The unborn undying mind of the Buddha

I think I was able to describe a way that works and is much needed for the times we are in. Communication is a funny thing though, you can feel as if you rang the bell, but it goes unheard..

similar to the

"is the flag moving/fluttering ? "

or is it the wind ?

or is it just you ?

without you everything is meaningless

with you the bell need not make a sound and you will hear it

just mention the word "bell" and I hear ringing

Originally posted by OmegaPoint

I want it, have caught fleeting glimpses of it in the past.

Any help in getting this, this unborn undying mind would be much appreciated.

Oh man, you were almost there and then ... desire.

No need to want what you already possess, just a matter of peeling all that is not yours for it to be revealed.

Here's a guy who's words, to the extent that they can be useful, I find to be good pointers: www.adyashanti.org...

Obviously no answers there, just an interesting voice repeating to you what you and in fact all of us already know.

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Thanks, thats gone into my favourites.

As soon as we want/desire something we loose touch. This is maybe why our initial awakening is always very strong because we never expected it, we never wanted it, it just came...then after experiencing it we always seek it and want it. Best to just not want a thing then maybe all will come to us.

Originally posted by third_eye

Things happen VERY VERY slowly in those days though eternity means very much the same.

Today things happen at a much faster pace and yet eternity too means pretty much the same.

Same motions as always, just more of them.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79

Originally posted by third_eye

Things happen VERY VERY slowly in those days though eternity means very much the same.

Today things happen at a much faster pace and yet eternity too means pretty much the same.

Same motions as always, just more of them.

and still as far to go .....

If you guys really want to be blown away abut how true this topic really is, just watch the video below.

Basically when you strip yourself of everything, mind, thoughts, ego, even awareness, and the first level and underlying all is Oneness/God/Tao/Infinity.

See here science proves it. The number 0 is the answer:

reply to post by dominicus

Here is another scientific proof of another aspect of the same "thing"

Bell's Theorem
www.upscale.utoronto.ca...

What this states is that everything is non-locally instantaneously interconnected right across the entire spectrum, and then the work of David Bohm goes on to suggest that consciousness is primary, a veiw which may be called Monistic Idealism, as opposed to Materialist Realism (matter is primary).

But, there is a final important duality to consider, lest a person get lost in the absolute and get stuck there. That of absolute AND individual.

Once the experience of the absolute of the Tao is realized, a person then needs to choose to be a person, capable of integrating both the reality of the absolute and that of an individual, as a fully integrated free-functioning human being, and possess what Zen calls "ordinary mind", and in this way the Buddha-mind is "nothing special"

"It's all fun and games until someone loses an I."

And then we are back where we started, except without constraint or limitation of traditional ego demands, where to be a person and individual is a free choice, such that you know what and who you are being is YOUR own creation, where you DO NOT KNOW who you REALLY are, but only that you are playing a role, while at the same time, doing "you" spontaneously, that's the final trick - to be simultaneously both a someone and a no one, a nothing, and a something in being nothing, without making it anything special, and that "way" IS to be charming, humorous, playful, and never too serious.


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"It's all fun and games until someone loses an I."

Hahahahahahahaha, Oh man that was great, the highlight of my day, and one in which very few people will ever get. Yeah Bohm is awesome(read most of is material) and this Bell theorem is fascinating!!!!

[edit on 19-7-2009 by InthekNOwla]

Originally posted by Dragonfly79

Originally posted by InthekNOwla
reply to post by Silenceisall

 

The message of the Matrix was we simply forgot how to program.

In the storyline it is assumed humanity fought the machine and lost and is reduced to a battery. But what is forgotten is how to program. The Matrix would be ideal, no need to worry about the physical body, or even the environment, who would want to live in Zion anyway if given the choice first? If anything, the machine is not AI but is simply responding to the transferred consciousness of those hooked into the Matrix, just because all the main characters go in the Matrix believing it is AI, the worst nightmare imaginable, that is just what it becomes.

Forgot how to program? Awww.... Im gonna have to disagree.

"The Matrix" is used metaphorically to describe ones state of consciousness. I.e. Awake or Sleeping, conscious or unconscious.

The movie starts phones ring, conversation ensues, agents arrive, police attempt to engage.

After....

Morpheus : You have to FOCUS, Trinity. There's a phone at Wells and Lake. You can make it.

The very mention of focusing is symbolic of present moment awareness, for whenever you give your full attention to, are mindful of, anything, you are automatically present. In this case, the task at hand. Getting away.

I could go on and on, maybe ill start an in depth thread about it. For now ill do a few more.

Oracle : So what do you think, do you think you're the One?

Neo : I don't know, I honestly don't know.

The Oracle looks to the top of her door, where something is written in Latin.

Oracle : You know what that means? Its Latin. Means 'Know Thyself'...

Awww to "Know Thyself". Which is really saying KNOW who you are NOT. The Ego, the voice in your head, the content of the mind. To "Know Thyself" means to recognize oneself as essences and not content.


Oracle : You're going to have to make a choice. In one hand, you'll have _Morpheus'_

life..and in the other hand, you'll have your own. One of you is going to die..which

one...will be up to you...

In one of my earlier posts I said "The trick to life is to die before you die." That truth is what is meant here. His false sense of self is the only thing that really dies. Again it's the ego. He recognizes himself as the essence not the content, the watcher not the thinker, the stillness and not the noise and is able to transcend it completely bringing about a shift in his awareness and reality.


And who could forget Trinity?

The word Trinity also called Blessed Trinity, Holy Trinity. The union of three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) in one Godhead, or the threefold personality of the one Divine Being. This triad can also be called Mind, Body, and Spirit. The Body being the Son (MAN), The Spirit being The Father (GOD), and finally The Mind being The Holy Ghost. In meditation the true goal is to align these 3 entities so that they are no longer 3 in order to achieve a new level of consciousness, "PRESENCE". It is through this union that we touch Enlightenment. It was ONLY through Trinity that Neo realized his true potential and ascended to a "Christ like" state. His altered outlook on the world is symbolic of the fact that EVERYTHING is only just energy. Our physical reality is simply an illusion, hence his ability to manipulate it to his will. "There is NO spoon".

However you do illustrate an interesting viewpoint and I look forward to discussing it further. :-)

A Flower For You.

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Okay I only read pages 1-6 but i do plan on reading the rest later. Everything in this topic are things I already knew for the most part. To me the meaning of life is simple, to live. Living to me is sustaining life (eating and staying warm) and going with the flow of life. Is'nt my idea of life similiar to that of a buddhas?

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There is nothing more I can add to your very excellent post above except that I agree totally with it.

Originally posted by 4stral4pprentice
Living to me is sustaining life (eating and staying warm) and going with the flow of life. Is'nt my idea of life similiar to that of a buddhas?

Well Im not sure but this sounds more like the sustaining the vessel rather than the life force within it. Eating and staying warm is taking care of your body , although this is required for the spirit within (otherwise your body would die ) I wouldnt say its the essence of what life and living is. The essence of life is whats within the body you are feeding and keeping warm.

Going with the flow, yes as this means accepting the Now with no resistance to the flow of the Now.

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You will never have to sustain life for YOU ARE LIFE. There's a big difference between "Your Life" and "Your Life Situation". Death is NOT an end to your life merely a transcendence. BTW, love your future goals. I hope to one day attain these as well but for now I'll take it one moment at a time. :-)

A Flower For You.

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A Star & Flower for you my friend.

Originally posted by InthekNOwla
reply to post by 4stral4pprentice

 

You will never have to sustain life for YOU ARE LIFE. There's a big difference between "Your Life" and "Your Life Situation". Death is NOT an end to your life merely a transcendence. BTW, love your future goals. I hope to one day attain these as well but for now I'll take it one moment at a time. :-)

A Flower For You.

I know im life i know im all and i know death will not end my life. Also i see what your getting at with the eating and staying warm, but for the physical body it is needed to keep going. Not life itself life is forever.

Here have my flower

reply to post by schrodingers dog


Perfectly put my brother. STAR 4 U.

A Flower For You.

I have found because of my upbringing and the world we live in, it is very very difficult to always "live in the moment".

I can, however, retreat to the "sanctuary of now" whenever I want. When I think of all the worrying I've done about the future or the ruminating about the past....what a waste of time! Did it really make any difference to my reality? Hardly. Was it usually distorted thinking? Yes.

The past and future don't exist. The only reality we have is the moment you are experiencing at any given point in time.

So, if you just stop and think....NOW, right NOW...Do I have what I need? Am I safe? Am I part of the universe? Yup....the present moment is actually a pretty nice place to be.

The path that Buddha spelled out for us has eight steps. Of course, each step has many parts, but these various parts fall readily into eight groups. According to the Buddha, this eightfold path is "best".

I think a lot of people get snarled up by trying to omit some of the steps or parts. That's probably not a good idea. So you've got right view, right intention, right speech, right actions, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration. Skipping something may not absolutely prevent you from making progress, but it is almost certainly going to slow you down.

You asked about what to meditate on. There is a Buddhist practice called "mindfulness", in which you simply retain your awareness in the here and now. That's very difficult to do. The mind likes to wander all over the Universe, but it seldom visits where you are right now.

Basically you sit in a comfortable upright position and quiet yourself. Then you bring your attention to where you are right now. As Baba Ram Dass said, "Be Here Now". When your mind wanders, gently bring it back to the here and now. As thoughts arise, let them bubble up and away, neither trying to hold them, nor trying to drive them away. Observe, but don't participate. Just "be here now".

This won't bring you to enlightenment, but it is a piece of it.