Fellow ATS members, I am scared....

reply to post by Krystian


I am from Delaware,and understand your pain.I raise 4 little children alone and I can tell you the economy here is terrible.I work as a personal mechanis for residents in the communities because they cannot affoed to pay a garage.7 millionares have just left our state due to the economic collaps,you may think this is not much,but it made the front page of the news journal,wich is our state paper.there are lots of emty homes here as well,food lines are growing and different classes of people are showing up in them.there are buisnesses still closing and major home forclosures,it takes up the job section,were it used to be,many many sherrif sales.park and rides here are empty except for mall shoppers or people trying to save a buck.this is not getting better and I am also deeply concerned,since my wifes death,I carry the burden of raising our children alone.believe me your not alone in your worry.we moved in with my sister to try to make it together,my brotherinlaws company is cutting back on employees,laying people off one week a month now.
In my opinion this is definately being done on purpose.I am concerned because on youtube they show videoes of thousands and thousands of coffins,and for what?
alex jones made a video insisting that they are fir us in the future.a holocust?something more terrible is comming to us,I am sure of it.How many of us truly have enough food to last a month,or even dare say a year?truthfuly,millions alone could die from just starvation alone in america,our home,were we thought we were safe,my brothers and sisters ,rome is returning with a terrible vengence.
you should investigate the georgia guidestones wich can be seen on youtube.it is not a joke,these people are very serious,very serious.and deadly,they donot care about your feelings your sorrows or strenghts and weaknesses.history shows us upon carefulk study thAt mankind is cruel and power hungry.try to understand,his cruelty is going to florish,and we are in it's path my friends.mans technology shall far surpass his humanity.and it is.peoples hearts are growing cold,and in cities it is worse.
check out the tent cities,there will be more,more people on welfare,you have a right to be scared,we are in the midst of the new nazi germany,and we will be the new hlocust if this keeps up.keep extra food if possible money will do you no good,gold can be traded for life essentials handy trades will help to keep you fed with the more fortunate.learn to forge if you can,for those in the cities,look now for a home outside of them,they will be the first to become truly deperate.good luck your not alone .

reply to post by Krystian


I am from Delaware,and understand your pain.I raise 4 little children alone and I can tell you the economy here is terrible.I work as a personal mechanis for residents in the communities because they cannot affoed to pay a garage.7 millionares have just left our state due to the economic collaps,you may think this is not much,but it made the front page of the news journal,wich is our state paper.there are lots of emty homes here as well,food lines are growing and different classes of people are showing up in them.there are buisnesses still closing and major home forclosures,it takes up the job section,were it used to be,many many sherrif sales.park and rides here are empty except for mall shoppers or people trying to save a buck.this is not getting better and I am also deeply concerned,since my wifes death,I carry the burden of raising our children alone.believe me your not alone in your worry.we moved in with my sister to try to make it together,my brotherinlaws company is cutting back on employees,laying people off one week a month now.
In my opinion this is definately being done on purpose.I am concerned because on youtube they show videoes of thousands and thousands of coffins,and for what?
alex jones made a video insisting that they are fir us in the future.a holocust?something more terrible is comming to us,I am sure of it.How many of us truly have enough food to last a month,or even dare say a year?truthfuly,millions alone could die from just starvation alone in america,our home,were we thought we were safe,my brothers and sisters ,rome is returning with a terrible vengence.
you should investigate the georgia guidestones wich can be seen on youtube.it is not a joke,these people are very serious,very serious.and deadly,they donot care about your feelings your sorrows or strenghts and weaknesses.history shows us upon carefulk study thAt mankind is cruel and power hungry.try to understand,his cruelty is going to florish,and we are in it's path my friends.mans technology shall far surpass his humanity.and it is.peoples hearts are growing cold,and in cities it is worse.
check out the tent cities,there will be more,more people on welfare,you have a right to be scared,we are in the midst of the new nazi germany,and we will be the new hlocust if this keeps up.keep extra food if possible money will do you no good,gold can be traded for life essentials handy trades will help to keep you fed with the more fortunate.learn to forge if you can,for those in the cities,look now for a home outside of them,they will be the first to become truly deperate.good luck your not alone .

reply to post by Jim Scott


Ahahaha! That link reminds me. Last year they keep telling the media that recovery would come. Japan would recover by June 2009, so would the rest of the world, then it became first quarter of 2010, then 2nd, etc. blah blah blah...then it's 2011, then 2012...

Please don't tell me you believe that crap?

Originally posted by getreadyalready

reply to post by Discotech

 

I think it hilarious though you're willing to kill & cook a rabbit but when it comes to the easy part of actually eating it, you suddenly have moral issues ?

My wife is this way also. Even with chicken! She likes chicken, but it has to already be prepared. She can't eat it off the bone, and if she has to cook and prepare it, she won't eat it!

I understand. Sometimes you see the arteries and tendons. If she runs across something like that while she is eating, she is finished!

So, either she prepares it, or she eats it, but never both. Since she ways 98 lbs, I wind up doing the preparing, because I want her to eat!

As for paranoid, the OP is right on! Food prices have increased dramatically since gas prices went up, and they never came back down. Especially if you are buying name brand stuff. I typically buy private label, but there are some things that just aren't the same. There are some private labels that are better too!

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Discotech, yes you get it. My mom tried to show me how to cut up a whole chicken one time (and I love chicken) I wanted to learn, OMG I asked her why in the H#ll anyone would do something so gross. She said honey we had no choice we were hungry and we did not have Kroger and its meat department where everything is cut up and neat and clean. Wow, I mutilated that chicken and got so sick doing it. So when I fixed the rabbit I told my husband that I think I ate it growing up because I never seen it prepared. My mom fixed it and put it on the table, the end. So you are right I get sick looking at raw meat with bones and if I come across a vein.. Hello, I am done... Funny I worked in a funeral home and assisted in preparing the bodies and that never made me sick but then again I wasn't preparing them to eat... People are funny we all have our quirks. Thank you so much for having the intelligence to understand. As for the off brand stuff I eat mostly off brand stuff, just a handful of name brand things I really like, but we have a Save-A-Lot and I prefer their canned goods over name brands. Their spaghetti sauce is so much better than name brand it is not even funny. YUM!

reply to post by jefferymiller67


Jeffery I am sorry to hear of your loss. You are a wonderful man to try to raise your babies on your own and you have my respect, they are lucky to have a dad like you. Thank you for such a heart felt post. I am glad to see that I am not the only one seeing these things. It is real some people just do not want to face reality. Thank you again and God bless.

Melissa 101

reply to post by Melissa101


Melissa, please don't be scared.
I don't know where you are, but there are common sense things that you can do to prepare for hard times.
I know how you feel about having to murder you'r own meat.
Taking the flesh of another being to sustain you'r own is one of the ways mankind has thrived, but if everyone had to do thier own slaughtering there would be more vegans.
Did you know you can raise catfish in a 55 gallon drum on scraps and bargain basement dried dog food? Buy the marked down brands, especially the bags that have been torn and taped up.
You can also grow potatoes year round in 55 gallon drums(indoors for the winter months), even if you live in town, you'll need a southern exposure for you'r drums and used 5 gallon paint buckets.
You can grow tomatoes in 5 gallon buckets year round, you might have to pollinate some blossoms yourself (a lite artist's brush will suffice) but you can grow tomatoes, squash, okra, and a host of other foods.
Having the ability to feed you'r own will relieve much of you'r worry.
You can buy dried beans, pasta, legumes, wheat flour, salt, sugar, cooking oils, and other foods that will keep without refrigeration. Go to stores like the Dollar General, or Fred's, or you'r locally owned supermarket. Buy dented cans. Buy expiring "best if used by" goods, just about everything says it has a two year expiration date because of a New Jersey Law...really. Most canned goods will stay safe to eat far longer.
Arm yourself. I know it sounds radical, but if you must remain in an area where you may encounter human predators you'd be surprised how fast somebody trying to jimmy you'r door will split if you touch off a 45ACP blank cartridge, have a clip of warning shot blanks but be prepared to slap in a clip loaded with 230 grain 45ACP in FMJ, this is a large, relatively slow moving load that will deliver knock down power to even a large assailant, semi automatic handguns in this caliber can be had in a wide variety of price ranges, see you'r local pawn broker.
Remember, self defense is you'r right, the defense of you'r home and family, you'r obligation.
But don't let fear dictate you'r actions.
You see hard times coming.
Think, prepare, survive.
If you are in the city, but have no job, and are having trouble keeping ahead, think about relocating to a rural area, perhaps you have family who are still down on the farm, they may have room for you'r family, or you may find a home to rent nearby, you'll have a larger support base with family in the area.
Should wide-spread rioting and such occur, you'll never see rioters in the country.
Why?
Because everybody is armed.
Good Luck!
And
NO FEAR!

There are more and more self help books available at the bookstores on the topic of the economic pandemonium that is around the corner. Some are really good, full of no nonsense approach to the tough times ahead. I bought one and would recommend it to anyone interested in surviving the ultimate chaos of 2010.





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reply to post by Melissa101


Do not let the current economy get you down.

Strive to live, do not live to strive.

Strive to survive, do not survive to strive.

Strive to get past it all, and you can survive.

The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve

I have lost my cell phone, due to non-payment.

I have lost my cable/cable interenet, due to non-payment.

I have lost my electricity, due to non-payment.

I am in the process of losing my apartment, due to non-payment.

No one in my area is hiring, and I am used to working 2, 3, and 4 jobs simultaneously.

I burned through my entire life savings of $17,000 in this last year, just to stay afloat.

I will make it however. I am just not giving up.

Melissa, do not give up, ATS'ers need to stick together.

reply to post by MrSmith



I work at a homeless shelter for runaway teens and when we run out of treats like juice, cookies and Hot Pockets, they become unmanageable. You haven't seen SHTF until you've tried to convince a bunch of thirsty teens that TAP WATER is better for you than Kool Aid and we weren't planning on ordering any more.

To keep the peace and restore order, we capitulated and resumed buying the kids treats. Mainly to avoid having the kids administer a beat-down to the counselors. I can't tell you how many times I've had to break up a fight because one of the kids ate the last Hot Pocket another one was saving for himself.

I'd hate to think what would happen if Americans couldn't afford to buy Pepsi and Oreos.

The little packets of koolaid/or store brand that you mix up yourselves are really cheap. The store brand is usually 10/15 cents a pack.

Sugar is a lot cheaper than splenda.

reply to post by diabolique


That is funny LOL... I could do without my soda but I prefer that my daughter drink Kool Aid and I make it with splenda which is a natural dirivative of sugar and does not have the same side effects as the other artificail sweetners. I buy kool aid bacause it is .20 a pack here and is sugar free and made with natural flavors. She does drink a lot of water too. I buy it in bottles.

reply to post by stander


Thanks stander I will go look for it at BAM. I need a good survival guide. I have read a lot of information but I need a book to refer to when the SHTF.
Thanks!

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by Melissa101

 

Do not let the current economy get you down.

Strive to live, do not live to strive.

Strive to survive, do not survive to strive.

Strive to get past it all, and you can survive.

The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve

I have lost my cell phone, due to non-payment.

I have lost my cable/cable interenet, due to non-payment.

I have lost my electricity, due to non-payment.

I am in the process of losing my apartment, due to non-payment.

No one in my area is hiring, and I am used to working 2, 3, and 4 jobs simultaneously.

I burned through my entire life savings of $17,000 in this last year, just to stay afloat.

I will make it however. I am just not giving up.

Melissa, do not give up, ATS'ers need to stick together.

Aw, buddy thank you! I am so sorry about your losses. My goodness you have been hit hard. That is what I am talking about. Nest year many more people maybe even me and my family will start to loose our home after we blow through our savings if the job market does not pick up. When you back a human into a corner they tend to revert to animalistic ways to get out. In the paper today a young girl that was pregnant was arrested for stealing food at the grocery store. I am mad at the grocery for not helping her. No she should not steal but my God if I was pregnant and hungry I suppose I might steal too. How sad. This is a prime example of my fear, people who normally would not do anything wrong suddenly find themselves doing it to survive, like stealing. So sad. Hang in their too SpartanKing, we will survive.

reply to post by Melissa101


No it's not. Splenda is a derivative of chlorine. It's idiotic to consume it. Sugar is better as you'll need all those calories when SHTF.

www.splendaexposed.com...

54 bucks?! Where in the world are you shopping?

As much as people hate Wal-Mart, here is a hint: swallow your pride, and think about yourself and your family. I can't fathom how that list of groceries could cost anyone 54 bucks. You are talking 5 bucks per ITEM on that list. You should have paid probably 30 bucks tops, for that amount of groceries (probably less if you shop around).

I've seen a slight rise in groceries, but it's not been that tremendous. It's held pretty steady the last couple of years, really.

You can shot for a LOT less if you shop around, catch the sales, etc. Hamburger not on sale? Chicken at buy 1, get one free? Change your menu and have chicken this week. For crying out loud.. if you are paying that much, you've only yourself to blame.

I'm in Denver, and I did check out the paper last week for jobs, you can't be too cafeful. But for my field (computer networking etc), there were a rather lot of jobs. So it's maybe not as bad as folks act.

Oh.. and one more hint. Do NOT buy your cleaning supplies at the grocery store. You can get them for 1 buck each at most dollar stores now. Large cans of comet cleanser for 1 buck? Bottles of slightly less amazing, but still very effective laundry soap for a buck? Yes please!

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2 year's worth of rice, multivitimins, essential medicines, and access to water or, barring that, at least 1 liter per day per person doe 2 years.

Originally posted by VitalOverdose
Hi maybe you should try changing you diet to stuff without artificial sweetener and MSG. Both of them can make you very ill.

Yeah, and they also can cause pretty major depression too. I used to drink diet pop quite a lot, as well as using artificial sweeteners in my food, and I got very depressed and run down after a while.

Of course, not all of my depression was due to the diet, but when I cut artificial sweeteners from my diet my mood began to increase slowly but steadily.

I've read that artificial sweeteners are carcinogenic (cancer causing) as well.

reply to post by Melissa101

In the paper today a young girl that was pregnant was arrested for stealing food at the grocery store. I am mad at the grocery for not helping her. No she should not steal but my God if I was pregnant and hungry I suppose I might steal too. How sad.

No human should ever be denied food in this day and age!

I have a serious personal issue with beggars and vagrants, but if they ask me for food, I never say no. I won't give them money, but I ALWAYS offer to buy them something to eat. Most of the time, they turn down that offer and try to get cash anyway!

Everyone in that store should have ponied up and bought her some groceries. The store itself should have donated some food. The cops should have even helped out.

WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER THESE DAYS!

Originally posted by Melissa101
In the paper today a young girl that was pregnant was arrested for stealing food at the grocery store. I am mad at the grocery for not helping her. No she should not steal but my God if I was pregnant and hungry I suppose I might steal too. How sad. This is a prime example of my fear, people who normally would not do anything wrong suddenly find themselves doing it to survive, like stealing. So sad.

This reminds me of when I was pregnant with my daughter, although I was not caught. I was homeless and pregnant and ended up having to move back in with my abusive husband because I was too ill to hold down a job between the morning sickness and recovering from the injuries he afflicted upon me. People in the town refused to help me because he was a government employee and people liked him.

Does the newspaper have an online version of the article?

reply to post by Melissa101

Melissa, I really do feel for you. I can certainly understand your sentiments about having to kill and cook the rabbits. Animals are beautiful creatures as I have come to find that are all lives great and small. The media and society have divorced us from the simple fact that life feeds on life. Believe it or not the grass screams when the rabbit eats it - the grass wants to live too. All creatures on this earth feed without questioning the source or morality of what they do; that is a problem unique to our species and particulary among females in the US.
Perhaps your problem is that you have not given proper respect to the lives that have been taken to feed you everyday for your entire existence. We chew and swallow without thinking of what went into that bite we just ate. In order to live something else must die. That is the way of life for all creatures. There is no other way.
It may take some effort but every time you eat try this: Give thanks to your creator (or the earth) for the life that was given that YOU may continue to live. It is the most sacred act we partake in yet so few of us ever give gratitude to that source for our existence.
REJOICE! that life was a GIFT to you that YOU may live. Practice that and you will also find that your own life is richer and fuller for you now have a sacred responsibility to use your life for something special. What that purpose is for you to discover.
Remember you are unique, unique as are the billions of other unique people who are here and have come before you. The differences that are our beauty we have learned to curse in our desire to be like others. There is only one of you! Just one was ever made like you and there will never be another. For all of us that is our sole claim to divinity.
Yes, it was a beautiful life that was given that you may continue and remember that that beauty is now a part of you. You are the rabbit and the rabbit is you. All life is but one life expressed in a million different ways. Eat, give thanks and know that all is as it should be and that you are a part of the great circle of life.
Live well and may peace be your companion always.

regards, Asktheanimals