Financial Proof and More that 9/11 was an Inside Job!

reply to post by mumblyjoe


I will ignore the attempted insult.

I guess I should have posted that there were no chemical explosive caused explosions involved that day

Maybe I should say TNT, or C-4, or thermite, or Semtex, or torpex...

Maybe to prevent you from misunderstanding again, I should say there were no explosive charges in the WTC, but that the explosions heard were a result of the types of things found in a fully involved office fire.


Second thought, its SwampFox, not Swamp_Sweeper, get it right.

mumblyjoe what about this report from april 2009
9 scientist have worked 18 months on a report about what they found in the WTC dust almost 2 years ago
science report
The paper ends with this sentence: “Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”
Interview with Niels Harrit
Professor Niels Harrit of Copenhagen University in Denmark, an Associate Professor of Chemistry. He is an expert in nano-chemistry
Paper on Combustion characteristics of A1 nanoparticles and nanocomposite A1+MoO3 thermites


Red and grey chips found in the dust of WTC

[edit on 20-7-2009 by conar]

The EIR has uncovered some MONUMENTAL evidence about 9-11. It is derived from recently declassified documents from the National Archives.

It implicates Bitish and Saudi Intelligence along with BAE involvement in orchestrating and funding the false flag attack. it also suggests complicity of top officials in the Bush administration

this might be the most important HARD EVIDENCE to date!! it is enough to win a case with the DOJ, and it might even be the reason they open one!

larouchepac.com...

Hello Conar,

You are absolutely correct about the thermite, I was just picking on little Swampy because he so glibly tries to gloss over the facts. The fact that for the Official Fairy-tale to be true, we would have to suspend the laws of science on the day that 911 occurred.

The post just after yours by WinstonSmith911 concerning newly declassified information could prove pivotal in bringing about a new investigation. Lets hope so...

So where does thermite fit into financial proof? Can you show a money trail as to where the 1000's of tons of thermite used came from or the paychecks of the operatives that planted it or the gas receipts from the trucks that transported it?

That would be financial proof.

During the start and completion of the 9/11 Commission Report, 12 out of the 13 experts in the field of Counter-terrorism were denied the opportunity to testify in front of the 9/11 Commission Report.....and the one whistleblower who did testify, had his entire statement removed from the final report except for a single footnote that stated he had been there.

Bogdan Dzakovic,(the only one who actually testified but had his entire statement removed)
Former Red Team Leader; FAA — Mr. Dzakovic had worked for the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration since 1987 as a Special Agent, as a Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshals, and from 1995 until September 11, 2001 was a Team Leader of the Red Team (terrorist team). Mr. Dzakovic had tried for several years prior to the 9/11 attacks to improve aviation security in the face of the ever-increasing terrorist threat. He provided the 9/11 Commission with his testimony and documented reports. His testimony and report to the Commission was completely omitted from the final report.

His Words:

“The Red Team was extraordinarily successful in killing large numbers of innocent people in these simulated attacks,” he told the commissioners. “We breached security up to 90 percent of the time. The FAA suppressed these warnings. Instead, we were ordered not to write up our reports and not to retest airports where we found particularly egregious vulnerabilities, to see if the problems had been fixed. Finally, the agency started providing advance notification of when we would be conducting our ‘undercover’ tests and what we would be ‘checking.’

“What happened on 9/11 was not a failure in the system. Our airports are not safer now than before 9/11. The main difference between then and now is that life is now more miserable for passengers. . . .

“Since 9/11, I learned to have less contempt for the terrorists than I do for the bureaucrats and politicians who could have prevented 9/11 but didn’t,” he told me. “They served in very pivotal positions of influence but due to gross incompetence or the fear of actually fulfilling their oaths of office to defend this country or possibly even something a bit more sinister, they failed to take any action. After 9/11, they all scurried into their little rat holes and waited for the firestorm to burn itself out. Then they crawled out and suddenly they are experts in aviation security."

“Many of the FAA bureaucrats that actively thwarted improvements in security prior to 9/11 have been promoted by FAA or the Transportation Security Administration. I have never in my life been around more gutless, inept and outright ignorant people than I have at TSA headquarters, most of whom are in management. You combine this atmosphere with absolutely no accountability and it is a very dangerous formula for a repeat of 9/11."

Nation Security Whistle Blowers Coalition (SWBC) provided a list of 13 whistleblowers who were prepared to testify before the 9/11 Commission because they had relevant knowledge, but were “turned away, ignored or censored.” Reading through the list gives some idea of what we didn’t find out from the 9/11 Commission and how much of a disservice it did to us.

John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist; FBI — Mr. Cole worked for 18 years in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division as an Intelligence Operations specialist, and was in charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mr. Cole had knowledge of certain activities that directly related to the terror attacks on September 11, 2001. He notified the 9/11 Commission during its investigation, but never received a response. His name and contact information was provided to the Commission as a key witness by other witnesses, but he was never contacted or interviewed.

John Vincent, Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI — Mr. Vincent worked for the FBI for 27½ years before retiring in 2002. He worked his last 8 years in counterterrorism in the FBI’s Chicago Field Office. Mr. Vincent, along with Robert Wright, exposed inefficiencies within the FBI in working counterterrorism cases, and certain warnings they had tried to pursue prior to the 9/11 attack that were directly related to Al-Qaeda’s financial network and money laundering activities. Although he was granted an interview, the commissioners’ investigators refused to let him provide them with information related to his case and the 9/11 terrorists’ network; they insisted on limiting the interview to only administrative and irrelevant questions and issues.

Robert Wright, Veteran Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI — Mr. Wright is a veteran special agent in the FBI Chicago Field Office Counterterrorism Unit. He had been investigating a suspected terrorist cell for three years, when he was informed in January 2001 that the case was being closed. Agent Wright, along with Mr. Vincent, exposed inefficiencies within the FBI in working counterterrorism cases and certain warnings they’d tried to pursue prior to the 9/11 attack that were directly related to Al-Qaeda’s financial network and money laundering activities. Three months before September 11, Wright wrote a stinging internal memo charging that the FBI was not interested in thwarting a terrorist attack, but rather “was merely gathering intelligence so they would know who to arrest when a terrorist attack occurred.” The FBI refused to allow Wright to testify before the 9/11 Commission, however, the Commission did not insist or attempt to subpoena Wright, despite the fact that it had subpoena power.

The National Whistle Blowers Coalition (NWBC)

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Sibel Edmonds, Former Language Specialist; FBI — Ms. Edmonds worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office as a language specialist with Top Secret Clearance performing translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Turkey, Iran, and Turkic speaking Central Asian countries. She contacted the 9/11 Commission in May 2003 and requested a meeting to provide them with information directly related to the terrorist attack. The Commission investigators refused to meet with Edmonds and informed her that due to their limited resources and time they were not going to interview all witnesses. She was able to provide the commission with information and documents only after certain 9/11 family members intervened directly. Ms. Edmonds’ testimony was completely censored by the Commission.

Behrooz Sarshar, Former Language Specialist; FBI — Mr. Sarshar worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office as a language specialist with Top Secret Clearance performing Farsi translations for counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations dealing with Iran and Afghanistan. He had first-hand information of prior specific warning obtained from a reliable informant in April 2001 on the terrorist attacks of September 11. Mr. Sarshar contacted the Commission directly but was refused. He was given an interview with the Commission investigators only after 9/11 family members intervened directly. Mr. Sarshar’s documented testimony was completely omitted from the commissioners final report, despite his case being publicly confirmed by Director Mueller’s Office.

Mike German, Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI — Mr. German served sixteen years as an FBI Special Agent and is one of the rare agents credited with actually having prevented acts of terrorism before it became the FBI’s number one priority. He contacted the Commission in the spring of 2004, but did not receive a response. In 2002 he reported gross mismanagement in a post-9/11 counterterrorism investigation, which included serious violations of FBI policy and federal law. Mr. German contacted the 9/11 Commission during its investigation and requested that he be given an interview session in order to provide them with certain domestic counterterrorism investigations that he’d pursued. According to Mr. German there were links between certain domestic and international counterterrorism related to the September 11 attacks. The 9/11 Commissioners refused to acknowledge his request and never interviewed him.

Gilbert Graham, Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence; FBI — Mr. Graham worked for the FBI’s Washington Field Office Counterintelligence Division until 2002. In February 2004 his name and contact information were provided to the Commission as a key witness with information pertinent to the Commission’s investigation. The 9/11 Commission refused to follow up and never contacted Mr. Graham.

Coleen Rowley, Retired Division Counsel; FBI — In May 2002, Coleen Rowley, as the Division Counsel at the FBI Minneapolis Office, blew the whistle on the FBI’s failure to pursue Zacarias Moussaoui’s case prior to 9/11, despite all attempts made by the Minneapolis division counterterrorism agents. She reported that FBI HQ personnel in Washington, D.C., had mishandled and neglected to take action on information provided by her division. Despite her high-profile case the commission chose not to interview Ms. Rowley. According to Ms. Rowley, no one from the FBI Minneapolis Office (several Agents had direct information) was ever asked to provide testimony [or] information to the 9/11 Commission.

Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer, DIA — Colonel Shaffer provided the Commission with detailed information on intelligence and pre warning information obtained by his unit’s data mining project, Able Danger. The 9/11 commission staff received not one but two briefings on Able Danger from Mr. Shaffer and his former team members, yet did not pursue the case, did not follow up on this documented report and refused to subpoena the relevant files. Mr. Shaffer’s testimony, together with other witnesses who corroborated his testimony and information, were censored by the 9/11 Commissioners and never made it to its final report.

Dick Stoltz, Retired Special Agent; ATF — Mr. Stoltz, a veteran undercover agent with the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, had played an important role in Operation Diamondback between 1998 and 2001. The sting operation involved a group of Middle Eastern men living in New Jersey who were caught on tape in an ATF weapons sting conspiring to buy millions of dollars of weapons including components for nuclear bombs. The case came to a screeching halt with the arrest of only a handful of suspects in June of 2001 even though there was ample evidence that some of the people who were attempting to buy these weapons had connections with the Taliban, Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden himself. The 9/11 Commission refused to contact Agent Stoltz despite all attempts made by several witnesses from the intelligence and law enforcement communities, and the 9/11 Family group, Jersey Moms.

Linda Lewis, Retired Emergency Programs Specialist; USDA — Ms. Lewis worked for 13 years evaluating and coordinating federal, state and local preparedness for nuclear, radiological and chemical weapons emergencies. Prior to September 11, 2001, she had reported numerous inadequacies and dysfunctions in emergency preparedness, including a culture of intimidation that discouraged federal evaluators from reporting inadequacies in state and local plans and preparedness. USDA officials had thwarted her efforts to bring in terrorism experts to help the agency prepare for attacks on federal buildings, including bio-weapons attacks such as the anthrax attacks of 2001. In vain, she had urged FEMA officials to develop a national emergency communications plan and require interoperability of federally funded emergency communications equipment. In the absence of these preparations, New York City firefighters and police officers were unable to communicate critical information on September 11 at the World Trade Center. Ms. Lewis contacted the Commission and offered to provide information regarding dysfunctional government preparedness, but the Commission never responded.

Mark Burton, Senior Analyst; NSA — Mr. Burton served as an all-source threat analyst in NSA’s Information Assurance Directorate (IAD) for most of his 16-year career. He was the editor of IAD’s premier threat document, the 300+ page ISSO Global Threat Summary, and was an adjunct faculty member at NSA’s National Cryptologic School. He provided dozens of pages of relevant information to the 9/11 Commission, but was completely ignored and never asked to testify.

The above list does not include many others from the intelligence and law enforcement communities who had similarly contacted or reported to the commission but had been either turned away or censored, and of course many others who are still working within these agencies and are fearful of making their identities known, due to the relentless pursuit of and retaliation against whistleblowers by government agencies. — National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (PDF)

It’s clear now to anyone paying the least bit of attention that the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were completely preventable, but not by the U.S. government as it was then — and still is now, but by a government which took its whistleblowers seriously, investigated their complaints with alacrity, and acted with speed, could have foiled this particular plot.

Originally posted by esdad71
So where does thermite fit into financial proof? Can you show a money trail as to where the 1000's of tons of thermite used came from or the paychecks of the operatives that planted it or the gas receipts from the trucks that transported it?

That would be financial proof.

let's see. it's nano-thermite, which can only be manufactured in highly specialised labs. so, presumably it came from a military facility, like fork derrick where the anthrax came from.
there are many budgets which are 'black', and presumably ALL things 9/11 were paid for with hidden resources, and/or transactions were done with cash.

you ignore all the overwhelming evidence of fowl play presented in this thread in favour of your red herring strawman.

gas receipts? lol! what would a gas receipt prove other than trucks use fuel.

Great effin job, OP. I've always, well since I started paying attention , believed follow the cash and it's good game. Thanks a bunch for your time and efforts.

reply to post by esdad71


Well, roughly 2.2 pounds of nano-scale (80ish nanometer) aluminum powder alone is 1100 USD, according to Inframat(R) Advanced Materials (TM).

www.advancedmaterials.us...

So to get a cost estimate for a 10-100 ton range of this aluminum powder *edit: (Thermitic material), which is 1:3 atomic weight ratio Al:Rust. 1 part aluminum to 3 parts rust. Was actually 9:26.666... but I rounded up rust to make it easier and give ya a lil leeway. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

We get 2.5-25 million USD.

I'm sure for long-time relation/partnership buddies get a discount (hehe), but hell... sounds like a lotta cash to be throwin around to me. Oh, this doesn't include the rust, the process for correct ratio mixing, plus compression with rust into a nice applicable form, such as a spray or paint or possibly even a roll (like a cheese dip looking thing), which I'm quite sure costs a few extra bucks.

Who has the capabilities of producing this type of demolitions material, again?

Don't really know, but if this $100k budget the terrorists have to knock down a few towers is all they got, then either:
--a) Our financial system/store, obviously black budget/under-table, was used to fund the events. And the military is involved.
--b) Another wealthy backer is still *officially* hiding. And the military is involved.
--c) That isn't thermitic material.

An argument could be made about the 10 million dollars seized by US authorities in a few bank accounts could be going to this, and is a small part of the total, which is still, possibly, waiting to be used. But it seems to me we have a couple accounts of credible scientists saying:
--a) Yes, it is thermitic material.
--b) Yes, it is thermitic material.
--c) Yes,... I think we get the pic.

I know it doesn't exactly say who made the money off this, but it's showing a hell of a lotta cash (not relative to earnings, plus massive interest, of course) went up in smoke (no, literally) on that inevitably tear-filled day.

I think it's rather easy to see the relative ease in which under the table transactions can go unnoticed, the incentive of both parties (insurance collection/war profiteers and suspects of the actual act) to go through with such a plan, a mental picture of how it all went down, etc.

I just hope the truthers are so, so, sooooo wrong.

[edit on 1-8-2009 by shanerz]

[edit on 1-8-2009 by shanerz]

Originally posted by shanerz

So to get a cost estimate for a 10-100 ton range of this aluminum powder *edit: (Thermitic material), which is 1:3 atomic weight ratio Al:Rust. 1 part aluminum to 3 parts rust. Was actually 9:26.666... but I rounded up rust to make it easier and give ya a lil leeway. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

We get 2.5-25 million USD.

Hehe, it was tonnes, not tons. 200 pound per unit difference.

So now we get a 2.75-27.5 million USD cost on the aluminum powder used in the suspected thermitic material.

I told you objects in the mirror are closer than they appear.

reply to post by OnTheFelt

Most people assume that for insiders to have pulled off 9-11 would have taken so many people that someone would have talked by now. First of all, it seems likely that there were as few as roughly 140 people who were intimately involved in the details of 9-11.

I'm not buyin' that "140" number.

I would say the number is more like... in the hundreds of thousands.

Every Physicist, Engineer, Architect, Demolition Expert, General, Air Traffic Controller, etc... from around the world should be able to view the 911 evidence and know that 911 was an "inside job".

How is it that most of these people say little or nothing at all?

And the list of "experts" that I mentioned above are just the tip of the iceberg concerning the types of "experts" who could and should have shed light on the 911 event.

The "truth" is really "out there" as to why no one speaks out. This is ATS... and I say "they" are here and have taken over.

"140" insiders... is nonsense.

Hundreds of thousands at the very least know and could easily shatter the "governments" rendition of 911.

"They" are here and "they" are in control.

reply to post by KOGDOG


not every engineer and physicist bothered to look beyond the official story. and, if even ONE scientist notices something that is TRUE that 100, 000 haven't noticed, that is ENOUGH TO PROVE AN INSIDE JOB.

the inside job is thoroughly proven. it is fighting the control pyramid of media and "law" (you know, the two tiered system?) that is the problem.

the number who are looking is growing, though.

i don't believe the 140 people. that many at the top of the organisation, sure, but that's not the whole operation. yes, thousands have to be "in on it" or complicit in some way. one trip to JREF will net you more than a handful of these traitors.
however, if you remember the anthrax mailings, biologist murders, assisted suicides of those who oppose or threaten the secrecy of the "illuminati", hopefully you can understand why people NEVER break rank.

sibel edmonds, though, was never in the illuminati, yet she was privy to some of the dirty secrets. i'm surprised she hasn't been offed.
sibel knows that bin laden works for the CIA.
norm mineta knows that cheney WANTED whatever hit the pentagon to hit the pentagon.
rumsfeld knows a missile took down the plane at shanksville.
bush knows if he plays ball, he gets stuff like blow and jeff gannon.

it's totally obvious there is a criminal cabal that's large and in charge.



[edit on 29-9-2009 by billybob]

They are all rich at the expense of their people's lives
how about the 99 years lease of the "tin" towers by u know whom ???

reply to post by TheAgentNineteen


It took way more than 8 years for Pearl Harbor to come to light, and once it was the government reneged their decision to release the documents via FOIA. Research that and tell me I'm wrong. sic.