Obama was born in Hawaii and is our President.

Originally posted by whatukno
You guys really don't like the FactCheck.org article do you? I posted it and everyone ignores it like the 800lb Gorilla. Or they make up some idiotic slander that FactCheck was created by Obama and Ayers.

Whatukno .. buddy ... it isn't 'idiotic slander' to expose the fact that FactCheck is run by Annenberg and Obama was on the Annenberg Board, not to mention that Annenberg is a donor/supporter of Obama.

Factcheck is tainted and not a reliable 'deny ignorance' source when it comes to Obama. Sorry. That's not idiotic slander. That's just the way it is.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Walkswithfish

 

Well no, in this thread his citizenship is an issue.

Those other issues? Yes quite important, but off topic for this issue.

My apologies for the apparent misdirection of topic, but there is relativity, it is all a matter of perspective. Importance and relativity are in my opinion ON TOPIC here.

My opinion is that President Obama's citizenship is in itself a deflectionary tactic meant to draw out the opposition and give them a point to focus their efforts and attention thus wasting theirs and others time on a completely pointless, baseless allegation, which the Obama administration would like to keep drawn out and shrouded in mystery for as long as possible.

It works for them, not against them.

They could put this and other allegations and issues to rest very easily, but have not... There is a reason for that and, it should be painfully clear by now.

Meanwhile, shocking new developments in the Jackson case...

...


[edit on 12-7-2009 by Walkswithfish]

Originally posted by whatukno
I could have put my race as anything I wanted.

I like the martian thing. that would have been great.

Seriously .. when I was in corporate security and we had to get people security clearances, there were only certain terms that were considered acceptable for government paperwork. Negro, negroid and black were the only ones acceptable for a black person. We couldn't use continents as 'races'.

Back then, I'm sure they were even more strict.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Are you a birth certificate expert? It was apparent to be that you werent. The accusation here regarding the naming and other tiblets on the birth certificate are not sufficient to proof the BC as fake, you are not experienced in the field of forensics, you dont know how differently the birth certificates world across each state therefor you dont have standing in this matter.

Regarding the fact "his fathers race was put as african" heres my take. Because his father was not born in these United states his father got the opportunity to choose which race or ethnic group he was, being africa I dont find it illogical he chose african, as he is from africa. At then end of the day though flyer you or I are not experts in this matter, the experts, those experienced in Hawaiian birth certificates, that being the Hawaiia state department, already concluded it to be authentic.

It doesnt help your "campaign" here if you continue shooting at little tiblets of the BC. Without any relevant evidence flyers you and your buddies are going to continue to spend your time fuming for the next 8years of this administration.

If he was born off US soil, come up with the evidence if you well and truly believe so.

SG

The point of arguing what could have happened, how he could have gotten the certification is moot. If those points had been pressed before he became president maybe he would have had to respond, but now that he is president he does not. To undue a thing you must have proof that it as fraudulent or whatever, you can't just question it. Proof is now on those that don't believe he was born in Hawaii, Obama has absolutely no legal or even moral obligation to provide any additional proof of his citizenship.

Star and kudos to the OP for the research, boos and two for those that continue to argue the point with nothing but a big bag of denial offered as proof.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by SuperViking

 

If that is the way you feel about ATS then why are you still here

To mock people that are obviously ignorant and to try to help some emotionally/mentally weak people realize that the ridiculous bull# on this site isn't real.

I mean, think about it: If Obama is the product of some evil, nefarious NWO or something why would the NWO purposely pick someone who had a huge obstacle to overcome in the first place? It makes no sense.



[edit on 12-7-2009 by SuperViking]

reply to post by whatukno


We stubbornly refuse to believe it because you don't have the evidence to prove it one way or another, your assumption is as good as anyone elses.

Obama is the President of the United States. Im sorry but this carries with it some responsibilities of trust. Governing a country so rich with patriotism and freedom requires transparancy by goverment appointed servents.

There is not one reason on Gods green earth why he shouldn't have produced a long form bith certificate along time ago. There is no reason you can give because there isn't one, it frankly defies common sense.

I can understand you support Obama, I can understand you not seeing the problem with him obtaining and maintaining office even if he was born outside the US. What I can't understand is why you choose to defend a goverment servent who has sworn to uphold the consititution and serve the people yet fights to conceal every record of any importance that could put this all to an end quickly and quietly.

Give me a break.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by Helious]

Six times the people have brought this case before a courtroom. Let us look at these cases individually...

In most of these cases, they were thrown out due to "lack of standing"

Wikipedia defines Legal Standing as:

Standing or locus standi is the term for ability of a party to demonstrate to the court sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged to support that party's participation in the case. In the United States, the current doctrine is that a person cannot bring a suit challenging the constitutionality of a law unless the plaintiff can demonstrate that the plaintiff is (or will imminently be) harmed by the law. Otherwise, the court will rule that the plaintiff "lacks standing" to bring the suit, and will dismiss the case without considering the merits of the claim of unconstitutionality. In order to sue to have a court declare a law unconstitutional, there must be a valid reason for whoever is suing to be there. The party suing must have something to lose in order to sue unless they have automatic standing by action of law.

Berg v. Obama

The link above is to the PDF file for this particular case. Long story short, it was thrown out due to lack of standing.

Martin v. Lingle

Source: the.honoluluadvertiser.com...

Wrotnowski v. Bysiewicz

Source: www.nypost.com...

Donofrio v. Wells

Source: www.washingtonpost.com...

Keyes v. Bowen

Alan Keyes and Markham Robinson, chairman of the American Independent Party and a California candidate for president elector, filed a lawsuit on November 14, 2008 requesting that Obama provide documentation that he is a natural born citizen of the United States. Keyes also said in an interview that he would not be in favor of amending this requirement of the Constitution.

In another lawsuit, plaintiffs, including Keyes, subpoenaed a copy of Obama's birth certificate. The Hawaii health department denied that request citing confidentiality laws, and a state court dismissed the suit. Keyes asserts that statements by Obama's Kenyan grandmother "raise doubts as to whether Barack Obama is in fact a natural born U.S. citizen, eligible to be president, "although the full transcript of the interview indicates that Obama's grandmother did not raise doubts of his place of birth.

On March 13, 2009, California Superior Court Judge Michael P. Kenny issued a tentative ruling dismissing the case. The Court sustained, without leave to amend, Secretary Bowen's and Obama's demurrers on Keyes' petition for writ of mandate and granted Obama's motion to quash the subpoena. Keyes was found not to be entitled to the records he sought, thereby declaring the case moot.

Hollister v. Soetoro

On March 5, 2009, a lawsuit filed by Philip Berg on behalf of Gregory S. Hollister, a retired Air Force colonel, was dismissed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia. The presiding judge, James Robertson, said the case was a waste of the court's time, calling Berg and another lawyer "agents provocateurs" and their local counsel, James Hemenway, "a foot soldier in their crusade." He ordered Hemenway to show cause why he should not pay the legal fees for Obama's attorney as a penalty for filing a complaint "for an improper purpose such as to harass."

Are we getting the picture here?

Obama was born in Hawaii. The state of Hawaii has confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii is a state in the United States of America. Obama, being born in Hawaii is eligible for the office of POTUS.

Six times (now seven, not including citizen grand juries) have brought this case before courtrooms only to be turned away because it's all a bunch of bull.

The reason it is a bunch of bull is the fact that Obama was born in Hawaii and the officials in the state of Hawaii have confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Obama has put his birth certificate up on the internet for people to view. After a while a person has to do their job. Obama was elected to be President of the United States. This is a busy job and when one is the president one does not have the time to constantly provide proof of his eligibility to every man woman and child on the face of the planet.

Besides the court system the legislative branch also confirmed Obama as POTUS. Not everyone in the legislative branch was happy that Obama won I can guarantee. McCain certainly was not happy that Obama won but as a member of Congress he not only graciously accepted defeat he had to also confirm that Obama is the President.

For even further proof:



Source: blogs.starbulletin.com...

(if y'all can use a blog as definite proof than so can I)

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
his father got the opportunity to choose which race or ethnic group he was,

It doesn't work that way. At least, it didn't back then.

you or I are not experts

You don't have to be an 'expert' to know that 'african' is not a race.
My race isn't "American". Intrepids race isn't "North American".
Asala's race isn't 'European".

black, negro, negroid, white, caucasian, cacasoid.
These are the official terms used by the US Gov't on documents
for people with black or white skin.

It doesnt help your "campaign" here

I'm not campaigning. I'm just stating facts.

fuming for the next 8years of this administration.

8 years? Let's see if there is even a country left after 4 years of
this clown.

If he was born off US soil,

I happen to believe that he WAS born in Hawaii. But I also happen to believe his birth certificate is seriously screwed up or there is something on it that he doesn't want people to see .. that doesn't fit into his carefully painted picture of himself. It's obvious that he is hiding it. All these teams of lawyers and all this money spent, when all he would have to do is simply release it.

Originally posted by SuperViking
If Obama is the product of some evil, nefarious NWO or something why would the NWO purposely pick someone who had a huge obstacle to overcome in the first place? It makes no sense.

The NWO has to have something on Obama to keep him in line. What better 'something' then legal documents showing Obama isn't eligible to be POTUS or legal documents showing Obama's carefully crafted stories about himself are bunk?

The NWO would LOVE information that would squash Obama.
It would be used to keep him being a good little tool.

Give it a rest people.

Obama was born in Hawaii and Hawaii is a state ergo Obama is a citizen...the thing is some people just don't like him, never will and they will believe every little bit of slander and rumor the hard right noise machine throws out to somehow delegtimize him as our president.

They did the same sort of thing to Clinton as well.

Sour grapes is all it is.

Originally posted by grover
They did the same sort of thing to Clinton as well.

Like what?

I remember the left whining in 2000 and 2008 'Bush stole the election' but what did people say about Clintons wins being illegitimate? I don't remember.

Sour grapes is all it is.

Wanting the POTUS to prove that he's eligible to be POTUS isn't 'sour grapes'. It's exercising our rights as Americans to make sure that the Constitution is being followed.

No one said the Clinton wins were illegitimate but they spread all sorts of lies and rumors about him which all proved according to the final special counsel report to be false except that he couldn't keep it in his pants... to the tune of 60 million.

He has proved his birth to everybody's satisifcation except for some on the hard right...who despise him anyway.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
It doesn't work that way. At least, it didn't back then.

Source?

You don't have to be an 'expert' to know that 'african' is not a race.

I dont have to be an expert to know thats your personal opinion. Did you know that most countries of the americas you can be as black as oil and you can still consider yourself white or latino by Law? Check it out, the views of race are not shared across the world as it is in america, and that doesnt necessarily have to be modern times as well.

Some sources to back up your argument please.

black, negro, negroid, white, caucasian, cacasoid.
These are the official terms used by the US Gov't

Mr Obama snr spent the majority of his adult hood outside of these United states. His way of seeing things do not necessarily match with the official views of americans at the time. Again cite the source to back up your argument of over this matter.

I'm just stating facts.

What facts? You cite that because Obamas fathers racial identity was african aside from noting that foreigners at the time had the choice to choose their identity in listing on the certificate, this automatically makes it fake right? Techdude, the masked blogger who though Bush was godsent told you this right? The United states government didnt at the time nor now have the authority to assume the race of a foreigner, foreigners had the choice to list it, as did either partner.

You know what would prove your argument here, if you can confirm to me that the term "african" has never been used prior to the 1960s. Please enlighten me here.

Let's see if there is even a country left

You folks left this country to the dogs over the last 8years, Im pritty sure by 2012 when the man gets re-elected the country would be in full swing, with the notable excuse that "the entire economic recovery was just part of a cycle".

I happen to believe that he WAS born in Hawaii.

Yet you continue to play with the birthers on this matter, eh?

[edit on 13-7-2009 by Southern Guardian]

The thing is...Mr. Obama could present a solid gold birth certificate notarized by the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost and the hard right would still reject it.

That is why this is not only a non-issue except for a few loons but one of the reason why I find it impossible to take anything the right says seriously anymore...

I used to be able to at least consider their point of view but they have made such consistent asses of themselves with their off the chart claims that I have no choice but to consider them comic relief on a good day and annoying static the rest of the time.

Where is their moral outrage...indeed why isn't there a thread...about the revelation that the CIA hid on the orders of Cheney a black ops program from Congress for almost eight years in direct violation of the law?

Nowhere...they save their outrage for fantasies and lies.

reply to post by FlyersFan


If you believe that he was born in the US than he obviously is eligible for the job as POTUS.

I don't think I have ever heard of people being so nitpicky about a president's birth record before this. Do you think that GWB had to show his long form birth certificate to anyone? Do you think that GWB would have a clue what the long form birth certificate is?

Probably would have mistaken it for a longhorn birth certificate and asked why anyone would want to know where his cow was born.

Originally posted by grover
The thing is...Mr. Obama could present a solid gold birth certificate notarized by the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost and the hard right would still reject it.

Obama's followers would also reject it. Because to have a birth certificate would make Obama lessor than the trio mentioned. Because none of the above have birth certificates either.

Let's forget about the birth certificate for a second. When Obama attended college (under the name of Barry Soetoro) he obtained financial aid reserved for foreign students. So either he is a foreigner or he committed fraud in obtaining these funds. Which is it?

www.investors.com...

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College . Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California.

[edit on 13-7-2009 by RRconservative]

reply to post by RRconservative


The article is a Hoax. www.naturalsolutionsradio.com...

anyone want to find the source Associated Press article for this? I will bet that you can't. Are you that desperate RRconservative to resort to using hoaxed info in order to justify your claims?

[edit on 7/13/2009 by whatukno]

reply to post by whatukno


The article is indeed a hoax. It was an april fools prank. In fact, a quick search on Google for "Americans for Freedom of Information" returns this as their site: amfoi.wordpress.com.... At best this is a satire site.

In addition, the AP article NEVER comes up from a valid AP publisher-- only from biased anti-obama sites.

So this will probably continue into the urban legends, but for the record, there is no evidence that ever took that foreign student money or that he was even registered as Barry S. (although he did and probably still does use the nickname Barry).

reply to post by rogerstigers

1). Posting: You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate.

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So RRconservative, do you care to make a revision or amplify your statement?

Are the Birthers so sad and pathetic to stoop to flat out lying to try and justify this non-issue, issue?

[edit on 7/13/2009 by whatukno]