck or Rush Limbaugh seem to get off on starting. People who wish to undermine the administration by inciting a civil war. Limbaugh himself said he hoped the Obama's administration failed. If that had been said during the Bush years by a different media figure, it would have been called treasonous by the GOP. This is a double standard. Fox News, the shameless propaganda arm for the NeoCons/New World Order, has been caught in this double standard numerous times, particularly recently. The only reason anybody in the media appears as extreme as they do is because they want the ratings and sane, middle-of-the-road voices are considered boring by views. You think any of them really believe Obama is a Nazi or the AntiChrist? Of course not. It's sensationalism, and it's also a propaganda machine for the big guys themselves, who keep partisan networks like that deep in their pocket.

Then again, it's a waste of time making that argument to you anyway. You're only a troll. You lack the capacity for civil debate, which is why I didn't respond to you in the first place and told you to grow a pair. I knew then that humoring your ego would be as fruitless then as it is now. Anybody else?

And I am the one with the ego???

Oh and for the the Fox News debate. Yes they are rather right winged (I find it pretty funny you think I am like minded). Sorry to burst your bubble but I do not watch Fox News, or any other United States news for that matter. They all have an agenda whether it be left or right, there is no unbiased news anymore so don't keep spreading the tone that the only bad news out there is Fox News. They are all bad, in the sense that news should be fair and unbiased. There are no true journalists left in America.