Answering the big question

Do you think it is possible that we will ever know for sure what happens when, and after we die.

If someone had said two hundred or more years ago, that will we ever know what its like in space, I don't think this would have been regarded as a scientific question, more of a question that could never been answered, over to you.

Death, at least as a word, is pretty subjective. All words are subjective actually, including space. We all understand what you mean when using the words, but maybe some of us don't necessarily agree that those words are the best for the concepts you have.

So where am I going with this? My point is that each concept, whether it is space, death or eating, has its own consequences and respective "deriving knowledge" depending on the subject, or that which is holding the concept.

I think death is one thing. So my experience of it will be relative to what I make it to be.

In the case of space. Some thought that space was "only for the gods" back in the days. Those people probably had a "mild experience" of space because they believed that it was something intangible for them. But a philosopher, a mystic, an esoteric, a lunatic, that lived in the same time, that had a different attitude towards space from the other guys that thought space was only for the gods surely had more "intense experiences" relating to space.

It's pretty obvious isn't it?

We go the same place before we are born.

You will die, your mind is no more, no neurons firing, no electricity, you are done.

Then microrganisms get a feast, you decompose, then your atoms dissassemble, and go elsewhere.

Sure it's boring, I should've added something about a dragon or unicorn, but that's it.

Your mind is just terrible at grasping the idea of not being, which causes it to illusion false ideas that it doesn't die.

Death is nothing to fear....only one who would fear a situation would want to know what is expected...

Originally posted by Republican08
You will die, your mind is no more, no neurons firing, no electricity, you are done.

Your mind is just terrible at grasping the idea of not being, which causes it to illusion false ideas that it doesn't die.

I disagree with some points you make.

I will concede that your mind is no more (although that is just a blind conclusion, how can we say it will be no more if we don't even know what exactly it is?) but you are not your mind. If your mind is no more it doesn't mean necessarily that you are done.

Again, you are basically saying that the mind is necessary for being. And that the mind obviously ends and with it being ends too. I think these are just really precipitated conclusions.


[edit on 17-7-2009 by Geladinhu]

Well, this sounds like I should take a pill, but here goes.

My father died of canser in 2000, since then I have dreamt about him and that we do things together, and the ultra wierd part is that when I wake up, it feels like I have spent time with him..

This happends all the time, and more and more often now these last 8 or 9 months, dont know why, but ....

About two weeks ago, I dreamt that every thing around us started to turn black, like some one was removing the details from earth.

Things started to slide side ways and started to rumble more and more, light became so intense that it burned strait into the brain, closing eyes helped non.

All of the sudden , I was back at my house, but it was bigger, yet the same, no feeling of restraints at all,free, new computer was there, which looked like from another world, I felt heavenly, but then, my wife called my to the living room, she was in utter fear, my father was there,alive,he was smiling and had happy eyes, I started to get sick inside when I felt I should ask him what he was doing here, he sayd, We are together now.

The chills I had is still embedded in me, the smile though, the smile told me, something has changed,something has happend here and it was good.

Then the horrific truth presented it self: I was not convinved that all was good, so i asked him agian in another manner: WHERE have you been till now ? Those happy Eyes turned into a pool of fear and pain, he stared me strait in the eyes and sayd : I so want to tell you, but the horror of it will ruin you.. The happy moment turned into h3ll, utterly nothing but tears and feeling of Evil that never would let go ..

I get chills just writing about it..I was left with the feeling that he had been 'looking in' all the time since he left here for real, and the horrible thing he wanted to tell me but couldnt, was that he constantly was seeing what hes children was doing..When ever, no matter ...

If it is proof of after life, Im not to say , but I still fear that day when I die that I get confronted with what I have done here...

reply to post by Krystian


I think you have missed my point.

Let me put it another way, will it be commonplace to know what happens after you die, if I could make an analogy;

Sailors many years ago would set out on a voyage not knowing what to expect, monsters, falling off the edge of the world, high winds, lulls, but now all this is taken for granted.
Sailors many years ago would set out on a voyage

reply to post by Republican08


Lets take on that then, will there be a time when we can say with proof thats what happens when we die.

reply to post by ChemBreather


Was all of this a dream?

reply to post by dan steely


Yes, ? why ?
2nd line !!

reply to post by Geladinhu


you should be aware that Death is the work of satan and his minions..

Convincing us that the life we have is the only one, are their weapon against us, we kling to it and will do any thing to keep it..

Sad but true, by constantly reminding us that we could die at any moment and that they know best is how they get ahead with their agenda, they do nothing, they plan it out and we do it for them..

reply to post by ChemBreather


When your wife called you into the living room, I thought at this point you had woken up and had an apparition of your father.

I had a dream once, where I had a terrible feeling that I could not describe, when I told familly and friends they told me it was a nightmare, but it was much, much more than that, like you it gave me chills, and effected me for many days.

reply to post by ChemBreather


Well then, I gotta say that I'm deeply grateful to Satan.
Seriously, how could I remember how to live rightfully if he wasn't there to keep rubbing in my face that I could die at any minute?
It has just the opposite effect on me. It helps me NOT to cling to anything by making me realize that everything could and will vanish in a blink of an eye.

reply to post by ChemBreather


The strong man was bound, his house pilfered until there was nothing left.

reply to post by Republican08


You hit the nail on the head! I don't get what's so hard to get about that.
When the fat lady sings... It's over.

Star and flag worthy.

[edit on 17-7-2009 by Sundancer]

reply to post by Sundancer


Fine already, this thread is not what happens when you die but when will we KNOW what happens.

reply to post by dan steely


That's actually very very very simple.
We will know what happens when we experience it.

Originally posted by dan steely
Do you think it is possible that we will ever know for sure what happens when, and after we die.

If someone had said two hundred or more years ago, that will we ever know what its like in space, I don't think this would have been regarded as a scientific question, more of a question that could never been answered, over to you.

Yes a time will come. Unfortunately it will take one massive leap of understanding by humanity to move past our indoctrinated beliefs in order to grasp the simplest of truths.

Those of us who really do work with the dead, take them to where they need to go, and understand what does happen after that, have tried to tell others about it and only ever recieve derision and disbelief. Which is a reaction based 100% in the indoctrinated beliefs we are attached to that tell us nothing else can possibly be real if it does not fit in with these beliefs we hold onto blindly as ultimate truths.

From my work experience I can tell you this:- when a deadie (as I call them) arrives in the arrival zone (my name for it) I have seen them start to wake-up as if the life they had here was only the dream and what they experience above that as the reality. So in effect we could say life here in the world is a dream and we will wake up from it when the body is dropped.

reply to post by Tayesin


At last, thank you.

How do you think this will manifest itself, you see I am not talking about a belief, but as a fact, imagine a surgeon sitting next to your bed and explaining an operation, well thats along the lines I am talking about, only a different specialist talking about the afterlife, forgive me, not spiritual but in a matter of fact format.

I dont think we'll ever know for sure. And as depressing as it sounds, I truly think that when we die then thats it. No lake of fire/pearly gates/floating around on clouds... or anything to that effect.
Main reason is because is that any theories etc that seem to be associated with an afterlife make f all sense.

Examples

1. Reincarnation - I guess an afterlife would open that one up that one a bit more... and it makes no sense. People get reincarnated so they can apparantly learn lessons. Yet psychics & whoever else never mention anyone being reincarnated, and how would any family member or friend ever be able to 'check in on you' or communicate with psychics, if they're already in a new body?

2. This whole heaven & hell stuff. Say a close family member or whoever passed away and in their life they had done something bad which means they go to hell. You go to a psychic and get a reading, no psychic EVER mentions that a loved one is currently getting a good old rodgering from satan in the depths of hell or whatever. Heaven never gets mentioned either.

3. People who have OBE's and manage to get to somewhere that looks like heaven. I get the idea that you see whatever you believe would look like heaven.. but how would this really work? Say your idea of heaven was a huge desert, and you wanted to see a loved one. And their idea of heaven is say a forest. How would that work.. would you need to meet in some sort of neutral zone?

4. The extremely dodgy lines of communication there appears to be between us and the afterlife. Ive read a couple of stories about how some scientists/scientist said that when they died, they would come back and give absolute proof that there was an afterlife. And they dont. I understand that there may be some special law or whatever. But why doesnt this apply to ghosts who do things such as throwing things across the room & making other apparant big signs that they are there?

5. I dont understand what the ultimate goal. I know the general idea is to learn and become more enlightened. But where does this come to a conclusion? Im sure there's a stupidly large amount of stuff we could learn... but what happens when we've learned all we can? Do we become a being on the same level of God?... And if so, then what?


Actually, I suppose most of those arent actual reasons not to believe there is an afterlife, just confusing questions that cant be answered!

Ah well, I dont see much point worrying about it anyway. If there is an afterlife then great, and if not then it doesnt matter because we wont be around to get depressed about it! Either way, we cant change whatever the outcome is so its probably quite counter-productive worrying about it.