A theory I thought of about the afterlife.

I know I'm drifting away from Afterlife theory, so I'll try to bring it about.

I don't "believe," I know that there's some sort of Universal Consciousness. I don't call it God, because it's not a god. I know that it responds in predictable ways to our entreaties, to our prayers, if you will.

I think we can talk to the Universe, and it will answer. I think it's a universal phenomenon.

I think that all of our many and diverse religions are attempts to describe this phenomenon. Unfortunately, we complicate the description with all these evil-eye ju-ju demons, martyrs and messiahs.

I think it's a living phenomenon, a consciousness that is neither good nor evil, that is not judgmental, but that permeates the Universe with curiosity and a bit of humor, and why not?

As for the "Afterlife"... When you withdraw your hand from a sock puppet, the puppet ceases to be animate, ceases to be funny, ceases to have a personality, it ceases everything. It's dead. The sock puppet on your other hand may even express grief over the untimely passing of its buddy, but you can allay its sorrow by simply plucking the sock off of your other hand.

So, there are two dead sock puppets, and YOU are the afterlife.... and the before-life... Those sock puppets were not filled with two separate souls, they were filled with ONE consciousness. That's YOU, the Central Controller, the one that runs the show, right.

Somebody may call you "god" but you just brush it off.

When the little physical body dies, this is what happens: All your Human memories, thoughts, emotions, skills, they all switch off. Poof. Whatever "identity" you had before is purged. All of your talents and achievements and loves and everything that you ever held dear is cast off like so much sirloin.

That's it for the body. Lights Out. Game Over.

None of that sentimental stuff follows you into the afterlife — I mean, this is a big break from conventional crazy talk.

All of that Heaven and Hell crap is way back there on the lower shelf, it's so archaic it belongs in some goddamned Globe Theatre production. Little angels with goose feathers, devils with batwings, a Pope pointing skyward, stagecraft flames and so forth.

How dramatic.

What you find immediately after your life is stripped away — that's kind of what it feels like, like you're being pulled apart, stripped, until there's nothing left but a blinking cursor — is a place that I call the Infinity Point.

That's the point at which you either make the decision to remain in suspension, kind of hanging out in the diaphanous aether, swimming about in this cosmic fishbowl of knowledge of everything in the universe and the multiverse or you make a decision to...

Incarnate.

Get yer feet on the ground. So you sacrifice — sacrifice — your cosmic omniscience and choose to incarnate.... as a bug or a bit of lichen or a tadpole or a microbe or whatever.

And, as the embodiment of the Universal Consciousness, you do all of this about

465 Octillion times.

Every nanosecond.

All. Over. The. Multiverse.

Wow.

It's all birthing and deathing like popcorn out there kids, it's the most natural thing in the world. Pop! Weeee!

So. There you have it, an essentially complete and unabridged description and definition of the Afterlife AS IT IS, written by the Creator himself. (I'm patting myself on the back).







Except... I'm serious.






— Doc Velocity








[edit on 7/18/2009 by Doc Velocity]

reply to post by Doc Velocity


That sounds like a real belief a little bit of something wrong like your memories leaving but it has a good part to either incarnate or be all knowing. Which would u pick though. I cant wait to see whats after this life.

reply to post by Deus Ex Machina 42


Ok think about this. If your dreaming and you get hurt do you feel pain? No because your body isnt there with you. What then happens if hell is real which obviously isn't? When you go to hell according to the bible and other scriptures your body isnt with you so how do you feel all this pain they say you feel. Simple...YOU DONT. you cant feel pain unless your body is with you.
But I dont believe in heaven/hell so ehh

reply to post by Mark_Amy


Yea thats what i believe right now but i want something to be after. really think about it. how could u possibly stop thinking it doesnt seem possible does it. but it probably is thats probably what happens but i hope something is after not any religion just something.

reply to post by pudgeego


Yes you can. When your dying or feel like your about to then your body does many things and your mind does even more. You hallucinate. Theres always the possibility that whatever we think happens actually happens just like a dream forever.

Originally posted by lycanlance
That sounds like a real belief a little bit of something wrong like your memories leaving but it has a good part to either incarnate or be all knowing. Which would u pick though. I cant wait to see whats after this life.

Well, I'll tell ya something, my wolfy friend... I didn't learn this from a hypocritical church or a coven of stupid witches or a gang of comet-chasing cultists. I found my spirituality, my way of thinking and knowing (not believing) through a near-death encounter.

Several encounters, actually. It was pounded into my head not by Bible-thumpers, but by Fate itself. Yes, I do consider it a miracle, or at least a case of divine intervention. Not intervention by God or Satan, but by the Universe itself.

And I'll leave it at that.

— Doc Velocity

reply to post by Doc Velocity


You know what I think you might have conviced me to change my beliefs that sounds probably true. How did you learn this from a NDE i hope you know what that means. lol

Dude, I think I'm going to have to write a book to explain it. It's a long story, and it hasn't ended yet!

But let's say that I should've been dead on more than one occasion. Not close-calls, not piss-ant stuff. Here's just one example...

My C1 vertebra (the "Atlas vertebra" at the base of the skull) was shattered in an 80 mph head-on car wreck. Drunk driver hit me head-on. Nine days in Intensive Care, they were waiting for me to die, right.

Didn't die.

On the ninth day in ICU, where I was strung up like a tennis racket with all kinds of immobilization gear, a doc came in and informed me that the wound had healed.

I was, like, WTF?

And the doctor was WTF right back at me. He sat there for about a half hour saying "It couldn't have healed that fast. But it healed that fast."

I never said it was a miracle. The cranial specialist at St. Luke's ICU in the Texas Medical Center was the one who used the term "miracle"... repeatedly. The scientist was the guy talking about miracles, not me.

It was one of those cases where a whole lot of Science people working in the Texas Medical Center became very spiritual very swiftly. It happens from time to time.

— Doc Velocity





[edit on 7/18/2009 by Doc Velocity]

reply to post by Doc Velocity


now thats a very interesting view. a universal consence is something i've concidered before but didn't spend much time but i still concider it in my veiw of the universe.

in fact that just gave me an interesting thought, if we are a collective of cell then the a universal consienceness is a collective of us. how ever thing becomes as infinitly complex as your belif as they both remove the significanse of our indaviduality.

so for know i think i'll stick with my belief of symbiosis, that as the body is a collection of cell working to survive and grow, the soul and body do the same.

but i'm always happy to be proven wrong

oh and lycanlance, don't let the religous nuts bother you so much, if they can't acept that people can actualy think on there own than its there problem. but keep in mind that when serching for answer you may not like what you find.

one last thing i have to say is why are people so convinced that there is a reason for every thing? there maybe a how but that doesn't mean there is a why.

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reply to post by Doc Velocity


Maybe you have super healing abilities. Anything is possible. I think something is wrong with me to lol. Check my other post for info on that. lol. but wow im glad to hear your ok. im gonna have to think on your belief. it seems very believable.

reply to post by RokNinja


I try to not let them bother me but some people even if i say in the beginning of the post that i dont want to hear any religious things. They still force jesus and god on me. it ticks me off but ahh i can deal with it thanks for all of your input. =]

Although I don't believe anything happens when we die, in pure speculation I think your theory would have opposite results.

Religious people often times have some of the guiltiest consciences. They feel bad for doing things that are not bad but they are regarded as sin. A husband feels bad if he has desires for another woman, they feel guilty if they have a drink, or gamble. Think of Ned Flanders.

The "sinners" don't care. They do what they want and don't feel bad later.

So if our feeling of guilt determined the nature of our dream after death, sinners would go to heaven, and the scared religious types would go to hell.

Nobody knows what happens after death. My common sense says nothing happens, just my opinion, and I don't say others are wrong. How we feel and think is based on chemicals interacting in living cells. If those cells die, no more thoughts or feelings. The End.

Originally posted by lycanlance
I was bored one day and I thought about a logical way to believe in an afterlife. I am an atheist though this is still a logical way of thinking in my opinion.

Ok let me start, you know how some people believe in heaven and hell. I have a logical way to explain this. They say that you lead a good life and don't sin so you go to heaven and if you do the opposite then you go to hell. Well think about this ok, when your going through life you lead a good life and have basically a happy life and you are content with what you have done, your conscious is guilt free.

When you die your mind might and might not go away forever. If the soul exists then thats the only way my theory could be possible. When you die and you have done what I mentioned above your mind is happy therefore you kind of have a good dream as everyone knows your dreams are whatever you want them to be so your "heaven" would be a dream world that you control.

Has anyone noticed you cant really make anything happen in a nightmare its like its already planned and nothing you can do about it. Its not a nightmare as it would be if you had a bad life and have a guilty conscious when you died that would create the "hell" you would experience.

Tell me what you think.

Also to add, Dreams could be a peak at what awaits us after we die..

It could be showing us small fragments of what life could be like after and that way when it happens it's not a "first time" experience but is at least somewhat familiar to us............

I think that is only a small portion of it's purpose..

O and yes I like the thought you brought up......actually comforting knowing that thought is coming from an atheist..

reply to post by Doc Velocity


PRO TIP

That was not magic fate saving you that was Science in the guise of Modern Medicine.

Go thank a Doctor, not some magical force looking out for you.

You would never even have had to chance to think "Wow how strange that my body healed fast!" if it were not FOR the Doctors in ICU.

Thank you modern medicine for saving Doc Velocity's life!

reply to post by lycanlance


Whether you think he exists or not, we're still governed by a set of laws. Honestly, the soul can't exist without God. And you haven't researched that thoroughly since there are ideas about God which it seems obvious that you haven't explored. That's where I sort of laugh, since atheists seem just about as educated about God as religious people. Both are clueless.

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I dont care and I dont want to hear about jesus or god. So your wasting your time posting on here. God isnt real. Whether you believe or not i dont care. God doesnt have to exist and atheists are not clueless we know what we believe and what we want. I agree that neither are proven right or wrong but there is more proof of no god then proof of one. So the soul doesnt need a god to exist it just needs an energy or a body which (shocker) we have a body for our soul. god has nothing to do with it.

reply to post by BenIndaSun


It doesnt matter in my theory it all depends on if your happy with what all you have done in life.

For all our modern medical techniques, doctors still don't really do anything all that special to treat a massive head wound with crushed vertebrae underneath like the one Doc suffered. I would surmise that they clean the wound, immobilize the body, administer drugs and wait. (in this case, they waited for the patient to die in 'relative' comfort as they didn't expect him to live) IMO, Doc received pretty much the same treatment that's been used for the last 100 years or so. Most hospitals would have been prepping Doc's body for organ donation in his condition.

There were no sci-fi type nano-machines used to repair damage to Doc's flesh, bone and nerves. No instant re-growing of Doc's damaged body parts using his DNA. Other than the probable anesthetic, antibiotics and immobilization/traction gear, Doc just lay there as the many patients before him since the beginning of the last century to either pull through or die. And based on his injuries and their past experience with other patients, they figured on the latter. While I do concede that the immobilization techniques are much more clever that in the last 50 years or so, they really didn't do much more for Doc than they have since pre-industrial times.

Also, why would they bring so many other medical experts to see Doc to personally witness his recovery if it were not extraordinary? Why were THEY the ones kicking around the 'M' word? I don't know about any god, force, luck or whatever intervening to save Doc, but I do know that it's quite amazing to say the least. And so did the medical staff at the hospital.

As for the afterlife, who knows? It is perhaps beyond human understanding. Yet most would agree (deep down) that there isn't one. While many NDEs are believed attributable to Dimethyltryptamine (and possibly other chemicals) released in the brain when death approaches, it is not clear and neither is the nature or understanding of human consciousness.

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reply to post by synchro


Im an atheist and honestly I hope there is an afterlife. But I know there is no god. if there was then i would feel wrong or guilty for not believing and i dont. I just somehow feel like i KNOW god isnt real. Im hoping something is after life just not heaven or hell.

reply to post by BenIndaSun


you don't have to belive in god to be a good persion and beleving in him doesn't make you one ethier. if infact it makes you arraogant, if your the favourate creation of god then everything's beneath you. there are a long list of evil people in history who truly belived they were doing gods work.



[edit on 18-7-2009 by RokNinja]