Suspect puts drugs in his mouth; cop breaks his neck

Originally posted by Discotech

Originally posted by earthman4
Our bodies do not belong to the goverment. Any slightly advanced person can see this man was murdered. He was not harming anyone, not even himself.

He was breaking the law by being in possession of a controlled substance, the officer had every right to do what he did.

This is the thing with laws, they don't ban consumption (it goes against civil rights & liberties) they instead ban possession, which is the same thing but in a legal sense it's allowed however it's wrong and needs to change

You are saying murder is justified when laws are broken? This same scenario will happen once tobbacco becomes a controlled substance. I know is seems odd for someone to be murdered for possessing tobacco, but this will happen.

If you or I did this, being common citizens, we would promptly be thrown in prison for a number of years for aggrivated manslaughter. In a so-called "free republic" no one should be above the law, and our law enforcement personel, lawyers, judges, and politicians should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us, for the very fact that they have more power... to quote the movie "Spiderman", "with power comes great responisibility." Have you ever heard the term "high crimes and misdemeanors"? Well, anytime someone in a position of authority or power commits a crime and abuses that power, then it should be considered a high crime, thus they should be held to a higher standard. No one should be above the law in this country, yet our police, judges, lawyers, and public officials seem to run a good ol' boys club with no accountability at all. This cop will probably get off scott free, and police department will attempt to coverup this crime. We will never be free as a people as long as we allow to this to continue.

Originally posted by jd140
Are people so hard up to blame cops for every little thing that goes wrong during a traffic stop that they forget that the reason they are being pulled over is because they broke the law?

He didn't do this on purpose. He tried to get the drug out of the criminals hand several times. The criminal some how gets the drug in his mouth and the cop tries to prevent him from swallowing the evidence.

This cop was quite intent on getting the evidence! He wanted BADLY to bring in a street level user. You ever ask why he wanted to get this guy so badly? Was the cop just doing his job? Was he worried about the guy OD'ing? I doubt this cop gave a rats ars about this guy. This guy was a easy mark to throw in jail, but he couldn't throw him in jail without evidence. Get the drugs from the guy, arrest him. Then the cop can go back to the station and get a@@ patted by his buddies for being such a good cop and getting such a hardcore criminal off the streets. Arresting someone injects large amounts of money into the local economy.

Suspect needs to post bail - Money made for the city,county.

If he is denied bail (standard procedure for violations of probation) then he is spending at least 30-60 days in jail. - Federal government pays local law enforcement $200 a day PER INMATE to feed and house.

A full jail house means shiny new cars, latest equipment and gadgets, bonuses, etc.

Court cost's and fines - money for the city,county.

Attorney's fees - if he can afford one there is a large amount of cash being spent.

It is common practice where I live to keep the jail as full as possible and it is usually overcrowded. 80% of the inmates are there for VOP for minor things such as dirty urinalysis, 10% are vagrants and homeless crackheads who get busted for paraphernalia or something minor and the last 10% are real criminals (violent crimes, robbery, etc).

It doesn't really matter how the jail is kept full just as long as it is.

Take away the people who really don't belong there and you have a empty jail.

How many people would be out of a job if drugs we decriminalized?

[edit on 14-7-2009 by lucentenigma]

[edit on 14-7-2009 by lucentenigma]

I feel that anytime law enforcement sticks a hand in someones mouth for a piece of dope its a violation of civil rights. This only adds to my beliefs. Im not pro drugs at all , but I am pro human.

Bad laws are the worse sort of tyranny.

The "War on Drugs" is tyranny.

If this guy died from a broken neck, the Officer is responsible.

I find it entertaining that they use the excuse that he had co-morbid diseases. CAD and hypertrophy of the myocardium. If he was a crankster that is highly likely, but that doesn't remove the direct cause----a fracture of the hyoid bone. Those 'claw' style chokes need to be banned from use unless the officer's life is in immediate danger.

Like the LVR (lateral vascular restraint), the 'claw' to the trachea is meant to disable a person, but, like the LVR, it places dangerous stress on the neck. The simplest way to avoid this is to create an unarmed training system that allows for the officer to escalate the use of force.

In Japan, they use judo and aikido techniques. Officers are required to practice Judo as a result they have far fewer incidents like this. American officers do very little self defense training beyond academy training unless they do it on their own.

We need to rein in our police forces, but I fear it is too late for that.

Another reason why drugs should be legalized? You know it.

If I'm able to go to a bar, have a shot of whiskey, then a shot of Jager, then a JAGERBOMB...why can't I smoke a joint?

Our society is so awesome..

Originally posted by grimreaper797

Don't be so quick to judge if you haven't walked a mile in their shoes cause it is a whole different world.
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Of course it's a different world. I'm glad that it's not my world because I don't run around breaking people's necks, beating them to death or coma, or shooting a bullet in other's heads.
So, yeah, different world. And that's the good part.....

[edit on 14-7-2009 by thegreatobserver]

reply to post by lucentenigma

This cop was quite intent on getting the evidence! He wanted BADLY to bring in a street level user. You ever ask why he wanted to get this guy so badly? Was the cop just doing his job? I doubt this cop gave a rats ars about this guy. This guy was a easy mark to throw in jail. Then the cop can go back to the station and get a@@ patted by his buddies for being such a good cop and getting such a hardcore criminal off the streets. Arresting someone injects large amounts of money into the local economy.

You are exactly right.. In this paticular instance, it is about nothing but running a money making racket... meeting quotas, etc., getting us all used to our new little police state, where the government, as opposed to the citizens, rule supreme. It has little or nothing to do with justice.

reply to post by mahtoosacks


This is along the lines I was thinking. Meth does horrible things to the body. I can't remember, but I do believe it causes brittle bones. The guy was much bigger then the cop, and I don't see the cop handling him hard enough to cause his neck to break. I am wondering if the drugs were meth and it totally ravaged his body.

reply to post by nixie_nox


You are 100% correct. One of meth's side effects is "brittle bones". That is probably exactly why his neck broke.

Lets hope the officer mentions that in court, it will be the case winning argument.

reply to post by GorehoundLarry


Legalizing marijauana is one thing, but meth should never be legalized. It does horrible things to people.

In fact, jails are facing major budget troubles because of all the meth addicts, trying to fix their teeth and other horrors that meth causes.

Here are pics of the meth mouth:

link

faces of meth

i'm not sure if anyone has watched the full video,or at least eight minutes of it,the man got quite a beating,fists and feet,

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 14-7-2009 by smurfy]

Originally posted by earthman4
You are saying murder is justified when laws are broken? This same scenario will happen once tobbacco becomes a controlled substance. I know is seems odd for someone to be murdered for possessing tobacco, but this will happen.

Nice of you to twist what I'm saying.

Are you saying the cop intentionally killed the guy ?

As I have said the cop was just doing his job and what he was trained to do in these situations, he had no intent in breaking this guys neck. Was there excessive force used ? No, I don't think so in this situation, the guy was clearly resisting arrest and attempting to destroy evidence.

Would you rather the cop had pulled his gun out on the guy instead and shot him ? Because that has happened in the past and that IS excessive force.

The laws need to change and then none of this crap will happen, drugs will be safer and cheaper and the police can spend their time on real time on criminals instead of recreational drug users just trying to enjoy life how they want

reply to post by stmichael


The fact of the matter is the drug war is hurting people more than the drugs themselves.

People should be able to do what they want with their bodies.

I don't feel free when I can't even eat certain mushrooms on the ground.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by GorehoundLarry

 

Legalizing marijauana is one thing, but meth should never be legalized. It does horrible things to people.

You're right.

So does Alcohol, Tobacco, Dramamine, Vicodin, Abuse of Nyquil, Oxycotton, and the list goes on, and on, and on. You can easily get a hold of these items if you go to a bar, go to a gas station, go to Wal-Mart, have a tooth ache, go to Rite-Aid, have a back ache and so on.

Hell, even fried chicken is bad for you.

Remember when alcohol was prohibited? Remember the crime that sky rocketed? Remember when booze was actually legalized, all the crime went down? Funny how things work out.

This, to me, is another reason the 'war on drugs' isn't working.
If American adults were given the rite to put what they want in their body this guy wouldn't have died; atleast not then & there.

It seems to me that cops should be strong advocates for ending the drug war. They would have more time & money to go after the violent crimes; drug related or not.

Originally posted by smurfy
i'm not sure if anyone has watched the full video,or at least eight minutes of it,the man got quite a beating,fists and feet,

www.youtube.com...

[edit on 14-7-2009 by smurfy]

I don't care what anybody says,the man got a severe beating to the extreme upper body,and kicked,possibly to the abdomininal area.

People on the streets are being mugged, shot, raped, stabbed, killed.....

and yet, most police are so concerned about a little bag of weed in someone's pocket. I wish our system would make sense, for once.

(A) If a person commits a serious crime,if he has plenty of money he can afford a good lawyer and so be found not guilty.

(B) If a person does NOT committ a crime, but is in the wrong place at the wrong time, can be (found) guilty and sent to jail. because he has no money for a good lawyer

Two complete opposite situations,is it fair? its nothing to do with fair , its to do with money.

I just want to say something. I have seen some people in here saying this guy was breaking the law, the cop was just doing his job. All this guy did was have some drugs on him (I know he put em in his mouth), and this PIG murdered this man over a drug. MURDER is NOT the punishment for drug posession, you usually get a few days in jail and court in the morning for drug possession. No biggie.

No MATTER what happened, no matter if the guy put the dope in his mouth or not, this PIG should not have MURDERED this poor man.

This pig was totally in the wrong.

This is just my opionon though, we all entitled to them

Peace!


[edit on 14-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]