Humming Bird Crop Circle Is Man Made - Proof

I'm not here saying I don't believe in aliens, but I will say, I don't believe in all of these intricate crop designs as coming from an alien race. Why aren't these designs in any other kind of fields? Why not a football, baseball, regular park, etc? It's always a crop field, cause it's the only means that humans have for making huge designs look "proper". All it takes is a piece of wood and some string, with a team of a couple of people, and you can make these over night. The only thing these crop circles do, is discredit the UFO phenomenon even more then what it is. Such an embarrassment if you ask me.

Originally posted by Wh00pS
Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster.

Ok about 5 times in this thread i've seen believers in CC's say "what about the elongated nodes ?"

In horticulture there is a practice known as supercropping, this is mainly practiced by people growing plants indoors and have problems with them getting too tall. The procedure is carried out by taking the stem of the plant between the fingers and snapping it so that it now hangs at 90 degrees or below to the lower part of the stem.After a week or 2 the stem will then repair itself and stand upright by the way of forming a knuckle or node at the break point.This node is naturally elongated to create strong repair tissue at the break point. This stem will also produce larger stronger crop at the time of harvest.

Now think about it, by flattening crops circle makers are doing exactly the same method on a large scale and the elongated nodes are just natures way of dealing with the damage. You can see evidence of this in any wheat field without a circle, just take look in the tractor lines and find any stem damaged by the wheels a few weeks before and it will have signs of elongated nodes.

i dont doubt the farming practice you point out, but from what ive seen & heard about authentic crop circles (the ones apparently not man made)
the node you mention is not the same as you dont point out the small hole also found in the node in crop circles not made by man, & the man made crop circles apparently do not have this tiny hole in the nodes.
so like i say the farming pratice you mention to stretch nodes to increase harvests are quite different from none man made crop circles.
so i guess untill iether :
1:the gutless spineless human crop circle makers grow some balls & come forward & demonstrate there talants in the field with planks of wood.
or
2:the highly secretive aliens or perhaps unknown phenomina is captured & forced to tell us all how its done !.
or
3:the government resposible for using its fandangled satalite to damage crops should come forward & disclose this fandangled technology & pay for the criminal damage !!.

of course they're man made *rolling eyes* nobody wants to believe of a higher power

can anyone on this site intelligently be able to point to a real crop circle and a manmade one probably not unless your an expert

To be honest.. I see this as being in the same vein as plenty of other hoaxes (is that spelt right?) that go on. Some people do it for the attention their claims can attract e.g. claims of supposed celebrity deaths, ufo/ghost footage. And some do it for the money e.g. that toss pot derek acorah of most haunted. And some people see these other guys and want a peice of it, so they copy.

Originally posted by cooler

Originally posted by Wh00pS
Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster.

Ok about 5 times in this thread i've seen believers in CC's say "what about the elongated nodes ?"

In horticulture there is a practice known as supercropping, this is mainly practiced by people growing plants indoors and have problems with them getting too tall. The procedure is carried out by taking the stem of the plant between the fingers and snapping it so that it now hangs at 90 degrees or below to the lower part of the stem.After a week or 2 the stem will then repair itself and stand upright by the way of forming a knuckle or node at the break point.This node is naturally elongated to create strong repair tissue at the break point. This stem will also produce larger stronger crop at the time of harvest.

Now think about it, by flattening crops circle makers are doing exactly the same method on a large scale and the elongated nodes are just natures way of dealing with the damage. You can see evidence of this in any wheat field without a circle, just take look in the tractor lines and find any stem damaged by the wheels a few weeks before and it will have signs of elongated nodes.

i dont doubt the farming practice you point out, but from what ive seen & heard about authentic crop circles (the ones apparently not man made)
the node you mention is not the same as you dont point out the small hole also found in the node in crop circles not made by man, & the man made crop circles apparently do not have this tiny hole in the nodes.
so like i say the farming pratice you mention to stretch nodes to increase harvests are quite different from none man made crop circles.
so i guess untill iether :
1:the gutless spineless human crop circle makers grow some balls & come forward & demonstrate there talants in the field with planks of wood.
or
2:the highly secretive aliens or perhaps unknown phenomina is captured & forced to tell us all how its done !.
or
3:the government resposible for using its fandangled satalite to damage crops should come forward & disclose this fandangled technology & pay for the criminal damage !!.

Tell me about it.

There's a cellular difference to the supercropped stem and what is left after a real crop formation, supercropping damages the cellulose whereas studies of some show the stems fall with no cell damage at the bend and noted that it's impossible for this to occur naturally the cells at the bend are stretched, elongated but otherwise undamaged unlike supercropped stems.




[edit on 9-7-2009 by DeltaPan]

Originally posted by John Matrix
reply to post by ALLis0NE

 

Therefore, I don't buy the explanation. The man made one's are efforts to imitate the real deal, and they don't even do a good job of it.

I made a post in this thread earlier about this, thanks for proving my point.

You can find it on page 2:

"(Star and a flag OP)

These crop circle posts have become fairly pesty to say the least. If you were to google crop circles, and do a bit of research, you would find that they are typically heavily concentrated in certain areas. One would imagine, within a reasonable driving distance from a home location of these hoaxers.

Just as there are wild and spectacular designs, the ones that have imperfect shapes, or angles, are dismissed easily by crop circle "specialists" as insignificant, and as hoaxes. Apparently they do not conform to a high standard.

And as far as decoding and deciphering crop circles, I could stare at a blank wall for an hour and make myself believe that there is something there that was never there."

Another thought as well, and Im sure Ive mentioned this somewhere already.... but why dont they just set some cameras up around the area where the crop circles mostly appear? Maybe those cameras that are triggered by motion?

Actually why am I even putting question marks on the end of those. I know the answer... Im sure those guys try to portray an image of wanting the public to know 'the truth', but that isnt the case really is it. It might take a few months of filming, but these crop circles never seem to dissappear completely so surely it would be inevitable that eventually something would get caught on tape.
So, if they showed us footage of little mr alien parking his ufo up, and getting his portable microwave out.. that would be proof wouldnt it (Assuming they handed over the raw footage for analysis and whatnot)? And then what would happen? The mystery would have been solved... and nobody wants to buy a dvd/book about a mystery that has been solved.

reply to post by Lurch


What do I care whether or not you hold your breath?

I said it was in a documentary, I could find a link and post it here.

www.youtube.com...


From around 8:00 - 13:00 they talk about all the evidence I am referring to.

Three things in particular:

1) The way the nodes fail and the crop is subsequently bent.

2) Evidence of EM energy distributions following known laws of EM.

3) Metal spheroids not found in control samples that have particular distribution patterns.


I really don't care what you believe, so don't think my objective is to convert you to any other way of thinking. I was only asking -- how do guys with wooden planks explain these things?

reply to post by Nventual


Why do you say Crop Circles are made by Aliens?

[edit on 8-7-2009 by Beowolfs]

reply to post by Bluebelle


They have put cameras up. There are videos from various crop circle tour groups that sit out overnight. The only thing ever filmed were called "white or orange colored orbs".

They state that after seeing the orbs of light, 45 - 60 minutes a circle appeared.

I have brought this up before but people flamed me saying that they were obviously paid to say that.

You can read about some of them here:
cropcirclexplorer.com...
www.cropcircleanswers.com...
www.rense.com...
www.cropcirclesecrets.org...

There's also a group called: BLT RESEARCH that does a lot of studies on them.

reply to post by lpowell0627

Simple explanation:

Camera lens + flashlights = Orbs.

Please take the time to read this:

Link:www.rense.com...

However, intriguing data published in peer-reviewed scientific journals clearly establishes that some of these geometric designs, found in dozens of countries, are not made by "pranks with planks." In fact, a study about to be published by a team of scientists and funded by Laurance Rockefeller concludes "it is possible that we are observing the effects of a new or as yet undiscovered energy source."
In the early 1990s, biophysicist William C. Levengood, of the Pinelandia Biophysical Laboratory, in Michigan, examined plants and soils from 250 crop formations, randomly selected from seven countries. Samples and controls were provided by the Massachusetts-based BLT Research Team, directed by Nancy Talbott. Levengood, who has published over 50 papers in scientific journals, documented numerous changes in the plants from the formations. Most dramatic were grossly elongated plant nodes (the "knuckles" along the stem) and "expulsion cavities" -- holes literally blown open at the nodes -- caused by the heating of internal moisture from exposure to intense bursts of radiation. The steam inside the stems escaped by either stretching the nodes or, in less elastic tissue, exploding out like a potato bursting open in a microwave oven.

...A strange brown "glaze" covering plants within a British formation was the subject of Levengood and John A. Burke's 1995 paper in the Journal of Scientific Exploration. The material was a pure iron that had been embedded in the plants while the iron was still molten. Tiny iron spheres were also found in the soil. In 1999, British investigator Ronald Ashby examined the glaze through optical and scanning electron microscopes. He determined that intense heat had been involved -- iron melts at about 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit -- administered in millisecond bursts. "After exhaustive inquiry, there is no mundane explanation for the glaze" he concluded. In another paper for Physiologia Plantarum (1999), Levengood and Talbott suggested that the energy causing crop circles could be an atmospheric plasma vortex -- multiple interacting electrified air masses that emit microwaves as they spiral around the earth's magnetic-field lines. Some formations, however, contain cubes and straight lines.

There are three more interesting things mentioned in the article.

reply to post by TSer78


Yes, I am aware of that explanation. Interestingly enough, many people that have UFO sightings see these same orbs and in those threads they are not to be considered flashlights.

Further, it's called a Zoom lens.

Originally posted by jziegler
can anyone on this site intelligently be able to point to a real crop circle and a manmade one probably not unless your an expert

I can point to the man-made ones which are real, because they are all man-made.

reply to post by lpowell0627


Yea but footage taken by a crop circle tour group is blatantly going to get accusations of it being faked within about 5 seconds of it being put up on youtube or wherever... Plus, it would probably be fairly obvious to whoever was making the crop circles if there was a group of people chilling out in the next field.

What they need to do is buy some half decent cameras, put them up ina tree/bush/telegraph pole of some description... try and cover them up a bit, and dont tell anyone that theres cameras there. And then just sit back and wait!

I have a question for all of you.

There is plenty of evidence showing people making crop circles. The media has interviewed, filmed and shown how a group of people can create elaborate crop circle designs. Why is it that those who believe Crop Circles are Alien in origin, never show us proof that without a shadow of a doubt, those markings could have only been made by an alien race. Proof means finding evidence that has properties which cannot be duplicated by man or characteristics of elements not found on our planet. Only then can we assume it is alien in nature.
For those who say… Crop Circles have been around for hundreds of years or more! I ask you this… Was mankind around during that time? Please remember, just because something seems impossible, it doesn’t mean it is impossible. By the same token, just because humans could have created those crop circles, it doesn’t mean they did. So what am I trying to establish with this seemingly redundant post.
Well , as long as there is no evidence that can conclude without a doubt that this is Alien in nature, then we must accept the possibility of it not being so! This isn’t religion my friends… Don’t go on Faith. And surely, don’t believe anyone who tells you otherwise.
I understand many of you will undoubtedly find my post arrogant. But I assure you that is not my intention. I am simply trying to establish that we as people don’t give enough credit to ourselves and therefore resort to looking at the skies. Humanity is capable of creating unbelievable achievements. Just look at the Roman Colosseum (70 AD) or the pyramids in Egypt (2630 BC). Ask your selves; are we capable of creating these figures seen in our crops?
Just so you know… I strongly believe we are not the only species in this universe.


[edit on 8-7-2009 by Beowolfs]

Also.. an orb.. Possibly the vaguest sort of sighting you can get. I think if there was any sort of convincing sightings of a particular ufo type, then you'd have to be seeing specific details such as shape, estimated size etc.

Crop circles just dont really seem to fit in with anything that you'd generally assume about the whole alien thing.

Some people think that the Governments are in contact with aliens (personally thats what I believe), so where's the need to make crop circles? Any message they had would surely go through those of us that they are in contact with them wouldnt they?

And if they arent in touch with anyone, why not? Surely if they regularly come here in their spaceships the Government would at least try to establish some sort of contact. Aliens are obviously trying to get in contact with us so you'd assume it was a two way street yes?

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by 0nce 0nce

 

Awesome job showing even more proof that all crop circles are man made, then people scam everybody with their websites by making some big ole story up about what they mean. You are a credit to ATS and Denying Ignorance. I am glad that you are here.

[edit on 7-7-2009 by grapesofraft]

That's fantastic!