Chemtrails being sprayed by a circular craft

This article caught my eye; two witnesses unknown to each other photographed clear pictures of a circular object laying heavy " chemtrails" behind it over Vail Colorado on March 7 2008... www.carnicom.com... Any thoughts on this one ??

Wow, I think that might be a tough one to debunk.
Good find...

PEACE!!!

UFO or 'Government' what do you think ??

just a thought here...

when an aircraft breaks the sound barrier and there is ample humidity in the atmosphere, it creates a ring of clouds, perhaps the footage here is simply an aircraft breaking the sound barrier in a high moisture layer of the atmosphere which would also explain the thick contrails?

my 2 cents any way

reply to post by wx4caster

when an aircraft breaks the sound barrier and there is ample humidity in the atmosphere, it creates a ring of clouds, perhaps the footage here is simply an aircraft breaking the sound barrier in a high moisture layer of the atmosphere which would also explain the thick contrails?

Yhea, I understand the concept that your talking about, but two at the same time?..and in separate locations in the sky? And militray aircraft usually fly in formation if there's more than one. I have to say these photographs are some of the strangest I've ever seen. Possibly a rocket? I don't know. Wasn't there a militray project where they made a battle tank disappear while it was traveling across the ground? I know that they're working on invisibility projects. I can't tell if the RINGS in the photo's are solid crafts or something else.

reply to post by L.HAMILTON


Just a quick thought, I read most of the description left by the photographer who took the pictures in the link that you posted. I would wonder if he has ever inquired of any commercial/military pilots about when an aircraft does or does not leave a trail in the sky while flying. I would imagine that a pilot and perhaps meterologists might assist in this kind of situation.

reply to post by skyeyes
I don't believe there were any government investigations into this occurance.

reply to post by wx4caster


circular aircraft ????????? military circular aircraft??? what's wrong!!!!

here an aircraft breaking the sound barrier

i.livescience.com...

do you see the difference ?

ok maybe i'm bumb to belive it's an ufo but not blind

reply to post by L.HAMILTON


O.K., I live close to a naval air station. When I get the chance I'll speak with a military pilot and see what his opinion is on the whole situation. If I can, I'll show him the pictures from the link.

reply to post by L.HAMILTON



The first set shows a ring in front of a contrail photographed on the 7th March.

The second set shows an extremely out of focus circle photographed on the 23rd March.

17 days difference and two very different objects.

I think we need more information on it.

reply to post by Chadwickus
The topic of this thread is dealing with the first set of photographs.

reply to post by L.HAMILTON


Ok, but you did mention two witnesses in your OP:

Originally posted by L.HAMILTON
This article caught my eye; two witnesses unknown to each other photographed clear pictures of a circular object laying heavy " chemtrails" behind it over Vail Colorado on March 7 2008... www.carnicom.com... Any thoughts on this one ??

So regarding the first set, it would be interesting to find where the sun was in relation to the object, the ring could be a lens flare but without a point of reference it's hard to say.

Just my 2cents.

The second image is the most interesting one because it proves that this isn't anything to do with breaking the sound barrier. The craft is fully visible and looks like a classic saucer. I think it is secret government tech, unless our galactic brothers are also partial to the odd bit of chem trailing!

what i dont understand here is why is it labled chemtrail & not contrail since you have presented zero evidence to link this contrail & call it chemtrail, what chemicals ?, evidence of chemicals from this trail ?
your distrust of water vapour is astounding !!
at present ide say this looks more like water vapour & the atmosphere supports a water vapour contrail more than some wierd chemtrail.
for example commersial passenger jets often have to dump fuel from wing tps befor landing for saftey reasons (fire hazard) this fuel dumping could be seen as a chemtrail as fuel is a chemical solvent & disipates quickly (does not make huge contail type trails)
& their is evidence to prove fuel dumping is a fact of flying.
so please point out how you intend to prove to us that this trail that looks like a contrail is infact a chemtrail ?
& your evidence is =
im all ears

Originally posted by L.HAMILTON
reply to post by skyeyes

 

I don't believe there were any government investigations into this occurance.

The government tend to leave such things to scientists - especially meteorologists - who've been studying the subject since the 1940s.

There are a few relevant papers on the subject here



As for these specific photos posted on Rense, they do look to me like an aircraft breaking the sound barrier (the aircraft itself being too distant to be visible in the photos - all we see is the contrail and then a round blur as the barrier is broken).

I took this in Liverpool UK a few months ago - it looked just like a silent , solid white light passing overhead to the eye at the time but came out like this on the photo.

I don't know if it's a trick of the camera or what ..
also seems to leave the same , small smudged trail behind it.












[edit on 18-7-2009 by Did you see them]

Hmmm...

I don't think it's a jet breaking the sound barrier. It simply doesn't resemble that at all.

There's really not a whole lot of information available from those photos, unfortunately. No reference, no nothing, meaning it could technically be anything (underwater, photoshop, etc).

If they ARE valid photos, then I think they look similar to "invisible jet" technology. It's not possible to make vapor invisible, but the ring creates the illusion of vapor being emitted from a single jet engine.

I believe the invisible tank operation mentioned by another poster involved thousands of miniature cameras placed upon the armor of the tank. They would take pictures of one "side" and project that image onto the other side.

If they use this same technology on a jet/plane, they would just project the images from above the plane to the bottom of the plane rendering it invisible to anybody looking up from below.

Just a thought.



Cheers,
Strype

reply to post by L.HAMILTON
S&F

Now read William Bramley's "The Gods of Eden" there have been throughout history sightings of circular aircraft spraying and each time this has heralded in "plague".

Free e-book here: www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Two types of plague are believed to have caused the Black Death. The first is the “bubonic” type, which was the most common. The bubonic form of plague is characterized by swellings of the lymph nodes; the swellings are called ”buboes.” The buboes are accompanied by vomiting, fever, and death within several days if not treated. This form of plague is not contagious between human beings: it requires an active carrier, such as a flea. For this reason, many historians believe that flea-infested rodents caused the Bubonic Plague. Rodents are known to carry the disease even today. A number of records from between 1347 and the late 1600’s speak of rodent infestations prior to several outbreaks of the Black Death, lending credence to the rodent theory.


The second form of plague contributing to the Black Death is a highly contagious type known as “pneumonic” plague. It is marked by shivering, rapid breathing, and the coughing up of blood. Body temperatures are high and death normally follows three to four days after the disease has been contracted. This second type of plague is nearly always fatal and transmits best in cold weather and in poor ventilation. Some physicians today believe it was this second form, the “pneumonic” plague, which was responsible for most of the casualties of the Black Death because of the crowding and poor hygienic conditions then prevalent in Europe.


We would normally shake our heads at this tragic period of human history and be thankful that modern medicine has developed cures for these dread diseases. However, troubling enigmas about the Black Death still linger. Many outbreaks occurred in summer during warm weather in uncrowded regions. Not all outbreaks of bubonic plague were preceded by rodent infestation; in fact, only a minority of cases seemed to be related to an increase in the presence of vermin. The greatest puzzle about the Black Death is how it was able to strike isolated human populations which had no contact with earlier infected areas. The epidemics also tended to end abruptly.


To solve these puzzles, an historian would normally look to records from the Plague years to see what people were reporting. When he does so, he encounters stories so stunning and unbelievable that he is likely to reject them as the fantasies and superstitions of badly frightened minds. A great many people throughout Europe and other Plague-stricken regions of the world were reporting that outbreaks of the Plague were caused by foul-smelling “mists.” Those mists frequently appeared after unusually bright lights in the sky. The historian quickly discovers that “mists” and bright lights were reported far more frequently and in many more locations than were rodent infestations. The Plague years were, in fact, a period of heavy UFO activity.


What; then, were the mysterious mists?

There is another very important way in which plague germs can be transmitted: through germ weapons. The United States and the Soviet Union today have stockpiles of biological weapons containing bubonic plague and other epidemic diseases. The germs are kept alive in canisters which spray the diseases into the air on thick, often visible, artificial mists. Anyone breathing in the mist will inhale the disease. There are enough such germ weapons today to wipe out a good portion of humanity. Reports of identical disease-inducing mists from the Plague years strongly suggest that the Black Death was caused by germ warfare. Let us take a look at the incredible reports which lead to that conclusion.


The first outbreak of the Plague in Europe followed an unusual series of events. Between 1298 and 1314, seven large “comets” were seen over Europe; one was of “aweinspiring blackness.”1 One year before the first outbreak of the epidemic in Europe, a “column of fire” was reported over the Pope’s* palace at Avignon, France.



* This was a second unauthorized pope who assumed the title as the result of a schism within the Catholic Church. The complete title is,

A chronicle of prodigies and portents that have occurred beyond the right order, operation and working of nature, in both the upper and lower regions of the earth, from the beginning of the world up to these present times.

Earlier that year, a “ball of fire” was observed over Paris; it reportedly remained visible to observers for some time. To the people of Europe, these sightings were considered omens of the Plague which soon followed.


It is true that some reported “comets” were probably just that: comets. Some may also have been small meteors or fireballs (large blazing meteors). Centuries ago, people were generally far more superstitious than they are today and so natural meteors and similar prosaic phenomena were often reported as precursors to later disasters even though there was no real-life connection.



On the other hand, it is important to note that almost any unusual object in the sky was called a “comet.” A good example is found in a bestselling book published in 1557, "A Chronicle of Prodigies and Portents..." by Conrad Lycosthenes. On page 494 of Lycosthenes’ book we read of a “comet” observed in the year 1479:

“A comet was seen in Arabia in the manner of a sharply pointed wooden beam ...”

The accompanying illustration, which was based on eyewitness descriptions, shows what clearly looks like the front half of a rocketship among some clouds.



The object appears to have many portholes. Today we would call the object a UFO, not a comet. This leads us to wonder how many other ancient “comets” were actually similar rocketlike objects. When we are confronted with-an old report of a comet, we therefore do not really know what kind of thing we are dealing with unless there is a fuller description. A report of a sudden increase in “comets” or similar celestial phenomena may, in fact, mean an increase in UFO activity.

The link between unusual aerial phenomena and the Black Death was established immediately during the first outbreaks of the Plague in Asia. As one historian tells us:

The first reports [of the Plague] came out of the East. They were confused, exaggerated, frightening, as reports from that quarter of the world so often are: descriptions of storms and earthquakes: of meteors and comets trailing noxious gases that killed trees and destroyed the fertility of the land...2

The above passage indicates that strange flying objects were doing more than just spreading disease: they were also apparently spraying chemical or biological defoliants from the air. The above passage echoes the ancient Mesopotamian tablets which described defoliation of the landscape by ancient Custodial “Gods.” Many human casualties from the Black Death may have been caused by such defoliants

So look out and keep tabs for "another outbreak" of some kind.

If you see any craft spraying anything cover your face and run for shelter.

reply to post by L.HAMILTON
Good question, possibly could both be working "together".

From The Gods of Eden by William Bramley - chapter 18 "The Black Death".

The connection between aerial phenomena and plague had begun centuries before the Black Death. We saw examples in our earlier discussion of Justinian’s Plague. We read from another source about a large plague that had reportedly broken out in the year 1117—almost 250 years before the Black Death.



That plague was also preceded by unusual celestial phenomena:

In 1117, in January, a comet passed like a fiery army from the North towards the Orient, the moon was overcast blood-red in an eclipse, a year later a light appeared more brilliant than the sun. This was followed by great cold, famine, and plague, of which one-third of humanity is said to have perished.3 *



* I have seen no mention of this plague in any other history book. It may have been a local plague which destroyed not a third of humanity, but a third of the afflicted population.

Once the medieval Black Death got started, noteworthy aerial phenomena continued to accompany the dread epidemic. Reports of many of these phenomena were assembled by Johannes Nohl and published in his book, The Black Death, A Chronicle of the Plague (1926). According to Mr. Nohl, at least 26 “comets” were reported between 1500 and 1543. Fifteen or sixteen were seen between 1556 and 1597. In the year 1618, eight or nine were observed.



Mr. Nohl emphasizes the connection which people perceived between the “comets” and subsequent epidemics:

In the year 1606 a comet was seen, after which a general plague traversed the world. In 1582 a comet brought so violent a plague upon Majo, Prague, Thuringia, the Netherlands, and other places that in Thuringia it carried off 37,000 and in the Netherlands 46,415.4

From Vienna, Austria, we get the following description of an event which happened in 1568. Here we see a connection between an outbreak of Plague and an object described in a manner remarkably similar to a modern cigar or beam-shaped UFO:

When in sun and moonlight a beautiful rainbow and a fiery beam were seen hovering above the church of St. Stephanie, which was followed by a violent epidemic in Austria, Swabia, Augsberg, Wuertemberg, Nuremburg, and other places, carrying off human beings and cattle.5

Sightings of unusual aerial phenomena usually occurred from several minutes to a year before an outbreak of Plague. Where there was a gap between such a sighting and the arrival of the Plague, a second phenomenon was sometimes reported: the appearance of frightening humanlike figures dressed in black. Those figures were often seen on the outskirts of a town or village and their presence would signal the outbreak of an epidemic almost immediately.



A summary written in 1682 tells of one such visit a century earlier:

In Brandenburg [in Germany] there appeared in 1559 horrible men, of whom at first fifteen and later on twelve were seen. The foremost had beside their posteriors little heads, the others fearful faces and long scythes, with which they cut at the oats, so that the swish could be heard at a great distance, but the oats remained standing. When a quantity of people came running out to see them, they went on with their mowing.6

The visit of the strange men to the oat fields was followed immediately by a severe outbreak of the Plague in Brandenburg.
This incident raises intriguing questions: who were the mysterious figures? What were the long scythe-like instruments they held that emitted a loud swishing sound? It appears that the “scythes” may have been long instruments designed to spray poison or germ-laden gas. This would mean that the townspeople misinterpreted the movement of the “scythes” as an attempt to cut oats when, in fact, the movements were the act of spraying aerosols on the town.

Similar men dressed in black were reported in Hungary:

. . . in the year of Christ 1571 was seen at Cremnitz in the mountain towns of Hungary on Ascension Day in the evening to the great perturbation [disturbance] of all, when on the Schuelersberg there appeared so many black riders that the opinion was prevalent that the Turks were making a secret raid, but who rapidly disappeared again, and thereupon a raging plague broke out in the neighborhood.7

Strange men dressed in black, “demons,” and other terrifying figures were observed in other European communities. The frightening creatures were often observed carrying long ”brooms,” “scythes,” or “swords” that were used to “sweep” or “knock at” the doors of people’s homes. The inhabitants of those homes fell ill with plague afterwards. It is from these reports that people created the popular image of “Death” as a skeleton or demon carrying a scythe. The scythe came to symbolize the act of Death mowing down people like stalks of grain. In looking at this haunting image of death, we may, in fact, be staring into the face of the UFO.

Of all the phenomena connected to the Black Death, by far the most frequently reported were the strange, noxious “mists.” The vapors were often observed even when the other phenomena were not. Mr. Nohl points out that moist pestilential fogs were “a feature which preceded the epidemic throughout its whole course.” 8 A great many physicians of the time took it for granted that the strange mists caused the Plague. This connection was established at the very beginning of the Black Death, as Mr. Nohl tells us:

The origin of the plague lay in China, there it is said to have commenced to rage already in the year 1333, after a terrible mist emitting a fearful stench and infecting the air.9

Another account stresses that the Plague did not spread from person to person, but was contracted by breathing the deadly stinking air:

During the whole of the year 1382 there was no wind, in consequence of which the air grew putrid, so that an epidemic broke out, and the plague did not pass from one man to another, but everyone who was killed by it got it straight from the air.10

Reports of deadly “mists” and “pestilential fogs” came from all Plague-infested parts of the world:

A Prague chronicle describes the epidemic in China, India and Persia; and the Florentine historian Matteo Villani, who took up the work of his brother Giovanni after he had died of the plague in Florence, relays the account of earthquakes and pestilential fogs from a traveller in Asia.

The same historian continues:

A similar incident of earthquake and pestilential fog was reported from Cyprus, and it was believed that the wind had been so poisonous that men were struck down and died from it.12

He adds:

German accounts speak of a heavy vile-smelling mist which advanced from the East and spread itself over Italy.13

That author states that in other countries:

. .. people were convinced that they could contract the disease from the stench, or even, as is sometimes described, actually see the plague coming through the streets as a pale fog