Are "white people", ie, Indo-Europeans, Semites, and Hamites aliens?

Originally posted by JScytale
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Racism:
any action, practice, or belief that reflects the racial worldview—the ideology that humans are divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called "races," that there is a causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural behavioral features, and that some races are innately superior to others.

Okay, I can also explain why what I posted does not fit this.

Races are NOT exclusive. Far from it. If indeed European and Middle Eastern people are of ET descent, they are also in part descent from indigenous people. It's not like the Picts etc just all died when the British and such came. They lost their culture and mixed together with the conquerors.

I never said, and I don't believe there is, a causal link between the genetics of indigenous and white people. It's all the culture. That's why the Chinese are fing up their environment so bad - they have become Westernized. In fact, they have more of the "euro-mind" than modern Europeans do now.

No race is innately superior. However, the indigenous cultures of the Earth and the Indo-European, Semitic, and Hamitic cultures ARE different.

reply to post by Donnie Darko

Okay, I can't handle this anymore. You need to look up what 'indigenous' means, because it does not mean what you think it means. You can't compare 'white' culture and 'indigenous' culture, because in Sweden, for example, 'white' culture IS 'indigenous' culture...

To cover quickly, because it is less important, the physical differences between white and non-white people. White people tend to have more defined noses, and of course have translucent, light-colored skin, that makes the veins visible and appear blue. They also have hair in lighter shades, while all other peoples of the world have black or dark brown hair. Same with eye color.

Covered above, we have perfectly rational, evidence based explanations for these phenomenon, why assume Aliens?

Far more important and drastic are the cultural differences. For one thing, all of the world's alphabets came from white cultures. Even the Indian and Southeast Asian alphabets were brought by Indo-European and Arab people. All of the writing systems that originated outside of the Middle East are pictographic.

White cultures also have an obsession with perfection and geometry, trying unrealistically to attain this perceived geometric perfection. This is why they build pyramids and wheels.

I put these two lines together because I found it kind of bizarre that you say that one of these major cultural differences is that difference in language, between Indo-European peoples who had alphabets and the rest whose writing was pictographic, and then credit the Indo-european and arab group with the pyramids (that have their insides covered with the stuff). I suppose this particular section of the Alien race deviated from its roots a little more than the rest of them.

Also, the civilizations of South-East Asia (China, Japan etc) and South America were certainly no slouches when it came to geometry.

The Western idea of goodness is "righteousness" - what I mean by that, is that one is supposed to live by the book, there is often an equivalence between "justice" and "revenge", indeed the words can almost be synonyms in certain usages in the English language. The idea of "eye for an eye" is a totally Western idea; indigenous cultures didn't think in those terms, at least for the most part; they might get revenge in anger, but never did they consider it an ideal as far as I know. Non-western cultures tend to have a more practical approach to justice.

Well, no offense, but this is just garbage. There are cases of tribes, cut-off from the modern world, in the jungles of Papua New Guinea who willingly murder members of opposing tribes over such things as stolen property. Not exactly an eye for an eye, a little worse if you ask me. You seem to have this idealised view of these societies that have no real connection with reality, a view that has evolved in your mind over time. These people weren't peace loving members of a Utopian society, cut-off from the angry and hate filled whites of Europe and the mid-east. Read up on the Maoris of New Zealand, a collection of tribes in conflict frequently who commonly fortified their settlements or ' pā'. They fought for resources, land and their pride. Sound familiar?

The death penalty, along with revenge, is not an Indo-European invention and is far from unique to our various cultures.

Western people tend to see the forest for the trees, while indigenous people see the "whole picture" more.

What on earth? Honestly. This is going to come down to some vague explanation to do with "stone-ness" and "seeing what a badger really is, from a spiritual perspective" isn't it? I'd be interested to see you justify this nonsensical and really quite racist assertion. Why does my race exclude me from such understanding?

Non-white cultures did not categorize things the way the ancient Greeks and modern scientists do.

Perhaps, I'm certainly not an expert in the area, but this doesn't really mean much.

I'm sorry If I may have sounded a little harsh, I do realise that you were merely bouncing ideas around, but I find your theory quite absurd to be honest.

Originally posted by sorennn

Non-white cultures did not categorize things the way the ancient Greeks and modern scientists do.

Perhaps, I'm certainly not an expert in the area, but this doesn't really mean much.

I'm sorry If I may have sounded a little harsh, I do realise that you were merely bouncing ideas around, but I find your theory quite absurd to be honest.

first off, good posts.

I felt like I should point out that China was the world center for science and technology up until the 17th century, when Europe went through its scientific revolution. Hell, they invented printing in the year 220 while Europeans didn't start using it until the 1300s.

that and categorization is more than just a human tendency, it is how our brains work on the most fundamental levels. It is something every single human being does, and is completely unable to avoid doing.

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Originally posted by sorennn
I'll answer these in a kind of random order, if you don't mind.

Are these differences actually because an alien (but related) race of human beings were marooned on this planet?

If we white people truly are an alien race from another planet, how would we be related to the other races on the planet? How is this possible? Why would we have no knowledge of this? Why would this alien race simply forget about it, or make no record of the events? Why aren't there at least myths that indicate something of this nature? Where's the archaological evidence? Why are we virtually biologically identical to the other races if we have such differing origins?

Okay, this is a complex question with a complex answer.

We are related because all humans in at least this part of the Galaxy were seeded from the Lyrans. So, whatever star system Western people came from, has a common origin with indigenous Earth people because both are based on the same genetic design.

And um, there are myths that suggest it. Atlantis of course, the Great Flood, and most importantly, the quote in the Bible about people from the stars having children with the people of Earth.

Archaeological evidence? Well personally I don't take that science as gospel anyway, because they are always changing their mind and finding new things. I think the fact that Indo-European languages mysteriously replaced all the indigenous European languages quite evident of something strange happening.

Could that explain why Western people are in a disharmony with nature and feel the need to modify it?

Let me start by telling you that your assertion here is simply wrong. Have you ever been to or seen Japan or China or Korea? I don't think you'll find better examples of people living in disharmony with nature. During the Olympic Games the Chinese government spent thousands of dollars paying people to photoshop photos of their skyline because of the smog that plagues the city. But then you'll probably put that down to us and our outside influence on them or something, however it can plainly be seen that they are no more instinctually bound to the land than we are.

Okay, take a look at the Native Americans, aboriginal Australians, etc. They modified the land on a small scale, such as burning areas of trees to attract wildlife, but did anything they do really compare to what happened in Europe and the Middle East? Part of the reason the Middle East is so arid is because it's been so damaged by millennia of civilization. Deforestation was a problem even in ancient Greece and Rome.

As for China, the reason they pollute so much now is because they are in mind becoming Europeans. In fact, they are very similar to how Americans were in mindset 50 to 100 years ago when it comes to ecology.



Anyway, what your statement really demonstrates is a lack of understanding of the history of white/middle-eastern people. Our ancestors began just as everybody else's, in a tribal environments more or less in harmony with nature. The difference is, the geological position of settlements like those found in Greece and in Egypt provided unique opportunities for the trade of technology and goods, which led to a rapid increase in the sophistication of said technology. The abundance of resources in these parts of the world also aided this expansion, and trade began to become more common. The seas of the Mediterranean were also essential, it was like a kind of ancient highway, while travel on land remained slow and tiring.

An African tribesman walking the savanna, who is limited in contact to his family and the members of perhaps a few others, is hardly going to discover pythagorean theory. While an abundance of resources might provide the opportunity, and a lively market for the trade of technologies might provide the incentive for a Greek philosopher, he has no need for it and has more pressing concerns.

It has nothing to do with aliens, it has to do with the region of the Earth that we inhabited, just in the same that we have fair skin and bright eyes and hair because they proved advantageous for life in the environment that surrounded us.

And are they actually the descendants of Atlanteans?

What the hell?

continuing...

While studdying graphic design, I learnt that the chinese where far more advanced than western cultures, they where the first to invent paper, the compass and many other things while the rest of the world was writing on stone and clay tablets but this seems to be forgotten in our modern cultures. I have a feeling that they may be more decendant to alien than any other culture. They are even today, far more advanced technologically than any other culture. They have pitch black hair and dark eyes. Not light hair and eyes. We are racially quite mixed, hardly anyone has a true pure bloodline these days.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko

Originally posted by cenpuppie
Nice post. To me, it seems like this post is a question of why white folks are different from other ethnic groups. A more defined nose what? The nose of Europeans and her ancestors are the results of living in a colder climate. Have you seen the skin color of Japanese women? It's white!

*sigh*


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But white people (grouped with Middle Eastern people) ARE a totally different group of cultures (not people) than every other culture in the world.

Middle Eastern people have far sharper nose shapes than European people, so it is not about the climate. As for Asians, yes their skin is fairly pale, but it is still darker than the skin of Europeans; the women put powder on their skin to make it appear snow white.

Also, white people sunburn - what adaptive quality does that have? Can you tell me it's NORMAL to get cancer just by being out in the sun? No, maybe it's because white people come from a different star system with a darker (or more distant) sun?

We have whiter skin because the colder climates of Europe (now, and also in the past particularly the ice age) require/d us to if we want/ed to survive. We receive Vitamin D from the sun, and only the fair skin that we have provides us with sufficient ability to receive said vitamins.

How then do black people survive in this colder climate? Well, they might not get cancer, but a decent number do suffer from vitamin D deficiency which causes things such as Rickets, if they don't get enough sun. However, the Ice age has obviously past, so its obviously now less of a problem.

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The awnser is the sun, my friend

You see, the angle of the sun is key to how bright it shines. The suns rays in the upper part of the world are actually nothing like the rest of the planet. Because the intensity is different the colour of the skin is different. White people have a skin that reflects sunlight better which is neccesary to prevent the very intense longer waved rays of light to be reflected. Ofcourse, the difference is minimal and not even npoticable on evolutionairy condition.

The very funny thing about skincolour is this;if White people would erase coloured ones, in a few thousend years white people living in Africa would have become coloured people. On the flip side it works as well. If coloured people would erase white people, in a few thousend years colouyred people living in northern Europe would become white people.

*Points up towards sun, its an atmospherical thing.
Howevery, the size issue is different. Northerns European people are mustlebound gaints compared to other 'races' around the world. That has to do with the Ice Age. Whil Africa and Asia where having it easy, The northern people where having frostbitten winters and short summers, endless forests filled with bears and wolves. You can't run fast in a forst and if you are being attacked by a lone wolf, you bet you need strengt. In Africa they have wide open spaces ideal for hunts and running.

There are explanations for all our differences. For instance, the Caucasian immunesystem is slightly better then that of the rest of the world because of the black plague. Europeans can handle alcohol better because they drink so much (this also goes for white Americans sinds they actually are from European decendant). And ofcourse their is a reason for Europeans drinking booze. You don't drink water in the middleages when you know it is an open sewer filled with germ so deadly they knock your socks of, so booze. If you where a peasent it was beer (grain, hop and spit of a woman to start the process for making beer in that time, wine for the richer people)

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the lyrans? what the hell? you cant expect to say things like that, or claim that anyone descended from "the atlanteans", and still be taken seriously. you don't know any of that. its pure speculation (with no basis in evidence even remotely suggesting it). if you actually believe any of that, i firmly suggest you re-evaluate what you consider worthy of holding true. You shouldn't believe something until evidence backs it up - but your method seems to be "if its mysterious and makes a cool story, i'll believe it".

Dang, this is fun!

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
We are related because all humans in at least this part of the Galaxy were seeded from the Lyrans. So, whatever star system Western people came from, has a common origin with indigenous Earth people because both are based on the same genetic design.

Ah, yes, the Lyrans' seed... Always forget about them....

And um, there are myths that suggest it. Atlantis of course, the Great Flood, and most importantly, the quote in the Bible about people from the stars having children with the people of Earth.

The bible? Really? And myths? Are the Lyrans in the myths?

Archaeological evidence? Well personally I don't take that science as gospel anyway, because they are always changing their mind and finding new things. I think the fact that Indo-European languages mysteriously replaced all the indigenous European languages quite evident of something strange happening.

While you are looking up other words, please to also look up 'science'. Science works because it is NOT gospel, and because it CAN change, and because you CAN discover new things. This is why science is awesome, and nonsense about Lyrans and Atlaneans, while hysterical, is not awesome.

To sum up at this point, if I might: Lyrans' seed. Bible > science.

It is pretty clear that Indo-Europeans replaced, linguistically anyway, native Europeans: because they had technological superiority, most prominently in the form of the chariot (or maybe even just the wheel). Note, also, that as of today, English has largely replaced all of the indigenous languages of North America. No aliens needed.

Originally posted by jinx880101
While studdying graphic design, I learnt that the chinese where far more advanced than western cultures, they where the first to invent paper, the compass and many other things while the rest of the world was writing on stone and clay tablets but this seems to be forgotten in our modern cultures. I have a feeling that they may be more decendant to alien than any other culture. They are even today, far more advanced technologically than any other culture. They have pitch black hair and dark eyes. Not light hair and eyes. We are racially quite mixed, hardly anyone has a true pure bloodline these days.

Certainly, back then they were among the leaders in the world of technology, but when it comes to certain period of time in between then and now, and then the present day, I'd have to disagree. What do you base this on? China is the world's center for manufacturing, not technology. They manufacture products designed elsewhere, this is their dominant industry. Japan and the United States are far more innovative, in my view, and by a fair distance.

I speak, by the way, as a citizen of neither of the two nations mentioned above.

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Covered above, we have perfectly rational, evidence based explanations for these phenomenon, why assume Aliens?

And why isn't aliens a rational explanation?




Also, the civilizations of South-East Asia (China, Japan etc) and South America were certainly no slouches when it came to geometry.



Good point.


The death penalty, along with revenge, is not an Indo-European invention and is far from unique to our various cultures.

True, I mean pretty much every culture had a death penalty. And most people want revenge at some point or another; but no non-Western culture I know of actually idealizes "an eye for an eye". I guess in some Asian cultures people are expected to avenge their father if he is murdered, etc, but again I think that is also practical and has to do with some belief in natural harmony. It's not merely because "they deserve it".

Western people tend to see the forest for the trees, while indigenous people see the "whole picture" more.

What on earth? Honestly. This is going to come down to some vague explanation to do with "stone-ness" and "seeing what a badger really is, from a spiritual perspective" isn't it? I'd be interested to see you justify this nonsensical and really quite racist assertion. Why does my race exclude me from such understanding?

Your race doesn't exclude you. Nor are Asians born with the ability either, or any other race. Studies though have shown that Western people see the trees and Oriental people see the big picture as a trend. It has nothing to do with genes and everything to do with culture.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
And why isn't aliens a rational explanation?

precisely because there is absolutely zero evidence that would lead a rational person to even consider it. For example, when trying to figure out which of my two dogs pooped on the carpet, I don't also consider a flying bush llama that flew in my window, did the deed, and left. Why not? Because there is absolutely no evidence to suggest it, and thus no reason to consider it.

Ah, yes, the Lyrans' seed... Always forget about them....

Why is this so unbelievable? If scientists expect us to develop colonies in space, why is it so out-there to believe humans are star-seeds?

And BTW, I am not Christian and I do not believe in the Bible for what it's meant to be, but it is a myth and a legend and does contain valuable information about the ancient Israelites and other groups.

Science works because it is NOT gospel

I'd argue this point, science can be pretty "gospel" to me.

It is pretty clear that Indo-Europeans replaced, linguistically anyway, native Europeans: because they had technological superiority, most prominently in the form of the chariot (or maybe even just the wheel). Note, also, that as of today, English has largely replaced all of the indigenous languages of North America. No aliens needed.

You have to think of the time period though. English replaced the Native languages during the Industrial Age, not to mention they became way more populous than the Native Americans ever were.

Originally posted by JScytale

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
And why isn't aliens a rational explanation?

precisely because there is absolutely zero evidence that would lead a rational person to even consider it.

What I'm saying, is the cultures of Europe and the Middle East are so different than the cultures of the rest of the world, that there is reason to think they DID come from somewhere else. I mean blaming crap on llamas? What does that have to do with it? lmao

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
Why is this so unbelievable? If scientists expect us to develop colonies in space, why is it so out-there to believe humans are star-seeds?

see my previous post.

You have to think of the time period though. English replaced the Native languages during the Industrial Age, not to mention they became way more populous than the Native Americans ever were.

Actually, English became a dominant language during the colonial era precisely because England controlled 1/3rd the globe and imposed it on people. Also, before the Native American Genocide, English people were vastly outnumbered by Native American tribes.

Actually, English became a dominant language during the colonial era precisely because England controlled 1/3rd the globe and imposed it on people. Also, before the Native American Genocide, English people were vastly outnumbered by Native American tribes.

This is true. However, the difference is modern Europeans seem to be mostly non Indo-European genetically speaking, so if my theory is correct, the alien DNA would be the minority, but the euro-mind would still originate in Europe and the Middle East.

While the English-speaking people of North America are mostly European in descent.

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
What I'm saying, is the cultures of Europe and the Middle East are so different than the cultures of the rest of the world, that there is reason to think they DID come from somewhere else. I mean blaming crap on llamas? What does that have to do with it? lmao

it was an example, don't tell me it went over your head.

you ever bother to compare cultures *anywhere*? Neighboring cultures are usually very, very different. Its why they are neighboring cultures and not the same culture with a few different traditions. Take, for example, the Aztecs and all of their neighbors, and you can even compare the Aztecs to their more distant but more easily comparable (in size) neighbors, the Maya. Vastly different on almost every level. Why don't you compare Egyptian culture to the Bedouin? Compare Persia and India for me.

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Originally posted by Donnie Darko

Originally posted by JScytale

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
And why isn't aliens a rational explanation?

precisely because there is absolutely zero evidence that would lead a rational person to even consider it.

What I'm saying, is the cultures of Europe and the Middle East are so different than the cultures of the rest of the world, that there is reason to thinkthey DID come from somewhere else. I mean blaming crap on llamas? What does that have to do with it? lmao

YES. THEY DID. They came from a different geographic location to the other cultures, nonetheless located on the PLANET EARTH!

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I am 'white', and my heritage is German. I traced my ancestry as far back as possible (for me to do) and found even my great great grandfather, the story of how my family even got started here in America, where my great grandfather was held after he arrived and his journey that led his son to my mother, ect. I found it very interesting to say the least. But I did not find any evidence that we came from aliens. If I had, I promise I would tell you


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