Four Atheist Quotes That Hit Home.

reply to post by Histopherness


Your welcome. As far as a looney bin....I think your just fine.

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
reply to post by XXXN3O

 

The Scientific Method is as good as it gets. Apply it without prejudice and marvel and awe at the results. Some of the most fantastic discoveries in Science have been accidents (radiation) but it was not until the Scientific Method was applied to them that they came about full circle.

Yes, but in a world that is money orientated and results driven.

How often does that happen.

Ive worked in clinical trials myself and the data is doctored for results as funding is never given without predictions. Predictions are guesses.

There is no field that is not money orientated. Even charity is money orientated.

Greed does not give accurate results.

I mean, cmon the nobel prize is labelled after a man who invented dynamite for crying out loud.

Its a faith.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by XXXN3O]

reply to post by Alaskan Man


You know....this is a great thread..Congrats!

reply to post by Pauligirl


Now these are some quotes with meat on their bones.

reply to post by Jomina


Yeah it is a good one. I think i might have heard it listening to Paul Harvey.

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.

A quote that many a christian can stand behind I would bet. God is real and it is their duty to fight for that truth.

Of course this happens to be a quote by Hitler so maybe no one will be using it anytime soon.

See how that kind of thinking can get away from you?

Originally posted by Conclusion
reply to post by Jomina

 

Yeah it is a good one. I think i might have heard it listening to Paul Harvey.

ahaha that would go far to explaining then... my father was a Paul Harvey addict

HE was a very wise man, indeed Always liked ol Paul

reply to post by Alaskan Man


Thomas Jefferson wasn't an atheist and the quote was supposed to be sort of a motivation to not be afraid to question things. EVEN such the existence of God (because the taken view was that there was one at the time, and it was strange to think not) even still, question it with boldness and don't be afraid to do so. It's one of my most favorite quotes in the world.

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
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Hey Badmedia. I too appreciate you taking time to respond to my post.

I challenge you to apply the Scientific Method to the realm of a "Spirit" or a "Soul" or a "Consciousness".

Didn't we do that before? Or am I thinking of someone else? As I mentioned before, you can't really use logic to describe consciousness and such, as it is in itself what creates logic, and is well beyond the realm of logic.

It is for this reason that "what is flesh is flesh, and what is spirit is spirit". 2 realms, and people need to understand that. If you do not understand that sentence, then you will never understand matters of the spirit/soul/consciousness.

Refusing to Separating "Faith" from Science is cheating.

There is a difference between blind faith and faith. Blind faith is acceptence and blind faith is bad. Blind faith is what atheists always attack. I have faith that the understandings I've been given are true, and that in the end things will work ok. I see a day when we will all look back at these things and laugh. But that isn't today.

I challenge you to present a Religion that did or does not use an Afterlife or a continuance of the soul as it's main selling point.

I do not belong to any religion. I did not get any of my understandings from religion. I know the father. I am not a man of blind faith, I do not accept anything. I know the father/god is real because I've meet the father, and he has given me much much understanding. No religion is required, but you must seek the truth and the correct way to live. If you sit down and look at how society must act in order to be peaceful to one another, then you will literally see the commandments and the path of Jesus being repeated back to you.

The afterlife, I can't prove such a thing. And furthermore, what religion generally says about it is even true to begin with. You are already in Hell right now. There are basically 2 possible things that will happen when you die. You(consciousness/soul) will either be absorbed back into the father, in which case you as an individual will no longer exist, or you will keep your individuality and move on to other lessons/places

If you really want to know the answer to the afterlife, then seek it out rather than expecting others to hand feed you on what to accept. In doing so, you will come to understand why death is not real, and how it is impossible for you to not exist. No man can give understanding directly, and real truth is understood, not repeated in the same way math is understood and expressed as 1+1=2. 1+1=2 is a true statement, but it is not the truth. The understanding behind it, that is the truth.

This is what I mean by taking step 1 of that list. You must ask the right questions, and then actually seek the answers on your own. It's also why I keep asking you - what are you. Know thyself, and when you know thyself then you will find the father.

Also Badmedia I am looking forward to hear what quotes regarding Atheism you think are interesting.

Thanks for pointing out my error! Edited.

I don't really think there is one. I was once an atheist myself. I do not belong to any religion, and I see some understanding in all religions, along with a whole bunch of acceptance(Bad).

The entire reason I am not an atheist anymore is because I realized just how arrogant and stupid it would be of me to proclaim that anything which has not crossed my very limited perception of the universe does not exist. While atheists call themselves "open minded", I find it to be extremely close minded.

My perception of even the known universe, at this single point in time is so absolutely limited that it is downright foolish for any man to make such a claim. Not to mention the fact that we see only a small spectrum of the light etc. Seriously, it's like an ostrich sticking their head in the sand and thinking because they don't see that lion, it doesn't exist.

Such is a leap of faith I am unwilling to take, and that I was once foolish enough serves as a reminder to me. My own personal hell is having to deal with the exact same arguments I use to make. There is nothing in this thread said by an atheist I didn't at one time think or say.

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Some people might like this thread.

Two sides of the coin does it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

1. He had only one major publication.
2. It was in Hebrew.
3. It had no references.
4. It wasn't published in a refereed journal.
5. Some even doubt he wrote it by himself.
6. It may be true that he created the world, but what has he done since then?
7. His cooperative efforts have been quite limited.
8. The scientific community has had a hard time replicating his results.
9. He never applied to the ethics board for permission to use human subjects.
10. When one experiment went awry he tried to cover it by drowning his subjects.
11. When subjects didn't behave as predicted, he deleted them from the sample.
12. He rarely came to class, just told students to read the book.
13. Some say he had his son teach the class.
14. He expelled his first two students for learning.
15. Although there were only 10 requirements, most of his students failed his tests.
16. His office hours were infrequent and usually held on a mountain top.
17. No record of working well with colleagues.


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A lot of atheists believe that there's no God, and that you live once and then die.

However, there's a BIG fallacy in their belief.

Everyone IS energy, and energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

So therefore you won't just die and that's the end. Your energy still continues on forever.

Your physical body is only a vessel.

I'm tired of explaining this to people. If you don't get it, then honestly too bad for you.

Originally posted by XXXN3O
Badmedia is not god.

Sure I am, but the father is much greater.

It's all about understanding the father and son relationship. As people are the son themselves, they will need to "know thyself" and understand exactly what they are before they can even think of realizing the father.

The matrix movie rocks because it expresses these things. Neo plays the role of a modern day Jesus.

Choice is an illusion between those with power and those without the program says. This is of course true for a program, and true for those who accept things and do not understand.

This entire world is designed into making people not realize who/what they are. And then through manipulation(usually duality), they have their choices reduced down to the point of an illusion(modern reality). Power introduces certain actions, and in turn gets the reactions from the people that is wanted. Usually out of fear and the need for one to "save themselves", which is just how the church/religion operates due to the manipulation.

Action: 9/11. Reaction: 2 wars that the people demanded, and felt they were getting their "choice" done.

Neo in the movie doesn't listen, and so proves that choice isn't just an illusion once one understands. Notice in the scene that the guy uses the cake in order to produce an action, and then gets the reaction he wanted to begin with in the bathroom. She thinks she is choosing, but in reality she is merely reacting.

Anyway, rambling a bit but the reason I mention this is because I see atheists vs believers as 2 groups of people who argue back and forth over if neo and the machines are literally real. It doesn't matter what side of that argument you are on, you missed the entire point of it all, which was the understanding about society it expressed.

I wouldn't necessarily say that I am an Atheist, and I do not know if the two people below are, but I still though that these were good.

"If a child runs into the room saying "Mummy, mummy! I love Jesus and He loves me! We're all going to Heaven when we die and God is looking over us!” people will smile and praise the child. Nobody would say "Don't be silly. You can't possibly say that because you don't fully understand everything about the religion. How can you know that for sure, when you've not read the Bible in the original Hebrew?!?” But if a child (or teenager, or adult) says "I've had a good think about it, and have come to the conclusion that Jesus is a myth and nothing in Christianity makes much sense. I declare myself to be a freethinking secular humanist.", then they are quite likely to receive the latter response. You could have all the theological training of a hedgehog and still get wild applause if you stand up and say you're a Christian, but it seems that atheists are required to demonstrate more intelligence and Biblical expertise than all the clergymen and theologians that have ever lived before they are allowed to publicly express their doubts."

Adrian Barnett

“Religion is like a blind man looking in a black room for a black cat that isn't there, and finding it.”

Oscar Wilde

Originally posted by bobbylove321
A lot of atheists believe that there's no God, and that you live once and then die.

However, there's a BIG fallacy in their belief.

Everyone IS energy, and energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

So therefore you won't just die and that's the end. Your energy still continues on forever.

Your physical body is only a vessel.

I'm tired of explaining this to people. If you don't get it, then honestly too bad for you.

Exactly, after 10 billion, 7 million or 20000 years or whatever anyone thinks, the one thing most people fail too see is that every piece of ground is covered from other beliefs in life even if you think its not a belief. To say you are an atheist is like saying you do not agree with science, logic, reality or anything else that produces even the most remote results.

Its blind ignorance to everything around you including yourself, it is a cheek to condemn anything else when you deny you exist.

Hence my quotes earlier in this post.

Everything is a belief because nothing is accurate, we are not perfect in ourselves, even the belief of science teaches that one.

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Easy now. Remember little children are taught by observation. They choose to agree with what they are taught or the choose to disagree. That is their right. Disagreements are just that, and if there were never any disagreements then having an argument would be no fun at all. This country was founded on one purpose. The Freedom of Religion. Once Religion is gone.....hmmm well i think the purpose is also gone. So be happy. Wars are not caused religion but by the misinterpretation of it. Peace, and some may disagree with me, is the only means to enlightenment.

Originally posted by Alaskan Man

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
Stephen Roberts

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.”
Richard Dawkins

“An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support.”
John Buchan

[edit on 7/12/2009 by Alaskan Man]

I've never heard any of these quotes, however they well describe the reason that I am agnostic.

edit: to remove space and un-needed text.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by Miraj]

reply to post by XXXN3O


It is my opinion that the advancement of a society is controlled by the one(s) who have conquered it.

reply to post by riddle6


I disagree for one because you said everybody. That is a term that puts....well everybody in that scenario. We have children out on the street starving to death, stealing, killing, and no one to turn to for help. What would you tell them to do.

Disregard you didn't say everybody...sorry.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by Conclusion]

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But doesn't that pretty much use the things others do as a way of validating ones own beliefs?

IE: You are only look at what people do in the name of god, rather than thinking about and gaining the understanding directly.

Let say you went and did alot of good things. And then men started to follow that, and praise you. Then some other men come along, start praising your name and doing things that are exactly the opposite of what you did and spoke about, and what you were against in the first place.

Now if that happened, would it be fair if people judged what you did and said based on the actions of those who praise your name, but do things opposite?

I don't think it would be very fair. But yet, this is status quo. This is exactly what "wolves in sheep clothing" do. They will embrace the names, symbolisms and culture of those people they manipulate in order be seen as "good in the eyes of men", and then all the while actually lead people away from that.

So for this reasons, any and all arguments which use and mention what people do in the name of god, should be invalidated as a belief. Unless of course, we are going to seperate god from what people do in the name of god, and then point out the flawed actions. Or as Jesus would say - looking at their fruits, rather than the name they do things in.

The people used in such arguments can expect to hear Matthew 7

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:

29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

Iniquity means sin. And in the example above, Jesus is actually warning of exactly those kind of people you mention. So how can we in good conscious make our decisions about such things based on the actions of those he specifically warns about?

I don't consider myself to be a Christian. But I am a big fan of Jesus and know he speaks the truth and gives real understanding. If I was unable to separate what he says from what those who do in his name say and do, then I wouldn't be able to be a fan of his. But I do, and I think it's the right and intelligent way to handle the subject.

If people are unable to see the manipulation between the 2, how are they going to realize it in other places? Religion is just 1 single area where it happens, it happens even more in politics, and is the normal status quo way of gaining power/control over others. They got on their "flag pins", so that you will know they care about America, but of course in their actions they do things completely against the principles the country was founded on. Am I to judge all of America based on the actions of GWB? I think not.