How did officials know most of Flight 93 was buried?

Something just occurred to me:

How did officials know most of Flight 93 was buried underground*?

The ground supposedly self-sealed the hole that the 757 would had to have made, thus blocking the view that anything was down there:



The reports are that the FBI had to dig about 15ft under this 10ft-deep crater to start finding most of the claimed 80% of the Boeing 757. They allegedly found one of the Black Boxes at that depth.

But how did they know the plane was down there if the ground sealed itself up as reported?????

No one knew where most of the plane was after the alleged crashed. A lot of the first witnesses thought most of the plane had disintegrated, or had bounced in the woods because hardly anything was left in the shallow crater!!!





Did officials know most of the plane was buried before excavating the ground, or did they just happened to find most of the plane when digging?

If they knew most of the plane was already below the ground, how did they know that? If they just happened to find most of the plane when digging, why didn't the next day's news headline read: Most of Flight 93 found underground

Certainly most of a Boeing 757 having buried itself underground without people knowing it would have be very newsworthy, especially being one of the 9/11 planes.


PS - *And by the way skeptics, feel free at any time to post your extraordinary proof to support the extraordinary official claim that most of Flight 93 did indeed bury itself.

[edit on 10-7-2009 by ATH911]

i dont know why youre asking these questions. they seems to be relatively pointless in the big picture of this.

[edit on 10-7-2009 by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest]

A plane did not crash

my gosh look at the other plane crashes ....geeezzz

Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
i dont know why youre asking these questions. they seems to be relatively pointless in the big picture of this.

From the threads posted, it seems he is in a competition to do as little research as possible while posing as many banal questions.

Why is it so hard to read up on the information available? None of us have special powers to be able to investigate this any better than you, start here: wtc7lies.googlepages.com...

Originally posted by dino1989
A plane did not crash

Really? Then how come the DNA and personal effects of the passengers were found at the crash site? How come the FDR and CVR recorded all the way up until impact? How come the passengers phoned their families and told them they were going to try and assault the cockpit?

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not enough evidence to support either claim. The whole countries a sham

Originally posted by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
i dont know why youre asking these questions. they seems to be relatively pointless in the big picture of this.

Is that because you agree that the claim most of a 757 was buried is ridiculous?

Originally posted by exponent
So you can insult me, but not provide evidence, I see.

I know, these truthers are so insulting, like this one:

"it seems he is in a competition to do as little research as possible while posing as many banal questions."

Oh wait, that insult was from you!

OK, back on topic:

How did officials know most of Flight 93 was buried?

Forgive my being lazy and not linking to the website/picture, but there are plenty of pictures available of the Shanksville mine before 9/11.
It's coincidentally the rough size and shape of a 757 in head on profile.
Of all the fields in all the counties around there it supposedly happened to crash into a scar on the earth that is roughly the size and shape of a 757. What an amazing coincidence! It even aligned the wings perfectly to the length of the mine. One or two degrees off, and it would have spoiled the symmetry.

I'm sooooooo amazed at how many mad coincidences there were that day!

Impossible that anyone could have been there prior to 9/11 to dig some plane parts into the...ahem... very loose soil. Perhaps that's why the soil was so loose. It hadn't been worked in a while otherwise.

Experiment: Go find some sand. Park, golf course, beach...wherever you can.
Take a dart. Any size. I'll even accept those skinny 20 gram ones. Make sure it has a flight on it.
Throw it as hard as you can at the sand.
Did it completely disappear into the sand, or did the flight stick out?

Surely even the softest earth would compress once the 'slack' was taken by the 150' of very large aircraft going nose first into it. There would be some resistance at some point before the entire aircraft was swallowed by the notoriously 'quicksand-like' Pennsylvanian soil. For the entire aircraft - including tail section - to completely disappear under the ground, leaving only an incriminating headscarf and ID card above the ground is quite astounding.

It's magic.

Originally posted by ATH911
OK, back on topic:

How did officials know most of Flight 93 was buried?

That's like asking how officials knew Flight 447 From Brazil to Paris crashed in the ocean, since the water covered up the plane debris when it entered the water.

You cant honestly believe the ground looked "undisturbed" after the impact?

Seismograph. But then they would have a seismograph image available as evidence. That would be the only solution I can think of that would give the resolution needed to identify the planes remains. By the way I am not saying wether or not the plane did crash.

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How did officials know most of Flight 93 was buried underground?

They read the official script.

Originally posted by gavron
That's like asking how officials knew Flight 447 From Brazil to Paris crashed in the ocean, since the water covered up the plane debris when it entered the water.

You cant honestly believe the ground looked "undisturbed" after the impact?

Talk about your 's.

Gavron apparently thinks planes bury themselves all the time when they hit the ground as often as planes sink under water when they crash in the ocean.

We should nominate his hilarious comparison for a Stundie.

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Perhaps he and many others on this forum were raised on the Simpsons and Roadrunner and believe that cartoon physics are normal physics?

The New Physics?

LESSON 1, EFFICIENT DISPLACEMENT: A character passing through a solid object will leave a hole in the outline of its body.
(Also called the silhouette of passage, this phenomenon is the speciality of victims of direct-pressure explosions and reckless cowards who are so eager to escape that they exit directly through the wall of a house, leaving a cookie-cutout perfect hole. The threat of skunks or matrimony often catalyzes this reaction.)

LESSON 2, VARYING GRAVITY: Everything falls faster than an anvil. Corollary: Boulders, pianos, and safes fall only slightly faster than an anvil.

LESSON 3, GRAVITATIONAL COGNIZANCE: Gravity does not take effect until characters notice that they are not standing on anything.
(Wile E. steps off a cliff, expecting further cliff. He loiters in midair, soliloquizing flippantly, until he chances to look down. At this point, the familiar principle of 32 feet per second per second takes over.)

LESSON 4, MANIC AERONAUTICS: Any character who holds a feather in each hand can fly if he flaps his arms. Corollary: This flight is only temporary, lasting long enough to place the character over a large drop.

LESSON 5, EXPLOSIVES: An explosion cannot cause fatal injuries, but only leave a character temporarily charred and smoking.

LESSON 6, BASICS OF CARTOON THEORY: Gravity poses the greatest threat to cartoon characters.

LESSON 7, GRAVITATIONAL SOUND EFFECTS: Characters sometimes generate the sound of a nose-diving plane when falling great distances. Corollary: Boulders and other heavy items whistle when falling.

LESSON 8, ACOUSTIC DENTITION: Any coyote, cat, or duck will have piano keys for teeth after a piano is dropped on it. Corollary: This holds true regardless of whether or not the creature originally had teeth.

LESSON 9, CARTOON MAIL ORDER: Any item ordered by mail will arrive as soon as the order is deposited in a mailbox.

LESSON 10, CARTOON CESSATION: After enduring a certain level of abuse, a character can end a cartoon.

LESSON 11, CARTOON MOTOR VEHICLE CODE: Animals can drive. They are encouraged to drive large vehicles, such as 18-wheelers.

LESSON 12, CARTOON EXISTENCE: Chased characters are never harmed. Corollary: Chasing characters always lose.

LESSON 13, CARTOON EXISTENCE II: Cartoon characters have remarkable recuperative abilities.

LESSON 14, INVENTOR'S PRINCIPLE: Chasing characters are often great inventors. Corollary: Invariably, each of their inventions has a fatal flaw.

LESSON 15, INFINITE MOMENTUM: Any body in motion will tend to remain in motion until solid matter intervenes suddenly.
(Whether shot from a cannon or in hot pursuit on foot, cartoon characters are so absolute in their momentum that only a telephone pole or an outsized boulder retards their motion absolutely Sir Isaac Newton called this sudden termination of motion the Stooge's Surcease.)

LESSON 16, ILLUSORY LANDSCAPES: Chased characters can escape into fake landscapes painted on solid walls and giant easels. Corollary: Chasing characters will experience the same fake landscape with a much more realistic result.
(This trompe l'oeil inconsistency has baffled generations, but at least it is known that whoever paints an entrance on a wall's surface to trick an opponent will be unable to pursue him into this theoretical space. The painter is flattened against the wall when he attempts to follow into the painting. This is ultimately the problem of art, not science.)

LESSON 17, PROTOPLASMIC DISPLACEMENT: In an impact, the character temporarily takes the shape of the inanimate object with which it collides.

LESSON 18, TEMPORARY ATOMIZATION: Characters can produce large objects from behind their backs or inside their clothes or fur.
(Characters who are intended to be 'cool' can make previously non-existent objects appear from behind their backs at will. For instance, the Road Runner can materialize signs to express himself without speaking.) 'Uncool' characters (e.g. Wile E. Coyote,) may also bend the rules of object permanence, but only in times of impending doom. See Wile E.'s use of such signs as "YIPE!" or "OH, NO!")

LESSON 19, VEHICULAR SPONTANEITY: Large moving vehicles will not appear until a chasing character steps into the road.

LESSON 20, CREEPING GRAVITY: Gravity affects a falling character's body in sections.

LESSON 21, EXPLOSIVES II: If an explosion is powerful enough, it can blast a character clear through the earth to China.

LESSON 22, VARYING GRAVITY II: The time required for an object to fall twenty stories is greater than or equal to the time it takes for whoever knocked it off the ledge to spiral down twenty flights to attempt to catch it unbroken.
(Such an object is inevitably priceless, the attempt to catch it inevitably unsuccessful.)

LESSON 23, FEARFULL GRAVITATION: All principles of gravity are negated by fear.
(Psychic forces are sufficient in most bodies for a shock to propel them directly away from the earth's surface. A spooky noise or an adversary's signature sound will induce motion upward, usually to the cradle of a chandelier, a treetop, or the crest of a flagpole. The feet of a character who is running or the wheels of a speeding auto need never touch the ground, >especially when in flight.)

LESSON 24, SPEEDY MULTIPLICATION: As speed increases, objects can be in several places at once.
(This is particularly true of tooth and claw fights, in which a character's head may be glimpsed emerging from the cloud of altercation at several places simultaneously. This effect is common as well among bodies that are spinning or being throttled. A 'wacky' character has the option of self-replication only at manic high speeds, and may ricochet off walls to achieve the velocity required.)

LESSON 25, FELINE INDENTABILITY: A violent rearrangement of feline matter is impermanent.
(Cartoon cats possess even more deaths than the traditional nine lives might comfortably afford. They can be decimated, spliced, splayed, accordian-pleated, disassembled, folded, spindled or mutilated, but they cannot be destroyed. After a few seconds of blinking self-pity, they reinflate, elongate, snap back, or solidify.Corollary: A cat will assume the shape of its container.)

LESSON 26, SPITEFULL REVERSABILITY: For every vengeance there is an equal and opposite revengeance.
(This is the one law of animated cartoon motion that applies to the physical world at large. For that reason, we need the relief of watching it happen to a coyote.)

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It's interesting that when the news reported finding one of the black boxes on the 13th and then the other one on the 14th, both times they NEVER comment about any of the estimated 48tons of other wreckage underground that should have been mixed in with the black boxes!

Just shows you no plane was buried in the ground, therefore proving the official story a lie and thus proving a conspiracy.

Originally posted by ATH911
Just shows you no plane was buried in the ground, therefore proving the official story a lie and thus proving a conspiracy.

Yet again I come across another perfect example of bias in truther minds. Never mind that the CVR and FDR were actually recovered, apparently the media not talking about debris at the same time is proof.

Really? "proof"? Are you genuinely stating that because the media didn't talk about the debris that was being excavated then that eliminates any other possibility and proves that 911 was an inside job?

Of course, no layman would believe this, and in fact it is quite a stretch even for a conspiracy theorist, but it shows you how topics like this are a red herring, they are not actually investigating the facts, simply looking for more things to claim as unexplained and therefore proof of their theory, even though their theory is little more than "911 was an inside job".

If "911 was an inside job", why the heck would the US government have to fake a plane crash? Why didn't they just have their operative crash there like they did with WTC1 and 2? How do you explain the massive amounts of evidence surrounding this crash? The fields full of debris, the DNA, the FDR, the calls from the plane etc etc etc...

Just more speculation and wishful thinking.

How did they know that most of it was buried? They didnt...till they started digging.

Why did they start digging? Because witnesses pointed out where they saw the plane hit, they found a hole with pieces of wreckage on top of it and all around it.

In other words, they used common sense to start digging there.