This is just amazing, Guy can boil water with his own energy

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Well I thought that experiments were often times designed to REMOVE bias? Like the use of a Blind in an experiment? Or a DOUBLE blind? After all an experiment is a measuring device right?

Isn't that the whole point to remove anything that could influence the decision in the favor one direction or another to just get the pure logic and data, remove the bias?

I myself absolutely HATE the idea of the Big Bang. I think it completely SUCKS! I used to think (and still want to) that the Universe NEVER had a beginning and that there are stars for infinity in every direction.

Unfortunately my want conflicts with things like the Doppler red shift, background radiation, the galaxies all moving away from each other, Star Formation and stars having type 1, 2, and 3 categorization. I cannot ignore this evidence and say "Well that is just like your opinion man". Damn Red Shift keeps punching me in the beak every time I try and ignore it.

My desire for the truth outweighs my desire for my own opinion to get in the way.

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Well thats fair enough.. But it really depends on how you want to have it demonstrated and by whom?

The subject would be anyone claiming the ability to manifest this Chi energy and the observers would be an independent scientific body capable of designing a test that would eliminate any possible explanations other than that given by the subject. If the subject can still produce this energy then it would be clear that something, called Chi by the subject, exists.

So why deny an energy just becasue it can not be tested right now?

But it can be tested via the method above. It’s important to distinguish between the ability to directly measure something; the ability to measure its effects and the ability explain both. If your goal is only to determine existence then either of the former two are acceptable.

But everything we see and test is through the eyes of humans..

lol, I don’t mean it to seem like I’m out to contradict everything you say but…

We can’t naturally perceive ultra violet waves but we have developed means to do this using artificial means. We also don’t have to observe something directly, as with gravity (there’s a reason I wrote it all out) we can infer its existence because we can perceive its effects.

Now there may be things that we are biologically incapable of perceiving or comprehending but if that’s the case then we wouldn’t be having a debate about any of them because, well, we wouldn’t be able to perceive them. If however we can perceive their effects then we come back to the need to demonstrate these effects in the lab before they can be accepted as real which can still be done.

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cyril takayama is amazing! I was just thinking that he must use these techniques as well, when he boils the cup of noodles from the supermarket - not sealed.

I just saw a video then where he reaches into the screen on metal gear solid 4 and takes off snakes headband lol, then puts a playing card inside the game, pulls the spades symbol off, attatches it to the headband and puts it back on snakes head. Then he signs the card in the tv with a normal pen and pulls it out, it's insane. No idea how the hell he does that aha.

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Hey Mr. Miyagi did that in Karate Kid!!!
And it works!!

I feel sorry for anyone who believes in this garbage. The video is complete trash, but let's just take ANY of the claims in this thread. Guy who can't be picked up by 4 men? PLEASE, PLEASE give me his address. Me and James Randi will head there tomorrow. We will knock on his door and he will give us some nonsense excuse about how he can't channel the energy with disbelievers present.

Notice that this is a common tactic by any 'faith magician'. They simply can't focus their powers when there are people around them that don't believe. Gee, how convenient.

Wow, havent been on the forum for very long, but this is defiantly one of the more heated debates I've seen.

Look, I think we can all agree that on the one hand, anecdotal evidence and statements such as "I know it's real because I feel it" dont give any weight to the argument that chi(for lack of a better term) exists. But on the other hand, all this blind, condescending skepticism is extremely unscientific. What it really boils down to(pun intended) is that while keeping an open mind when it comes to claimed unknowns is important, you still need to at least have some measure of skepticism when dealing with these supposed "energies". (sorry, kinda repeated myself there)

As to my personal feelings; although the Dynamo Joe video was compelling, I must default to stance many have taken here in this thread: controlled environmental testing. It's a must because it's the basis for our scientific view of reality. I'm too much of a materialist to leave it to "faith" or "just knowing". I'm willing to believe just about anything...anything verifiable.

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I don't know why it is so outrageous to think things like this would be possible. There are more things we don't know about the human body then we do. It is nothing but, ignorance and a fear of change to automatically shoot these things down. There are plenty of these "outrageous" ideas that refused to be accepted at one time. Round Earth,space travel,electricity and flight. And those are only small examples of "outrageous" things that have been accepted as a everyday thing. We are constantly changing our perception of reality and what is and isn't. It is better to take these things as a possibility. Really, all things are possible anyways.

I would really like to learn about meditation. It would be very helpful to pointed in the right direction!

If it was a chemical reaction wouldn't it have smoked, not steam? Im sure it would've been a thicker smoke and that there would've been a chemical smell?
Why would a chemical reaction dry out the cloth? Just a question... Not defending anyone... or saying anything is true... might just be my lack of knowlege on the subject. Anyways did anyone look at the Magnetic Man link I posted on pg5? How do you explain that?

Incredible video post! simply...incedible!

Heh, did a trick just like that with Sodium Hydroxide and Water.

Based on the temp and the use of water and foil I would believe it to be either sodium hydroxide reacting with water or sodium or potassium hydroxide reacting with the aluminum and the water.

He kept squeezing it for a reason...

Whatever happened, the water or the substance started the reaction. Otherwise he wouldn't need the water/substance

www.newton.dep.anl.gov...

see here

"Nevertheless, aluminum will react violently with alkalis such as sodium or
potassium hydroxide. It is the reaction that occurs when crystal Drano is
contacted by water. Drano is aluminum chips and lye. So long as it is dry, no
reaction. When wet, a reaction proceeds that is very exothermic (hot) -- in
addition, hydrogen gas is liberated."

I used to play in the chem lab (pre reqs for school) often so I've done these things before. Ask any chemist, that was a hoax.



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Originally posted by USMC-oorah
I don't know why it is so outrageous to think things like this would be possible. There are more things we don't know about the human body then we do. It is nothing but, ignorance and a fear of change to automatically shoot these things down. There are plenty of these "outrageous" ideas that refused to be accepted at one time. Round Earth,space travel,electricity and flight. And those are only small examples of "outrageous" things that have been accepted as a everyday thing. We are constantly changing our perception of reality and what is and isn't. It is better to take these things as a possibility. Really, all things are possible anyways.

I would really like to learn about meditation. It would be very helpful to pointed in the right direction!

But why are there no burn marks on his hands? If it was possible, then there should be some kind of burn marks. If you heat up something that is supposed to make water boil, then you will still get burned, meditation or not.

Having practiced kung fu and practiced the power of Chi energy as well being an Electrical Engineer.

How many of you have used a microwave oven ? OR a cell phone ?

Did you ever see the actual microwaves entering either of those devices ?
In the case of the oven, Ever notice how the oven itself doesn't become hot as a conventional oven does even though the food does ?

That must be a magic trick as well right ? Just because it doesn't operate like conventional ovens in which we're accustomed to Using a gas flame or electrical coils to heat.

What I'm getting at here is that heating an object translates to exciting the objects molecules whether by using a heat source like fire, as the early cavemen discovered OR by using focused energy such as microwaves OR Chi energy.

The principals are the same. Only with Chi the energy source is the human body instead of a radar gun as is used in a microwave oven.

The same energy thats driving the neuro receptors transmitting color images to your brain allowing you to read this text.

The same energy that allows your muscles to physically move a heavy object.

Our bodies are for all practical purposes wet cell batteries. Just touch your fingertip to an oscilloscope and you'll see your energy measured right there.

The master is merely focusing his energy between his two hands, similar to the metal plate necessary for a microwave oven to operate.
Anode and Cathode....Yin and Yang.

Thats why the object heats and not his hands.

Please deny ignorance....turn off the TV and read a book.

Hard to say just how 'real' this is. I have trouble believing anything whole-heartedly from the TV..though i will say this..if it WERE real this guy would just rule the world....seems kinda strange hes living in some remote place, un heard of, poor as hell..makes no sense to me.

Thinking parlor trick.

And i know the response to this will fall under the ole "but look it was on TV..and documented"....ya so was the alien autopsy..remember that one kids?

Originally posted by jeddun
Hard to say just how 'real' this is. I have trouble believing anything whole-heartedly from the TV..though i will say this..if it WERE real this guy would just rule the world....seems kinda strange hes living in some remote place, un heard of, poor as hell..makes no sense to me.

Thinking parlor trick.

And i know the response to this will fall under the ole "but look it was on TV..and documented"....ya so was the alien autopsy..remember that one kids?

That is missing the point entirely! Imagine how much focus and inner strength it would take to master something like this. If someone were concerned with living in the right neighborhood, or driving the right car, or wearing the right clothes, they could never come close to achieving the type of discipline and focus that is needed to harness their inner power!

I would say your logic is 180 degrees out of whack. If it were a "Parlor Trick" he would be travelling around performing it, making money, getting the girls, and living the high life! He would be Criss Angel, not an old guy in the woods!

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I disagree..that's exactly the point. No need to insult me, i just feel that it's disingenuous. I'm not convinced..furthermore, there was a similar program on that touted a man that was for all intents and purposes "magnetic", and also of asian extraction, well as it turns out the man could 'hang' metal items from his body...though it wasn't due to magnetics, rather vacuum suction of some kind (the details escape me but are very very anti-climactic).....one of his sons also has the talent to do this...the sleight of hand being(my parlor trick remark) a misconception as to 'why' it happens.

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No insult intended, I didn't think it came across that way.

But to reiterate my point with your last example, they misled people on purpose and in public. You originally stated that if this guy's talent was real, he should be exploiting it for money. If his talent is real, he has no need for money, or fame. His passion is perfecting his abilities, and anything else is just a distraction.

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That’s not what I asked. What I asked had no relation to what I believe or am willing to accept. What I said was if YOU (or anyone else) do not require evidence to believe in Chi why then do you not believe in everything?

To put it another way, what is your methodology for determining what you believe?

That is my point, I do believe in everything, or rather I believe in the possibility of everything. The best example I can use is the spaghetti monster, people use this as a replacement for God, to outline the 'stupidity' of believeing in something that is 'ridiculous'. My point has always been, how do you not know there ISN'T a spaghetti monster that rules this universe?

From my limited perspective, who am I to say what is truth or lies? I just accept it as a possibility and hone my perspective. I accept it isn't perfect, but I feel I'm on the right track.

Chi, or a bodily energy, makes sense to me, because I believe in an Electric universe, we are Bio-electric entities, why shouldn't we be able to use this energy if we understood how it worked? I found out yesterday that our bones show piezo-electric effects while under stress (which is whenever they are moved), so not only do our individual atoms (which form molecules, which form our physical body) exhibit electrical properties, not only do our bodies rely on electric signals from the brain, but our bones also show an electrical nature!

To me it makes sense, I need no proof*. As the saying goes:

"Those who believe, no proof is required, those who don't, no proof will suffice."

EMM

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Chi is Real.

I've seen it and I've experienced it. I know this will get ridiculed in this thread. But, I do study chi gong and with a chi master who is also monk from China. no Joke. There are a lot of misconceptions regarding chi. Real practicioners are more than willing to teach it and share it. It is not some closely guarded secret anymore. Most of the people who are able to manipulate their chi have had so many excellent life changing things become of them from the chi gong practice that they generally are happy to pass it on. Here's the catch though. Chi Gong takes effort to even get the fundamentals of. it requires that you learn it from the ground up. most people simply do not have the patience to learn it correctly. So a lot of chi masters are skeptical of a students sincerity to learn it, especially if they are looking for quick fixes or a skill they can achieve in a short time. And, as expected most students just give up before they notice the stuff working.

I've seen chi masters do some pretty paranormal things. I am a scientific rational thinking person and even I had to agree that that was a super human skill. All people can learn the skill though. the ability is in everybody. Some are more talented at getting a grasp of how to use it than others and the excel in the art faster than others. just the way it is.

Chi GOng has saved me from serious physical injury in a car wreck and in fights and in gardening mishaps-like when a tree falls on you and you are simply unhurt. Yeah it's happened to me, and it was because of the chi gong training that I was completely unscathed in these incidents.

I disagree that chi is simply heat and friction. Most of the chi cultivation has nothing to do with friction. Breathing is important though. the first chi gong exercise taught is generally Xi Xui Jing a breathing exercise. This becomes the core of your chi gong skills. From there you will learn Ba Duan Jing which is a series of movements used to learn how to cultivate your chi. THen you move on to Yi jin Jing (I Chin Ching) which looks sorta like tai chi but is more ancient and teaches you how to move the cultivated chi around the body more fluidly. Sitting meditation doesn't really help the chi gong most of it is physical. Although the Xi Xui Jing can be performed sitting. Chi gong isn't some new agey crap that some dude in a clinic is going to teach you. you will be sweating on even the first exercises. The goal from the get go is to utilize the chi which usually means you gotta do something with it like move around.

Chi gong is typically felt like a heat being generated on the hands etc. But there are other sensations too. for instance a mild electrical sensation will travel around your body too. The finger tips might feel like they are gliding gently over the surface of water as if you were bisecting EM fields. You also can feel the energy surge up in the legs on occasion during the exercises. When putting your hands close together but not touching there is a noticible heat increase. you can feel the heat without even touching the skin. the skin invariably flushes and you turn bright red from the vasodialation. Your pupils will dialate regardless of the light conditions.

Stay away from idiots like david carradine who knew absolutely nothing about chi gong (the putz wrote a book on chi gong a while ago) And McDojos preaching tai chi or chi gong (Center for shaolin culture-and master sin kwang the' are another group of frauds) Most real chi gong instructors are acupressurists and acupuncturists or herbalists. they can usually lead you in the right direction.

Read a book called The Body Electric. forgot who it's buy but it's written by a professor from some university. Doesn't really talk about chi gong directly in the book. but it goes into detail about the body's mostly unknown energy circuits. How different electrical currents will force healing others will completely halt it. how the skin is like a piezo electric capacitor. and where the electrical potentials are measured higher do seem to line up nearly exactly with ancient chinese acupuncture charts of chi meridians. How things like needles inserted in some of these places do short out the electric signal which travels over the skin and through the body very similar to an intergrated circuit. This guy documents this stuff in universities we've actually heard of. Makes a compelling argument in favor of chi. Can find it at most borders or barnes and nobles out there.

CHi GOng study requires patience and is very much a zen thing also. For a while you will practice it and there will be no perceived effect. then after a lesson or during one day you will feel the difference or something will change and you will begin to see the results. Chi gong is also a great way to optimize your neurological pathways and get the body moving very fluidly and efficiently. Chi Gong is what makes shaolin kung fu very different from all other kung fu. Study chi gong basics and then watch a shaolin student do kung fu. if you pay attention you will see the chi gong built into the very essence of the movements. It's their secret to above normal power. If you are a skinny 98 pound sheman will chi gong make you invincible. no but it will make that same person about 3 times stronger than he would have normally been. Same goes if a 300 pound professional moving man studies it. he will be able to out power a pro weight lifter. not at the weight pile in the gym, but out in the real world lifting heavy objects or in doing real work.

Also, I've found that physically taxing things are usually suddenly easier when I remember to do them using basic chi gong movements. even ones tongue placement makes a difference. Try working out or doing something physically demanding and keep the tip of your tongue anchored to the roof of the mouth right behind the front teeth. Connects the conception and governing chi meridians circuit and somehow greatly increases ones stamina. sounds stupid but it works try it. also helps to open up the air tract but the real effect seems to come from the chi.

The stuff is real. it's a natural part of us that we have forgotten as time has gone on and mankind has become more docile and less feral. I personally believe that all animals humans included possess chi gong. it's just that the animals haven't forgotten how to use it or control it. which is why they can out perform humans in most if not all things requiring their body.

Having studied chi gong- I can admit that I rarely if ever get sick or injured anymore. I personally believe it is due to the chi gong.

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I'd like to believe this, but this stuff can be faked. Which doesn't mean that it is, so no need to rag on me.

-- (around 3:30) when he puts tin-foil into the paper towel, it could be coated with a compound which reacts with water to produce an exothermic reaction (there are a lot of such compounds -- but I forget my Chemistry. Some chemist person would know)

IFhe is a con-man then I have no idea how he does the paper trick. Something concealed under the cape, perhaps. Any1 remember how David Blaine did his levitation trick? Maybe something like that.

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That being said..i would think some random underground government super agency would want to run tests on such a subject, as this falls into a superhuman category...wouldn't Red China want this guy for something?!.. i would ALSO think he would be hunted down and by various peoples and be harrassed into teaching such a skill..furthermore i would also like to put stake in the Laws of Averages and say that since we all share the same genetic material, there must be 100s if not thousands others with same talent...seems suspect to me. I would like to see this happen again in ANOTHER subject, then we have something we can chew on.