The Gay Agenda---Making America A Little More Gay Everyday!

Originally posted by jmotley
reply to post by jeasahtheseer

 

Congrats man. Hope you guys find a better place to live. I'm going through that now. I'm black, white, and Native American but look like I'm with a light tan. My son looks like he is straight white eventhough his mom is black he is already starting to catch it school because he is the lightest kid there and he's only 6

(I can't tell exactly which of my post you were replying to, because I have several on here).

I hope it gets better for your son, or you guys should just move away from that place. Because no kid deserves to be treated badly by ANYONE, even if its just his classmates and peers.

And NO CHILD should EVER be mocked and made fun of just because of their skin color, that is so wrong.

I sincerely hope it gets better for him, you guys are in my heart and thoughts.

Peace!



[edit on 15-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

[edit on 15-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

reply to post by VelvetSplash


Actually I was trying to make it really sad, I mean, like...really really ridiculously stupid. I'm still getting U2U's from people who are all mad because they think I'm serious .

And I guess I have succeeded. I'll get an A+ in civics class for this one.

~Keeper

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


There is a reason that people cannot marry siblings. What is that reason? Because when they have children, they have a huge chance of birth defects and mental disorders. I believe that is a good reason to disallow people who are related to get married. It really has nothing to do with "having sex" or with love, it has to do with blood ties, which causes deformities and mental disabilities.

And yes, it does happen within the animal kingdom, and when it does, the babies usually have problems, but NOT always.

I don't think that is an issue within the homosexual community. Try again.

Though I am aware of a couple who married and became pregnant. They found out that they were brother and sister who had been adopted out at birth. The child was fine.

Because they had been adopted out, met and married as adults not knowing they were related, they were allowed to stay married. It happens. Last I heard they were in therapy dealing with the situation. They love each other as man and wife, not as brother and sister, so yes they are dealing with the emotions this has brought to them.

To get married, become pregnant, and then find out you are siblings, that is terribly sad.

I don't think all homosexuals want to get married in the Christian church. I believe the issue is "the same benefits as anyone else who chooses to get married". I could be way off base, but I don't think so.

Personally, I think "marriage" should be completely removed from the equation. True separation of church and state. Everyone who wants a long term partnership, should get a "civil union", and if you belong to a religion, and want a religious ceremony, then you go to your specific religion for that ceremony. Example Wiccan? Have a hand fasting ceremony and sign your civil union contract. Anyway, Christianity stole the idea of marriage from the Pagans. Follow the history of marriage and you will find the first known cases of "marriage" were, I believe, from Irish Pagans.

Though no surprise here about that, Christianity also stole several other celebrations from the Pagans, such as Christmas and Easter for starters.

I thought stealing was not a good Christian thing to do? /shrugs

Someday, we WILL have true equality for all in this world, I don't think it will happen in my lifetime, which saddens me, but perhaps in my children's lifetimes. I hope so.

We are all human, at least most of us, not so sure about rapist and pedophiles, (;-( but someday I know humanity will move past the hate that many of us seem to feel for someone who is "different" than our self. It is part of what makes life interesting, that we are not all exactly alike.

And I am also interested in a question that has been asked and ignored. Those who are against homosexuals having the same rights as anyone else, what would you do, if your child grows up and they are homosexual? What will your reaction be? How will you feel about your child? Will you disown them? It is an appropriate question I feel.

I know that in my family, if it was found that someone was homosexual, they would be disowned, end of story.

I have a cousin who was a closet homosexual for most of his life. He married, had children, but as he become older he could not continue denying who he was. He divorced and admitted he was homosexual. Now many in my family have nothing to do with him, and won't even say his name. Several years after his divorce he met someone, and he is now happier than I had ever seen him, and I am pleased for him.

My niece wanted to marry someone of a different race, a Japanese man, and my sister and mom had a conniption fit and told my niece if she married this man they would disown her. And trust me, they would. And boy has she been messed up, she has been married three times to "nice white boys" since, who beat up on her and cheat on her. But hay, she keeps marrying the white boys, so all is good and well in the minds of certain family members. Who knows, if she had been allowed to marry the person she loved, who knows what her life would be like. But she was young, and gave into the pressure the family put on her and has been unhappy ever since.

My family is full of bigots, hypocrisy, racist and homophobes. They drive me crazy sometimes. It is like at many times, they cannot just live their lives, control their lives, they have to try and live other people's lives, and control what other people want to do in their lives. The hypocrisy? They cannot even live their lives decently. Yes, a judgment on my part as my family seems full of drug addicts, alcohol addicts as well as physical and emotional abuse, but that's all just fine and dandy, at least they are not homosexual or married to a different race.

What makes me shake my head at this hypocrisy? My family is racially diverse, we are Irish, English, German, French, Spanish and Native American. In my genealogy research, I am also finding that the chances are VERY great, that we also have African American in our ancestry. The very FEW times I have brought this up to my family, I am called a liar blah blah blah and to just hush up and stop poking around. Makes me wonder what the fear is, so I keep looking. LOL I hope to some day find irrevocable proof that they hate, what they are. Perhaps it will make them stop and think, but I doubt it.

So, GO FIGURE.

Why do I bring up the race issue? In my experience, it is those who are hateful in one area, are also hateful in other areas. In my experience those who are racist are also homophobes and vice-versa. I feel that it has to do with the psychology of non acceptance of differences, religious propaganda and FEAR. The fear part, is something which I so do not understand.

Anyway, sorry for the long rant. Hope I stayed within the bounds of this thread topic.

Harm None
Peace

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Be nice you silly goose

I think there is a lot more to worry about in the world at the moment than the gay agenda, I have no problem with people living any type of life they want unless it ruins my way of life, I see no major threat from gays. Just to add I am as straight as a pool que

I saw this on a person's blog. Maybe this will help open the eyes of some people who think that gay's are trying to "push their agenda" on the rest of us. They are people too, in love, with kids and a genuine affection for each other that goes beyond the boundaries of sex and fetishes.

When you can't see (emphasis mine)

You’ve just arrived home. The kids, having gotten home from school a few hours earlier, are going about their usual business. You walk into the kitchen and throw your briefcase on the counter, grabbing a glass out of the cupboard. As you walk towards the fridge to get some orange juice the phone rings, diverting you.

You pick it up. You stand there in stunned silence. The voice on the other end of the line informs you that your wife has been involved in a serious car accident.

You immediately hang up and dial your neighbour. You ask them to watch the kids while you go to the hospital, telling them that you’ll inform the kids of the situation once you know more. Your neighbour, who you’ve know for years, is aghast, but assures you that they’ll drop everything and come over.

The glass that you had grabbed remains empty on the counter, you grab your keys, get in your car, and drive like a madman.

On the way to the hospital your whole life flashes in front of your eyes – the seventeen years of marriage, the night you first kissed her, the look on her face when you asked her to marry you, the tears that filled the corners of her eyes as you were pronounced man and wife. The hard times are forgotten, the good times surging to the forefront of your memory – the birth of your children, the vacations, the laughter, those silent moments when you stared at each other in bed at night contented and at ease with yourselves.

You get to the hospital, park in a two-away zone, run into emergency, find the desk, ask where she is, and…

…you can’t see her.

Imagine that. Because that is the reality faced by many gay and lesbian couples in that exact situation. They are not considered immediate family, even if they have been together for decades. At that desk, with the one person that means more to them than anything possibly facing death, they are stopped.

I’ve read and heard a great deal about God in my life. If you’re of the opinion that God’s will is represented at that desk when a gay or lesbian person is stopped, then what is there to say other than God help you.

reply to post by nunya13


the thing that bothers me most about this post is - there are people who will read that and just not care

star

Originally posted by LouieKnowsJeetKuneDo i have a close friend who's gay and i hate it, simply because i assume that people assume I'm gay even thought I've never ever done anything remotely gay in my entire life. i don't know why it bothers me but it does. [edit on 14-7-2009 by LouieKnowsJeetKuneDo]

Originally posted by nunya13
I saw this on a person's blog. Maybe this will help open the eyes of some people who think that gay's are trying to "push their agenda" on the rest of us. They are people too, in love, with kids and a genuine affection for each other that goes beyond the boundaries of sex and fetishes.

When you can't see (emphasis mine)

You’ve just arrived home. The kids, having gotten home from school a few hours earlier, are going about their usual business. You walk into the kitchen and throw your briefcase on the counter, grabbing a glass out of the cupboard. As you walk towards the fridge to get some orange juice the phone rings, diverting you.

You pick it up. You stand there in stunned silence. The voice on the other end of the line informs you that your wife has been involved in a serious car accident.

You immediately hang up and dial your neighbour. You ask them to watch the kids while you go to the hospital, telling them that you’ll inform the kids of the situation once you know more. Your neighbour, who you’ve know for years, is aghast, but assures you that they’ll drop everything and come over.

The glass that you had grabbed remains empty on the counter, you grab your keys, get in your car, and drive like a madman.

On the way to the hospital your whole life flashes in front of your eyes – the seventeen years of marriage, the night you first kissed her, the look on her face when you asked her to marry you, the tears that filled the corners of her eyes as you were pronounced man and wife. The hard times are forgotten, the good times surging to the forefront of your memory – the birth of your children, the vacations, the laughter, those silent moments when you stared at each other in bed at night contented and at ease with yourselves.

You get to the hospital, park in a two-away zone, run into emergency, find the desk, ask where she is, and…

…you can’t see her.

Imagine that. Because that is the reality faced by many gay and lesbian couples in that exact situation. They are not considered immediate family, even if they have been together for decades. At that desk, with the one person that means more to them than anything possibly facing death, they are stopped.

I’ve read and heard a great deal about God in my life. If you’re of the opinion that God’s will is represented at that desk when a gay or lesbian person is stopped, then what is there to say other than God help you.

Awesome post! Star for you!

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


I know what you mean. But my intention was to help sway those who can be swayed away from ignorance and lack of compassion. I know it will have no effect on those who will never change their minds because they will never change their minds about anything their mind is already made up about. What a sad way to be man.

reply to post by nunya13

...But my intention was to help sway those who can be swayed away from ignorance and lack of compassion. I know it will have no effect on those who will never change their minds because they will never change their minds about anything their mind is already made up about. What a sad way to be man.

absolutely - and, I shouldn't have just dashed off such a negative response :-)

it was just the first thing I thought after reading your post - and I realized there would be people completely unmoved by it

but you're right of course - sometimes all it takes is for people to see that one thing in a way they'd never seen it before

Originally posted by amazed
reply to post by FraternitasSaturni

 

There is a reason that people cannot marry siblings. What is that reason? Because when they have children, they have a huge chance of birth defects and mental disorders. I believe that is a good reason to disallow people who are related to get married. It really has nothing to do with "having sex" or with love, it has to do with blood ties, which causes deformities and mental disabilities.

And yes, it does happen within the animal kingdom, and when it does, the babies usually have problems, but NOT always.

I don't think that is an issue within the homosexual community. Try again

Interesting you should bring up this issue as I chose to do the same in another thread at roughly the same time. Coincidence hey?

I think you are tying to fool yourself as to why you object against incest. Is it really because a brother and sister would produce mutated offspring that you object? What happens if a brother and sister have sexual intercourse but use conception and have no desire for children? Do you still consider this wrong? Why is it wrong? And if they have sex purely for sexual gratification, again, why do you consider this immoral?

A lot of heterosexuals think sex between two men goes against nature and is wrong. You ask why? Probably for the same reason you consider incest wrong...it just is in the eye of the beholder. Whether they are correct or not is not the issue, but the parallels that can be drawn between the two situations very much is!

reply to post by Bunken Drum Oops, thats alcohol for you! What I meant to say was:

Originally posted by LouieKnowsJeetKuneDo i have a close friend who's gay and i hate it, simply because i assume that people assume I'm gay even thought I've never ever done anything remotely gay in my entire life. i don't know why it bothers me but it does. [edit on 14-7-2009 by LouieKnowsJeetKuneDo]

So you're carrying the burden of stigmatisation without even getting anything out of it?
Thats uncool.
I suggest that you remedy the situation: offer your friend some mutual oral; its about the easiest way to get started since its quite difficult to do it so badly that someone would complain.
@least then you'll be getting off as a result of the sacrifice you daily make by liking someone thats gay.

I suppose I should watch what I say here but am I not entitled to my opinion and this is based on my experiences with gay people. Well, gay men in particular. I, for the most part, have believed in live and let live. Over the past few years I've had negative experiences concerning gay men. (no jokes lol). I'm straight and never had any inclination to dabble with men in a sexual manner. I love women too much. :-)

Around 3 years ago I moved to Newcastle in the North East of England. There is a relatively large Gay Scene there. The shared accommodation I moved into had 2 guys living there - one gay one straight. The gay guy, Lee, took a shine to me. I'm Scottish, a bit of a character and like a bit of a shindig. When we got home it ended up just myself and Lee chatting then the conversation came onto guys and gay guys. Without sounding too crude he basically offered to perform a sex act on me lol. I said I'm sorry but I am straight and not my thing to which he replied a mouth is a mouth and every straight guy should at least try it with a gay guy which, to me, sounds very contradictive...a straight guy should try a sexual experience with a gay guy? He had never had a sexual experience with a girl so I said he should try that too. He said no f****** way because he was gay! He asked if he came over to try it on with me would I knock him back...I said I'd knock him f****** out! and he went on a major strop! I was homophobic in his eyes lol and what a scene it became. Coincidentally, it turns out he had tried the same thing with a guy I worked with. AND at work, there was another gay guy (there were many, it was a call centre) with whom I was having a slanging match with, all in good fun, and during this he called me STRAIGHT BOY! lmao! But when I said that was just as bad as me calling him GAY BOY he said it wasn't. My manager disagreed and said I was well within my rights to make a formal complaint to which the gay fella THREW A STROP and called us all homophobic! Double standards is something I grossly detest.

I know people will say that's only a small minority but I could write loads about this kinda thing, all quite funny on the surface but when you delve a little deeper it isn't quite so funny. For instance, at a party there were two gay guys who both wanted to "pleasure" me and were quite adamant about it. It got physical and not in a pleasing manner. I'm not proud of this but I had to kick seven shades out of them after which I was branded HOMOPHOBIC! There is something everyone wants called EQUAL rights and respect for their way of life blah blah blah. Say for instance two guys tried to force their way upon a lassie in a sexual manner.....enough said don't you think? I know other gay people who would never dream of such a thing and are pretty much mortified about it but did admit that there is a LARGE proportion of gay guys who act in this manner. Straight from the horses mouth....Even they admit they hate gay guys who are too "in your face" with regards to the mannerisms, attitude yadda yadda yadda.

I know this post will probably attract negative responses but please don't form an opinion on me based solely on this. You don't know me and if you did and listened to me in person telling my stories you'd soon discover I'm a down-to-earth guy with a great sense of humour and all this is water off a ducks back. There is the view that any white male, straight, between 18 and 50 doesn't have any rights in this country and many others including USA, Australia as examples. If I started a straight movement or a white rights group etc we'd be branded racists, anti-gay...see where I'm coming from? Double standards. I'm not homophobic...that would imply I'm scared of gays? I'm not but I am scared of willy up my bum lol

Peace out

reply to post by itchy_tartan_blanket


I've just got to say something - maybe a couple of somethings

first - you're funny

no - really :-)

2nd - I'm guessing you're kinda cute

3rd - so much of what you just wrote just goes to show - it's just about life - and human experience - and how much of it is exactly the same for all of us

and last - no means no

that goes for everyone

I have news for all of you. There are no Gays. That's right! There are no Gays. Not in the sense that these people are leading you to believe.

Gay is a label used by individuals who practice a sexually deviant fetish.

They use the label to decieve the rest of us into believing they are a minority race that should have special rights, when in fact, they are the same as the rest of us, except for their deviant paraphilia or fetish.

In effect, it is their fetish that they want to give special recognition to, and no other fetish group does this. For example: do we see the cuckold fetish crowd looking for special minority status and recognition? DO we see the BDSM fetish community rising up and demanding special legislation to protect them or grant them some special status? NO, NO, NO!!

Gays are just people with a deviant paraphilic fetish/fantasy life.
Gays cannot reproduce, so they must recruit. They recruit by going after young boys and girls that can easily be influenced and manipulated.

I do NOT hate those people who call themselves Gay. However, I despise their agenda and their methods of achieving sexual gratification. It is filthy, dirty, spreads diseases and causes hemorrhoids.

Proctologists make money off of hemorrhoid operations and family law lawyers see Gay marriage as a huge cash cow. That's why such a small percentage of society is making so much headway with their agenda.

[edit on 15/7/09 by John Matrix]

Originally posted by Dark Ghost

Originally posted by amazed
reply to post by FraternitasSaturni

 

There is a reason that people cannot marry siblings. What is that reason? Because when they have children, they have a huge chance of birth defects and mental disorders. I believe that is a good reason to disallow people who are related to get married. It really has nothing to do with "having sex" or with love, it has to do with blood ties, which causes deformities and mental disabilities.

And yes, it does happen within the animal kingdom, and when it does, the babies usually have problems, but NOT always.

I don't think that is an issue within the homosexual community. Try again

Interesting you should bring up this issue as I chose to do the same in another thread at roughly the same time. Coincidence hey?

I think you are tying to fool yourself as to why you object against incest. Is it really because a brother and sister would produce mutated offspring that you object? What happens if a brother and sister have sexual intercourse but use conception and have no desire for children? Do you still consider this wrong? Why is it wrong? And if they have sex purely for sexual gratification, again, why do you consider this immoral?

A lot of heterosexuals think sex between two men goes against nature and is wrong. You ask why? Probably for the same reason you consider incest wrong...it just is in the eye of the beholder. Whether they are correct or not is not the issue, but the parallels that can be drawn between the two situations very much is!

Coincidences happen all the time, it is just how someone views those coincidences as to if they believe "it was meant to be" or not.

hmmm, you are making a claim that "I am fooling myself", when really I gave no in depth opinion, just stated some facts in regards to why siblings are not allowed to marry by law and agreed with it, as another poster was making some claims about siblings having relationships. Please don't assume what I think, and please don't put "words in my mouth" so to speak.

Incest, which is what sibling sexual relationships are, and homosexuality, are in no way equal or comparable. Try again.

Incest, will generally involve someone who is considered a person of authority. When you have someone who is considered the "authority" in a relationship, it is not an equal consenting adult relationship. Even being siblings, one is older and often "looked up to" by the younger sibling, even if the age difference is very small.

Meaning, incest relationships, do not involve consenting adults, they involve one party being an "authority" figure.

Consenting adults, doing what they want to do, is none of my business, neither is it yours. Consenting adults, is not such a confusing issue. What is confusing, is people trying to link consenting adults, with children, or animals, or incest or pedophilia etc etc. Personally, I view it as close minded to use excuses that do not involve consenting adults to try and make your points. So again, try again.

Consenting adults. What is so confusing about that?

Oh, and you did not answer.

What would your reaction be, if a child of yours grew up to be homosexual? I would love my child and support my child, no matter what.

How about you?

Harm None
Peace

reply to post by bobbylove321


Great summarisation. Although add Pedophilia and bestiality to that list. soon that will be normal as well.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis


absolutely - and, I shouldn't have just dashed off such a negative response :-)

Ehh, don't worry about it. I didn't take it the wrong way. I no what you meant.

Originally posted by John Matrix
In effect, it is their fetish that they want to give special recognition to, and no other fetish group does this. For example: do we see the cuckold fetish crowd looking for special minority status and recognition? DO we see the BDSM fetish community rising up and demanding special legislation to protect them or grant them some special status? NO, NO, NO!!

Gays are just people with a deviant paraphilic fetish/fantasy life.
Gays cannot reproduce, so they must recruit. They recruit by going after young boys and girls that can easily be influenced and manipulated.

[edit on 15/7/09 by John Matrix]

It's not about their fetishes or their sexual life. It's about being able to marry the person you love and want to spend the rest of your life with regardless of their sex. People with all kinds of fetishes get to marry their chosen partner all the time. The problem isn't defining gays as being paraphilic. It's about defining marriage as between one man and one women and that should not be for the government to decide.

Gays marrying hurts NO ONE. Not themselves, not society, and no other individual; therefore, there is no reason for the state to not recognize same sex marriage. The only reason they are trying to pass legislation saying they should be able to marry is because the state won't recognize it otherwise. There is no law that defines marriage so there's no reason for the state to deny a right if there is no law saying who can and can't get married.

They are not asking for SPECIAL rights the are asking for the SAME rights as everyone else.

And heterosexuals practice all kinds of "deviant" sexual behaviors also, including sodomy. But they get to marry the person with whom they chose to spend their lives with and enjoy LEGAL benefits that gays should also be able to enjoy. They also get to join the military.



Of course their are those who practice BDSM who are joining the fight because some of them are gay. Others who practice it don't need to join the fight because they already have these rights.

Edit to add:

If you want to play semantics about there being no such thing as gays, fine. I'll play that game. There might be no such thing as gays but there is such a thing as two men or two women who want to get married. Who cares about the label put on them.

[edit on 15-7-2009 by nunya13]

reply to post by influx.destruction


No one can enter into a contract of marriage without the consent the other person.

Since an animal cannot consent to such a thing, a person who practices bestiality cannot marry an animal. And a minor cannot enter into a contract without a parents permission so a person who is a pedophile cannot marry a child unless the parents consent to it, which I don't see someone letting that happen.

Marriage, therefore, is only between two consenting adults. Two men/women who want to marry are consenting adults, therefore, they should be able to.