Apollo Hardware Spotted!

Originally posted by palg1
The moon has a gravitational effect that is approximately 1/6th that on earth.

....According to NASA.

Have you got an independent verification that the moon's gravity is 1/6th that of Earth's? (ie. one lacking any NASA involvement)

Maybe if you posted that he would reconsider.



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Originally posted by QuantumusFirst of all the 0-factor is compared to earth's 1/6th gravity, which I see you completely fail to understand.

If I fail to understand it, it is only because you fail to put words together in such a way as to form a coherent idea.

What does "0-factor is compared to earth's 1/6th gravity" even mean? Those words, in that order, seem to have no bearing on what is actually being discussed here.

Is English not your first language? Because there really seems to be a communication barrier here.

Originally posted by nataylor

Originally posted by QuantumusFirst of all the 0-factor is compared to earth's 1/6th gravity, which I see you completely fail to understand.

If I fail to understand it, it is only because you fail to put words together in such a way as to form a coherent idea.

What does "0-factor is compared to earth's 1/6th gravity" even mean? Those words, in that order, seem to have no bearing on what is actually being discussed here.

Is English not your first language? Because there really seems to be a communication barrier here.

Yeah I'm sorry, English is not my first language it's kind off my 5th so I'm quite fine the way I put my words in there.

Having said that it was nice talking to all the Moonvideo defenders, I quite enjoyed the replies, unlike some other sites where people don't know what to answer. My intention was to see the defense of the HOAX and see reactions. I am truly happy that I got quite smart answers compared to other forums. Keep up the good work ATSers

Much love

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....According to NASA.

Have you got an independent verification that the moon's gravity is 1/6th that of Earth's?

That old boondoggle again? Haven't we gotten past that yet???

This notion of the Lunar gravity being higher than "revealed" by NASA started from bad math --- someone who shall remain nameless tried to calculate the theoritical point between Earth/Moon where the two gravitational attractions would exactly cancel out, and thus he arrived at a new figure for Lunar gravity. Problem is, the math isn't that simple, when you're involving two masses that are in motion.

Unfortunately for the 'greater mass' believers, actual observations and Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion refute them.

Besides....at least three other space agencies have now orbited spacecraft around the Moon. SO...the 1/6th figure does NOT just come from NASA!!!

Unless you want to imagine the USSR/Russia, China and Japan are all in cahoots too???

Originally posted by weedwhacker

Unless you want to imagine the USSR/Russia, China and Japan are all in cahoots too???

Is that what you think?

Why would you think that they are all in cahoots?

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by weedwhacker

Unless you want to imagine the USSR/Russia, China and Japan are all in cahoots too???

Is that what you think?

Why would you think that they are all in cahoots?

What are you talking about?

He said "Unless you want to imagine the USSR/Russia, China and Japan are all in cahoots"

Originally posted by Exuberant1
Have you got an independent verification that the moon's gravity is 1/6th that of Earth's? (ie. one lacking any NASA involvement)

Yes. It's called the earth-moon barycenter, and if the moon's gravity were significantly different than 1/6th, the barycenter would be completely off of where it "should" be. That would have a direct impact on the apparent locations of the sun and planets.
www.cv.nrao.edu...
This is the "NASA" source giving us the ephemerides based on the barycenter's location, but if they disagreed with observations it would be immediately evident to amateur astronomers who depend on these predictions.

Originally posted by Exuberant1

Originally posted by palg1
The moon has a gravitational effect that is approximately 1/6th that on earth.

....According to NASA.

Have you got an independent verification that the moon's gravity is 1/6th that of Earth's? (ie. one lacking any NASA involvement)

Maybe if you posted that he would reconsider.

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Actually, it's according to anyone who can do math...

The Mass of the Moon can be determined by observing it's orbit around the Earth (which has been done by many poeple -- not just NASA) and using formulas for orbital motion developed 400 years ago by Johannes Kepler.

Then, once you get the mass of the Moon (7.35 × 10^22 kg), and the radius of the Moon (1.74 × 10^6 meters), which can also be found by people other than NASA, you can plug those values into the following equation:

Acceleration due to gravity on the Moon (Agrav[moon]) = GxM / R^2
(which is based on Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation)

where:

- The Gravitational Constant (G) is 6.67 x 10^-11 meters^3 per kg^-1 per second^-2
- Moon's mass (M) is 7.35 × 10^22 kg.
- The Moon’s radius (R) is 1.74 × 10^6 meters

Agrav [moon] = GxM / R^2

= (6.67 × 10^-11) x (7.35 × 10^22) / (1.74 × 10^6)^2

Therefore:
Acceleration due to Gravity of the Moon = 1.62 meters/sec^2

...which is 1/6 that measured on Earth.

This is found by using observations that could be made by many different astronomers and by using formulas developed by Newton and Kepler.

It has nothing to do with NASA. Humans knew that the Moon's gravity was 1/6 that of the earth's even before NASA existed.


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Originally posted by Quantumus

Originally posted by Kandinsky
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So... where is this all explained? Are we to re-define physics and all of science to the needs of a hoax? As a hobbit would say "Me thinks not".

Hobbit or not, you should read the first 3-4 pages

It's all explained with video and highlighted images. Light sources? Van Allen Belt? Both discussed and explained at length.

Aha, so... the flag was taken out sitting straight like that? And on top of that the flag does MOVE like it "shouldn't", second "the moonlight outshines the stars MAKES ME LOL OUT LOUD (sorry for the caps), so the light is so bright that we can see the pitch black space behind but not the stars? (you really take me for sheep).

1. The moon is not exactly ordinary mirror, as you can see on any "moon" video the ground isn't that bright (not that it matters since we are talking about the stars not the ground).

2. You can't reflect light in space to block out stars even the sun can NOT do that.

And once again back at the flag problem, for all the HARDCORE defenders out there, when he plants the flag the flag flaps downwards so fast(EARTH GRAVITY) no 0-gravity flag would do that. From physics-point of view this is all extremely funny to no END. So no DO NOT point me to videos or "explanations" I have seen them all countless times and it's just another "we are ignoring that trying to explain something we can" presentation-type.

P.S: Edited to add this:
I just re-watched the entire video and I was laughing hard ONCE AGAIN, when they were trying to plant the flag it's waving like mad. Very very funny, but not saying I don't like it!

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Answer to one

Are you smoking something the STARS dont show on pictures because of exposure times. The moon is lit by the sun so pics require similar exposure times as taking a pic on a sunny day on earth!

Answer to 2

Your wrong the Sun is bright enough when taking A PHOTOGRAPH see answer to one above.

The only time the flag moves are after Astronauts have been touching it and as no atmosphere to slow down it takes a few seconds to settle.

Answer to number 3 YOUR education

Did you get one?

Originally posted by weedwhacker-- someone who shall remain nameless tried to calculate the theoritical point between Earth/Moon where the two gravitational attractions would exactly cancel out, and thus he arrived at a new figure for Lunar gravity.

That would be von Braun printed in Time Magazine 1969

Unless you want to imagine the USSR/Russia, China and Japan are all in cahoots too???

But of course they are. NASA has cooperative agreements with all of them and Buzz Aldrin is working with the Chinese on anti gravity.

You really need to get out more. Besides I have shown you the agreements many times.

As they say a picture is worth a thousand words...




Caption
On his first day of visiting China, Administrator Griffin presents a picture montage with a flown American and Chinese flags to President and CEO, China Academy of Space Technology, Dr. Yuan Jiajun.

Believe what you will... doesn't make you right

Originally posted by zorgon
On his first day of visiting China, Administrator Griffin presents a picture montage with a flown American and Chinese flags to President and CEO, China Academy of Space Technology, Dr. Yuan Jiajun.

Believe what you will... doesn't make you right

What does any of this have to do with the topic? A commemorative montage proves the Chinese are in cahoots with the US in hiding the real gravitational strength of the moon? I guess we'll see that coverup exposed then when LCROSS hits the moon earlier than its predicted time, and in that way it vaguely relates to LRO, which in turn relates to the topic... I agree with the last line though. I know whether or not the planets and sun show up in their correct locations, so nothing anyone else believes will change that.

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Originally posted by zorgon


That would be von Braun printed in Time Magazine 1969

Here's the article.
Can you please point out where Von Braun says the gravitational forces cancelled each other? I can't seem to find him saying anything (unless you can show he wrote the article.)
www.time.com...

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Man on the Moon-The Journey

WERNHER VON BRAUN

From Collier's October 18, 1952

**excerpt**
Our momentum has dropped off to almost nothing, yet we're about to pick up speed. For now we begin falling toward the moon, about 23,600 miles away.

OK...1952.

von Braun's assertionis that after LOI, the 'coasting' will slow, due to Earth's gravitational pull, until the Moon's pull takes over, and acceleration begins again. At 23,600 miles --- "about".

Certainly, the math was refined more, and more, with successful unmanned satellites and landers. Wouldn't the mass of the Moon be obvious by then?

Oh...there's that darn Kepler, too. Dag nabbit!
www.starships.com...


[edit on 21 July 2009 by weedwhacker]

I have absolutely NO idea why people keep talking about the distance between the Earth and the Moon when trying to calculate the effect of gravity on a body on or near the surface of the Moon...

...for example, would we care about the distance between Earth and Pluto when trying to calculate the effect of gravity felt by an object on the surface of Pluto? No, of course we wouldn't.

Sure, when you are in space somewhere between the Earth and the Moon, you must take into account the distance you are from the Earth to know the earth's gravitational pull on you. HOWEVER, we are talking about a body on or near the surface of the Moon -- not in space between the Earth and the Moon. The Earth is practically irrelevant.

Let me get this straight. You're going to take the word of an agency that used a bunch of Nazi scientists brought over under Operation Paperclip, an agency that is responsible for the murder of the three Apollo 1 astronauts on the launch pad, an agency that is responsible for the murder of safety inspector Thomas Baron and his wife and child, an agency that has for 62 or more years hid the existence of UFO's, i.e. NASA, that humans actually landed on and walked on the moon, because of some grainy small photos that could be anything? Such as unmanned probes? You do know that Armstrong had to eject from the so-called Lunar lander in flight tests on earth because the p.o.s. was uncontrollable and wouldn't work right don't you? Riiiiiight. I bet the people who believe the moon landings were real also think one guy with an crappy obsolete malfunctioning rife and lousy scope fired 3 bullets in less than 6 seconds and hit a guy in a car moving away from him in the back, in a wound that did not exit, exiting his throat leaving a 3mm would of entrance as it exited, hung in the air for 1.8 seconds, made a right turn and moved downward hitting another guy in the back, breaking off his 5th right rib, exited below his nipple and then hitting his right wrist radius bone, then turned left and hit his leg, and after that worked it's way out of the first guy's back onto a stretcher at Parkland Hospital that didn't carry either man's body, and also caused about 4 other bullet marks too, and remained in pristine condition all the while, huh?

The moon landings were real? So they managed to protect astronauts from radiation requiring at 6 inches of shielding with a few millimeters of mylar? They got clear pictures of figures and objects with the light source (the sun) behind them? There was no dust on the legs of the lunar lander, there was no flame from the exhaust of the LEM, there was no dust kicked up when the engines of it supposedly ignited, that the "astronauts" were moving around at earth gravity, not the moon's gravity, and a wind was blowing that flag they were planting on whatever soundstage they were on, and there are no stars visible in the photos...you do know that don't you? It blows my mind that anyone would believe that cockamamie moon landing story these days. Any photos NASA puts out are fake in support of a phony story.

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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by zorgon

 

Man on the Moon-The Journey

WERNHER VON BRAUN

From Collier's October 18, 1952

**excerpt**
Our momentum has dropped off to almost nothing, yet we're about to pick up speed. For now we begin falling toward the moon, about 23,600 miles away.

OK...1952.

Okay so WHO was it that was going to the Moon in 1952?

You do realize he was head of Project Horizon, don't you?



Well no problemo enjoy your fantasy... I.m gonna go find Mike

[edit on 21-7-2009 by zorgon]

Originally posted by ngchunterA commemorative montage proves the Chinese are in cahoots with the US in hiding the real gravitational strength of the moon?

Well that post was in answer to a question on whether or not China was in cahoots..

But then what does all this gravity stuff have to do with your original OP

I guess things are only relevant when they fit your viewpoint



[edit on 21-7-2009 by zorgon]

Originally posted by LoneBikerOfTheApocalypse
Let me get this straight. You're going to take the word of an agency that used a bunch of Nazi scientists brought over under Operation Paperclip, an agency that is responsible for the murder of the three Apollo 1 astronauts on the launch pad, an agency that is responsible for the murder of safety inspector Thomas Baron and his wife and child, an agency that has for 62 or more years hid the existence of UFO's, i.e. NASA...

Source for these accusations? I don't need one for paperclip, I know of that but the others. Something credible please.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
Source for these accusations? I don't need one for paperclip, I know of that but the others. Something credible please.

The Gus Grissom conspiracy about him being silenced because he was about to blow the whistle is not hard to find on ATS or the web, same goes with the safety inspector/ If I have time later I will U2U some links but you can easily look it up

His own family is the one pushing that story...

But not for this thread the natives are already restless

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Ok, taking a closer look at your post you must know that these points have been debunked several times in this thread and others. If you refuse to aknowledge scientific facts then you shouldn't post as what you say is just a lie.