Avian and swine flu vaccines cause sterility and death

In the UK, even 'normal' folk are seeing straight through this rubbish. Their are already thousands who are adamant they're not going to be vaccinated.

The fact that they rushed the safety check in FIVE days should set alarm bells ringing for anyone..

www.timesonline.co.uk...



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it wont happen

period

like i said up in my post

Worse case scenario - You can't specifically control a deadly flu pandemic. You can't pick and choose who gets it. Therefore I find it hard to believe that the swine flu was deliberately created & then released with the aim of culling the population. Why would the elitists put their own lives in jeopardy? Unless of course they have a cure. Do they have a cure?

All these plans to vaccinate everyone is more about greed, rather than some conspiracy to reduce the population. Some of the politicians are probably getting back handers from the drug companies for playing along and promoting their vaccines and that's all there is to it. There's no conspiracy.

Originally posted by kindred
Worse case scenario - You can't specifically control a deadly flu pandemic. You can't pick and choose who gets it. Therefore I find it hard to believe that the swine flu was deliberately created & then released with the aim of culling the population. Why would the elitists put their own lives in jeopardy? Unless of course they have a cure. Do they have a cure?

All these plans to vaccinate everyone is more about greed, rather than some conspiracy to reduce the population. Some of the politicians are probably getting back handers from the drug companies for playing along and promoting their vaccines and that's all there is to it. There's no conspiracy.

Two points, if I may:

In the documents published by the ideologues behind the "New American Century" they clearly show an inclination to flirt with the notion of being able to implement a genotype-specific virus or bio-weapon. They may (and I emphasize the word "may") not have the technology to do this, but it is clear that it is not an outrageous notion towards reaching their stated goals. While this may not be the 'one' virus, it is clear they are in the market for one. So I'm not so certain that they would really need a 'cure' per se.

In regards to your second point; what you propose about politicians getting 'incentives' to promote the exercise is, in fact, a conspiracy.

errrr I checked the project camelot site and I don't see anything mentioning John Waterman or anything from July 4th. Where is this interview?

The rancher doesn't kill his most productive bull.

The farmer doesn't till under his best crop.

Think about it.

Originally posted by jonny2410
No one will force you to have the vaccine so stop getting your knickers in a twist!

Oh No?

Originally posted by kindred
Worse case scenario - You can't specifically control a deadly flu pandemic. You can't pick and choose who gets it. Therefore I find it hard to believe that the swine flu was deliberately created & then released with the aim of culling the population. Why would the elitists put their own lives in jeopardy? Unless of course they have a cure. Do they have a cure?

All these plans to vaccinate everyone is more about greed, rather than some conspiracy to reduce the population. Some of the politicians are probably getting back handers from the drug companies for playing along and promoting their vaccines and that's all there is to it. There's no conspiracy.

I get the biggest kick reading what some of you post on these swine threads now........Too bad the good info left over a month ago........

Concerning why they would put their own lives at risk........Go back and look at the original swine flu thread for answers.......(hint) Do some homework on DNA RNA characteristics of the virus......

As far is there an antidote?...........Dig up what you can on the soilders in Kuwait who were hospitalized after showing H1N1 symptoms then were back on their feet in 24hrs after receiving an IV...........Okay back to my promise.......

If all the talk is correct, about the swine flu and vaccination being an attempt at depopulisation of the world, surely it can't be successful. Those who readily accept the vaccine, will be those people who would ultimately be more willingly herded by the NWO. In accepting it, they're demonstrating their belief that the government have got their best interests in mind. All of those who refuse it, are potentially the downfall of NWO as we will be doing everything in our power to ensure they don't succeed and always questioning their motives. As we are in their 'danger' group, how will they then act to control us? What if this isn't an attempt at depopulisation but an exercise for them to determine who are a risk to them? If the vaccination becomes mandatory, they will have a record of all those who willingly submitted to it, and who have outright refused. Surely it would make more sense for them to target us than others that have proven their trust in the government?

thanks to all taking part in this thread - very interesting. As far as i am concerned - and i am not by any means a "professional" - the eradication of smallpox as a result of vaccination is cited as a triumph of medical science. This "success" has spawned the development of further vaccines. Even today we can find advertisements by the pharmaceutical industry promoting vaccination and claiming that smallpox has been eradicated because of mass vaccination programs - there is a major flaw in this analysis: numbers of smallpox cases and deaths was in decline BEFORE vaccines were introduced (a close examination of graphs proves this to be true), in fact, the introduction of the vaccine impeded this trend of decline.

Vaccine: a multiple of pathogens, which would equal those ingested naturally, is injected in the belief that immunity would result - thus the attempt was made to achieve a state of natural immunity by artificial means.

If the said pathogens are introduced during the incubation period of any desease the patient's body has to fight two sets of toxins - this can prove fatal. And certainly, brain damage as a result of vaccination has been recognised since World War One.

The alleviation of extreme poverty and hunger illiminates the breeding ground for desease - the improvement of general hygiene, and the administration of the necessary foods stuffs and clean water has been, and remains, the ground for dwindling numbers of cases of serious desease; and NOT the introduction of vaccine programs.

A multi-billion dollar industry has been built on nothing more than what i personally describe as: Pumping toxins into children for profit.

Maybe it's all about eugenics, how can we kill off those of a genetic disposition that we don't espouse, i.e. those people with a propensity to obesity.

Is swine flu designed to kill off the obese? Is Henry Kissinger hidden in an airtight bubble for the duration? Are any other NWO protagonists obese?

www.physorg.com...

If they try this the first asteriod will be on itz way SMH LOOK UP

So, look...putting all the "tin-foil hat" concerns aside, there are some very real and serious issues arising from forced vaccinations. I'm quite sure this has been brought up before on ATS, but there were some very serious side effects, up to and including death, from the last swine flu vaccine in the 1970's. One of the most prevalent side effects was Guillain-Barré syndrome.

From medterms.com

Guillain-Barre syndrome: A disorder characterized by progressive symmetrical paralysis and loss of reflexes, usually beginning in the legs. The paralysis characteristically involves more than one limb (most commonly the legs), is progressive, and is usually proceeds from the end of an extremity toward the torso. Areflexia (loss of reflexes) or hyporeflexia (diminution of reflexes) may occur in the legs and arms. Guillain-Barre syndrome is not associated with fever, an important fact in differentiating Guillain-Barre from other diseases. Guillain-Barre usually occurs after a respiratory infection, and it is apparently caused by a misdirected immune response that results in the direct destruction of the myelin sheath surrounding the peripheral nerves or of the axon of the nerve itself. The syndrome sometimes follows other triggering events, including vaccinations. Among the vaccines reportedly associated with Guillain-Barre syndrome are the 1976-1977 swine flu vaccine, oral poliovirus vaccine, and tetanus toxoid. Aside from vaccinations, infection with the bacteria Campylobacter jejuni and viral infections can trigger Guillain-Barre syndrome.

Side effects such as this are bad enough on their own, but coupled with this next piece of information, it's becomes quite chilling.

Power grab by government sets stage for forced vaccinations

It all started at 5:17 a.m. EST on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 as dawn began to break in the nation’s Capitol and the Administration delivered the Homeland Security Bill (H.R. 5710) to the U.S. House of Representatives. By that night the House approved the bill 299 to 121 and sent it to the Senate. What would happen over the next seven days would change the historic balance of power between the Executive and Legislative branches of our government; give power to federal health officials to force vaccination of all citizens without their informed consent; and bar lawsuits against drug companies for injuries and deaths caused by bioterrorism and pediatric vaccines. The Homeland Security Bill was supposed to focus on setting up a new Department of Homeland Security to address the potential threat of future terrorist attacks against America in the wake of September 11, 2001. Yet, the 484-page bill not only created a new department to handle terrorism threats, it also provided for the biggest reorganization of the federal government since the Department of Defense was created in 1947 and removed the historic checks and balances that Congress has exercised over Presidential authority since the U.S. Constitution was written. In the process of granting unprecedented power to the President and federal government employees, Section 304 of the bill removed from the states their historic control over public health laws, including vaccination laws, and handed it over to federal health officials. Simultaneously, Sections 1714-1717 of the bill shielded the pharmaceutical industry from lawsuits for injuries caused by FDA-approved vaccines, such as mercury containing pediatric vaccines associated with the development of autism in many children.

So now, the government can force vaccinations on you, while at the same time protecting big pharma from lawsuits arising from the potentially devastating side effects.

For all of those who post in these threads accusing people of scare mongering, I suggest you do a little bit more research. There's more than enough to fear based solely on facts. No need to monger.

Two facts to bring up about vaccination:
1. If you reach critical mass with vaccination, then you can eradicate a disease from the population. Start reneging on vacinations as an outrageous report on measles happened a short while ago (triggered from ONE biassed/badly written scare monger story) and suddenly we got an outbreak of measles.
2. I did a biochemistry degree 20 years ago and then the technology for vaccinations was to produce the "coat" of the cell (not the cell itself) so that antibodies would be raised. The coat was benign, but fooled the body enough to create anti bodies.
Yes there will always be specific reactions to anything where mass injections occur. (that will happen statistically)

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One other thing to bear in mind:
1. Ask your GP if he/she has had the injection. Then ask for a second opinion. Then ask for a third. These people are usually highly intelligent people, would they kill themselves, their family or their community?

This conspiracy is highly dangerous and without balanced facts from both sides, could cause a worse problem than the immunisation is trying to stop - as had happend with the measles outbreak.

Here is a good article on the news regarding this. . .

Give swine flu vaccine to health workers first: WHO

Its basically stating that all medical workers should be given the swine flu shot, touches on problems and such. Good to see this being I was just reading this thread when I came across this.

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Originally posted by born2BWild
Here is a good article on the news regarding this. . .

Give swine flu vaccine to health workers first: WHO

Its basically stating that all medical workers should be given the swine flu shot, touches on problems and such. Good to see this being I was just reading this thread when I came across this.

Consider this... The vaccinations will be one of the final efforts to take us out. If they give the healthcare people a placebo, it will encourage the population to roll up their sleeve.

Either that or the healthcare workers will get the real thing, die and leave us with few people to take care of our needs. People panic, and they move in with their roboticized weapons (no need to care whether the forces (military or civilian) will "turn on the public...) and establish martial law...

Could go either way, but I would suspect the former.

Over the last 24 hours, people have posted to this thread with the following points.

1) vaccines have saved lives in the past so why wouldn't they now?
2) It's cheaper to let people die of the flu than to pay billions for a vaccine.
3) It may be easy to get around the 'mandatory' vaccination if you have a good relationship with your family doctor.
4) There's no evidence that the swine flu vaccine will be dangerous.

Here's my take on these responses.
It may be that in the past some vaccines did work as they are supposed to although the fact that France had the same drop in polio cases as the rest of the world even though they refused to use the polio vaccine makes me wonder how effective those early vaccines really were. But after reading about the aluminum and mercury that's deliberately put into vaccines as perservatives PLUS the fact that sloppy quality control means that lots of vaccines contain STUFF that shouldn't be there at all, means that even if the inactive virus fragment actually does it's job, the other stuff in the vaccine may be worse than the flu itself. That doesn't even take into consideration the risk that the PTB may deliberately engineer the vaccine to cause sterility. Global sterilization makes a lot more sense than a catastrophic one time mass die off, which would be extremely disruptive while a gradual decline in births would be far less traumatic.

As for the question of why pay billions to make a vaccine when the flu might do the job just as well, the answer is that governments, even ones that are under the thumb of the Illuminati, will be expected to do SOMETHING and this way, their corporate compatriots will earn a lot of money.

The notion that you can avoid the vaccine with a friendly doctor may be irrelevant. What if a public health nurse, backed up by armed national guard or local police knocks on your door and INSISTS that you and your family get injected right then and there? How are you going to fudge that?

The last point about there not being any evidence that the swine flu vaccine is dangerous is technically correct but given the history of deaths, sterilization,etc. from the avian flu vaccine, which was produced by Baxter, the fact that Baxter is now going to produce the swine flu vaccine should send off alarm bells in everyone. At the very least Baxter is incompetent, at worst they are willing accomplices to deliberately dispersing live swine flu across the globe along with the negative effects of both the avian and swine flu vaccines.

My hunch now is that the swine flu vaccine will not kill large numbers of people but it could sterilize hundreds of millions around the globe. Consider this scenario. Baxter or someone else engineers a flu virus that is highly contagious, and somewhat more deadly than ordinary flu but not deadly enough to threaten civilization. Then the Illuminati-controlled governments have the excuse to mass vaccinate billions around the globe with a vaccine that causes sterility. Years will go by before the sterility will become obvious but it will be difficult to prove that the vaccine was the cause and the controlled media will find so called experts who will blame pollution, other diseases, stress, etc. Nobody will be held accountable. Naturally not everyone will be sterile and you can bet that the Elite will have protected themselves from both the flu and the vaccine. With a very small number of children born in future years(relatively speaking), the government will control them under the excuse of 'protecting' them. It will be easy to brainwash them into supporting Big Brother.

Interesting information about vaccines in this article.

fourwinds10.com...

and this one too.

fourwinds10.com...

reply to post by Studenofhistory


And too those who are on the fence about the site fourwinds10.com, in the first link provided above, it was originally published on the site: Vaccine May Be More Dangerous Than Swine Flu

As for the second link it's a really interesting article. Although I have to say there is bunk information floating around fourwinds10, This article appears to be well researched, however I'm not all too sure about the links provided as sources.


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