2012 is a trap to get you to freak out and/or convert to new age spirituality

Originally posted by phi1618
well let us examine exactly the meaning and facts regarding 2012.

You have facts ?

Ok, lets see the "facts".

First : 2012 trend began with the Mayan calendar

second : The entire thing is based on astrology and astronomy

third : around 2012 the "great Year" will come to a climax beginning a new "great year".

fourth : ancient cultures believed the stars told them about our world, and in some cases even allowed our ancient ancestors to look into the past.

Ok, so theese are your "facts".

This is not evidence.

NASA with all their million dollar telescopes and computers arent able to predict the new age in 2012 or whatever, yet some half naked guy in the middle of the jungle is more rliable to you than NASA is.

The poor guy had no TV and had to spend all his free time looking at the stars and marking their course on a wall inside a temple slash improv observatory.

You are impressed by this ? Of course you are, the replyer above you is impressed by crystals that he himself admited he isnt sure if they do anything.

Of course you would be impressed by this. At least they have markings on the wall, and the stone calendar.

i for one haven't seen any New Age Spirituality solution to avoid the doom prophecies made regarding 2012, please point them out.

They arent explicit. Mind control rarely is.

Imagine the situation of some person who watches a 2012 video of doom and belives it. Now he is panicking, afrter all doom is coming.

But lo and behold on the related videos tab what does he see ? Could it be ? "2012 the evolution of mankind into higher consciousness".

Oh yes, there is still hope, salvation is here !

I hope you understand I am being sarcastic.

If you belive my scenario is implausible, read the genius writings of the above guy who likes crystals.

Also the above is my understanding of 2012, the best thing to keep in mind is people fear change. Just like when someone get anxious before giving a big speech, the world ( or some do ) feels anxious about entering a new galactic year.

Now here you go.

You jumped straight from
"ancient cultures believed the stars told them about our world"
to
"the world feels anxious about entering a new galactic year."

But you forgot to mention the evidence for this claim.

Of course theris no evidence, but there are plenty of people ready to accept things based on conjecture, and hearsay.

Add a little pseudoscience and you`ve got them hooked.

The fact that jungle men were able to plot the trajectorys of stars does not make them more credible than NASA.

They were able to do this because they noticed over generations even small movements in the aparent trajectory of the stars on the night sky. There is nothing supernatural or mysteryous about it.

And tehy made up storys and legends about things like all the peoples on this planet.

What you, and all the 2012 proponents do is use pseudoscience, and old mayan fairytales to justify your theorys.

If you are going to belive in fairytales I recommend the greek legends, they are more interesting.

Current cultures belive in Santa Claus, this does not mean that on 25 dec 2012, solar dust is going to come out of Santa`s ass.

There is as much evidence for dust coming out of Santa`s ass as there is about the evolution of consciousness.

Originally posted by stevedel0
New Age comes about by the failure of most popular religions to make sense to the more intelligent group of people.

Excuse me, you theory just fell to pieces:

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
I do keep a pocket full of crystals usually... not sure they do any good

back to you now...

To think that the point of life is about ancient texts is ridiculous.

Yet this is what te whole 2012 is based on.

It's about us, it's about us finding "God" within everything and everyone and ourselves.

Thats exactly what the 2012 people are proposing.

You realize that to think that if you don't let Jesus "save you" by somehow taking responsibility for your sins so that you wont spend eternity in hell is really stupid.

What does 2012 being a scam have to do with Jesus ?

No, no, no. You look for another way to express that need. New Age would be a logical choice for many people.

Actually there has been a perfectly valid way for peole to "escape" religion, and plenty have used it. It is called Atheism.

This is why the 2012 proponents need to scare you first with the 2012 doom before you buy into the other stuff. Otherwhise, people with no problems wouldnt give a flying pig sh*t about evolution of consciousness or the galactic new age.

However I personally think that it doesn't matter what your belief system is concerning the divine. Just don't come talk to me telling me that I'm going to hell or something equally stupid. Or act negatively towards someone because they don't believe what you believe.

You show massive evidence of being brainwashed.

Brainwashing means conditioning. It mens being trained (similar to a dog) to respond automaticlay and without thinking to a stimulus in a preprogrammed way.

I barely even mentioned that 2012 is a scam and you jump out and talk about Jesus, and hell and christianity.

I repeat this again so that hopefully the concept will get through to your brainwashed mind:

The proponents of 2012 (all of them, the doom sayers, the evolution of consciousness, etc), are scam artists.

They all use pseudoscience, or hearsay to back up their claims.

I recomend you look up the meaning of the word pseudoscience, you will learn interesting things.

Evidence means that you dont assume the conclusion is true ,instead you remain skeptical, and you let the evidence prove the conclusion. X proves Y without doubt.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
New Age is a concept not a religion. It morphs all religions into one in concept. All new age is, is realizing the flaws that have kept us trapped in continual repetition of our own problems. The old age is quickly falling away and the new age is sprouting green shoots. Look around you. It's only a trap, by old religious standards. You are right, if you chose to live in that reality.

You are confusing the "self help" industry with "new age".

Tony Robbins and Donald Trump arent "new age", they are "self help".

The guy wit the crystals in his pocket who listens to some conman that claims he has higher knowledge is "new age".

Originally posted by 12.21.12
....and Religion is a trap for people incapable of critical thinking. Religion is for those who are not motivated enough to search for their own answers!!!

Calm down homes. Giving in to irrational impulses is what got you into believing this 2012 nonsense.

If you kept your cool maybe instead of messing around with crystals you now would be rich and having a hot girlfriend.

If thats not your thing, then perhaps a nice job in the polit-bureau of some comunist country.

Be cooooool homes, its better than crystals. You can put that in your signature if you like.

Originally posted by Szerablyn
I think you're taking the NWO to a new level, I've read before that basically the New World Order and the New Age are as a matter of fact, the same thing. Which is quite logic judging by the new age philosophy which tries to take concepts from all religions to create a "new way", and have a positive view about lucifer.

you dont need to take concepts from all religions to create a philosophy. You can create a much better one reliyng on actual philosophys rather than religion.

The only reason you would want to take things from other religions is if you want to convert those people to your stuff.

You take things from their religions, so when the person comes across your stuff they see familiar things that match the stuff they already knew. Thus they are drawn in.

For example movies as the "2012" which will be released soon and many of the books about the "Doomsday 2012" are nothing more than a great way to make money, and at the same time produce an effect of laugh in the masses about what could happen at that time.

"about what could happen at that time"

Well, if I were feeling like debating that issue I would say, it is a way to introduce the masses who dont know about 2012, to this subject.

Now they will all rush in and watch the 2012 brainwashing videos, and they will all become crystal weilding newagers.

However, 2012 is marked in many civilizations not only one, as a turning point.

"..in many civilisations..."

Like what ? Do you have any evidence ?

If we were to go by your logic you would have to belive the biblical flood is true, and thus the bible is true.

Because on every continent (including north and south america) there are ancient storys about an ancient global flood:

The Epic of Gilgamesh Flood and the Bible:
www.youtube.com...

Whats the matter ? Let me guess, you are alergic to evidence, that is why you present none, and ignore the ones being showed to you.


And as far as I know... I dont think the mayans wanted to make profits of this.

Again, your logic is flawed.

Just because they didnt "want to make profits" doesnt mean its true. The same could be said about the greek legends, and about any local folk legend, none of them "wanted to make profits", and that isnt a reason we should buy into them.

And funily enough you should mention money, since, the modern new age teachers ARE making money of this stuff.

The replys in this thread are full of logical fallacys.

strawman logical fallacy (look it up):
Oversimplifying or misrepresenting an opponent's argument, then overcoming this oversimplified version, thus giving the appearance of defeating the main argument.

your right, although it's really just a ploy to make money. I do income taxes during tax season. one client comes in and starts bragging that he does all the 2012 conventions in california, it's a real racket and if you want to make some money to get you by in this economic depression you should look into helping run one of the conventions. I just smiled and made nicy talk for the rest of the session.

So the people who are orchestrating this 2012 stuff even admit it's a scam to make money. Sorry but thats the truth. having done his income taxes I can confirm that is what he does for a living. running these conventions.

Originally posted by Haydn_17
How can you debunk a year that hasnt even happened yet? Im going to debunk sunday. hmmm will we have chicken or not.

strawman logical fallacy

I am not debunking "a year", I am debunking the fake, made up theorys that arent based on evidence but on pseudoiscience and hearsay.

I disagree we dont know for the son doesnt even know when he must awake from his rest........So it may just be an unveiling of information hidden from you by certain govz. Dont worry about it

reply to post by BASSPLYR


You know, if I didn't have a conscience.. I'd so be all over that. I could make up some BS theories then invite people to join for a set fee.. it'd be pretty easy to do.

Originally posted by bsbray11
reply to post by randomguy

 

OP, it sounds to me like you are afraid of change.

strawman fallacy

Read my posts again.

The fact that you call it a change doesnt mean that it is true. Neither does your attack on my character.

If I were afraid it would mean I belived the fake theorys.

If I had belived, I would be walking around with crystals in my pocket in order to prevent the galaxy X from farting, or whatever.

yeah this guy was into it. talking about the story line, but strangely he didn't look at all like he believed any of it. Sounded like an excited con man who had found a new hustle.

Originally posted by randomguy

Originally posted by bsbray11
OP, it sounds to me like you are afraid of change.

strawman fallacy

A straw man is when you substitute someone's real argument for another argument, and attack the fake argument. What I posted was not a straw man.

The fact that you call it a change doesnt mean that it is true. Neither does your attack on my character.

If I were afraid it would mean I belived the fake theorys.

You can certainly be afraid that something might be true without saying you believe it.

I didn't say what is going to happen, I just said change is coming. That is undeniable, change is ALWAYS coming. Nothing is ever the same. Aren't you excited about what's going to happen in the next few years, just based on what is happening right now?

I think you've missed the whole point of 2012 to be honest.

The way you have described it is what you have gotten out of your research but that does not mean to say that others have to look at it in the same way. Nor does it give you the right to tell others how to perceive it.

If all you have got from it is fear then I don't think you're looking at it properly or perhaps you aren't covering it from all angles.

Don't watch discovery channel documentaries about it because they ARE sensationalist and may well scare you however from the research I have done I haven't picked up any scaremongering nor have I felt scared at any point.

reply to post by whaaa


Hi whaaa/
which 'they' are you talking about?
I also have a 'they' in mind...
As for the original post, well done!
Another clever scam to fool all the people about all the other theories based on NEW AGE rubbish and the likes.
It's nothing new, just another clever masking device!
It seems not many people want to know the truth?

Poor POST isn't flagged as much as other rubbish posts!
ICXC NIKA
helen

reply to post by helen670


People want to know the truth alright, they are just tired of playing the charade of having it handed to them by an official of some church. Real truth is experienced first hand, by divine grace, not read out of ANY book or by any ANY minister or cleric. That scam has been going on for at least 2000 years, "holy wars," Inquisition and all, and now it's time for it to finally come to an end, whether it still makes any sense to you or not.

reply to post by bsbray11



Hi bsbray/

I disagree!
How are you suppose to get first hand experince if no one shows you or tells you before hand?
How is one to know if one has never known?
In order to begin to understand God, one has to have a little knowledge before hand.
How can you make a judgment based on ONE observer?
If I was the only one who saw a U.F.O and never before mentioned, how can I compare or discuss this?

ICXC NIKA
helen

Originally posted by helen670
How are you suppose to get first hand experince if no one shows you or tells you before hand?

That's what God is for.

When you walk around blindly you are fed garbage by people who are also blind, none of them are God. They tell you lies and now you don't even KNOW what you are supposed to be looking for, you probably still look to a book and to preachers. For how long do you do this? Until you finally die?

Thousands of years too many of you going blindly like this. Like I said, not too much longer to go. Just don't fear it or take offense to it, that's all. At least there is not really any such thing as hell, good thing for you, trust me.

[edit on 22-7-2009 by bsbray11]

With all the stories of doom and TEOTWAWKI associated with 2012, i'd imagine it would convert more people to survivalism?

CX.

reply to post by CX


Hey, if it were a religion, it'd be the one I'd pick.

I'm a survivalist.

But not looking forward to ever having to use that knowledge...