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Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
reply to post by badmedia
Wait did you just read what I said about animals being self aware? Lets talk about that. Please what are your thoughts on animals being self aware?
Here is some more good stuff.
FOR example.
The human brain has a huge number of synapses. Each of the 10 to the 11th power (one hundred billion) neurons has on average 7,000 synaptic connections to other neurons. It has been estimated that the brain of a three-year-old child has about 10 to the 15th power synapses (1 quadrillion). This number declines with age, stabilizing by adulthood. Estimates vary for an adult, ranging from 10 to the 14th power to 5 x 10 to the 14th power synapses (100 to 500 trillion).
en.wikipedia.org...
So we are talking about 500 trillion to a quadrillion different possible places for small bits of information to be transferred stored analyzed.
WAT?
And you want me to explain to you exactly where and what part of that massive amount of computing hardware is the part that controls self awareness? Bro I am barely smart enough to type in a Google search.
Here are some more good facts about the brain compared to information computation.
The number of neurons in the brain varies dramatically from species to species. One estimate puts the human brain at about 100 billion neurons and 100 trillion synapses. Another estimate is 86 billion neurons of which 16.3 are in the cerebral cortex and 69 in the cerebellum.
By contrast, the nematode worm Caenorhabditis elegans has just 302 neurons making it an ideal experimental subject as scientists have been able to map all of the organism's neurons.
By contrast, the fruit fly Drosophila melanogaster has around 100,000 neurons and exhibits many complex behaviors.
The more neurons a living creature has the more processing power it has.
Combine processing power with hardware like hands and feet and eyes and tongues and vocal systems that allow complex sounds
WALLAGH! Consciousness!
John 3
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
So what is Consciousness?
If you give consciousness a definition would it not be reasonable to say your definition will be a set of laws or rules that the human mind follows that could be applied to computer programming?
Darwin begins his evolution of species at the lowest point and traces upward. His only mistake may be that he applies his system at the wrong end. Could he remove his quest from the visible universe into the invisible, he might find himself on the right path.
"Memory" - the despair of the materialist, the enigma of the psychologist, the sphinx of science.
Originally posted by bwinwright
The breakthrough research of Tim Harwood, David Wilcock, and others has now established, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Darwin was wrong.
Darwin said, "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
Using the example of a Dolphin's Sonar, Tim Harwood demonstrates, undeniably, that
this complex organ could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications. DARWIN WAS WRONG.
Darwin also said, "The number of intermediate varieties which have formerly existed on earth MUST be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? This is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory."
Harwood establishes the fact that these intermediate varieties, that form the very basis of Darwin's Theory of Evolution, are virtually non-existent. The fossil record is a highly accurate and detailed account of the development of life on Earth. It proves, without a doubt, that DARWIN WAS WRONG.
So, if Darwin was clearly wrong, making Dawkins clearly wrong, why hasn't this bogus theory been exposed to the world? Because it has never been about science. It has always been about religion. Darwinism is a twisted form of religion used to justify racism, genocide, imperialism, the Holocaust, and other forms of racial injustice.
Simply look at the original title of Charles Darwin's most famous work, "On the Origin of Species by means of Natural Selection, OR the Preservation of FAVOURED Races in the Struggle for Life." The title was later changed to Origin of Species for obvious reasons.
Darwin's Theory was applied to humans and called Social Darwinism, classifying some races to be inferior to others, making some races superior to others. This philosophy had a very strong influence over Adolf Hitler, a Vatican Puppet.
This Social Darwinism has been used to justify a lot of ugliness in our world. Darwin's Theory of Evolution stated that the formation of highly complex systems and processes DID NOT require the assistance of any form of intelligence, thereby making the existence of any form of God or Profound creative intelligence unnecessary.
Darwin and now Dawkins make the denial of any form of God or profoundly capable creative intelligence OK, Scientific, and fashionable for the most intelligent and well educated people. Darwinism has become the scientific evidence most atheists use to justify their atheism.
Darwinism has been proved to be FALSE, scientifically, so it is now just another destructive religion promoting false and destructive dogma, exactly like so many of the organized religions before them.
The truth is ORDER, like a Dolphin's Sonar, requires intelligent direction. Atheists falsely believe such order DOES NOT require intelligent direction.
Personally, I believe men like Dawkins are way too intelligent to actually believe in either Darwin or Atheism. I believe he is an integral part of the Tavistock Institute's agenda to create greater division within the mass consciousness, making it easier for
the ruling elite to enslave and control the useless eaters.
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Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
So what is Consciousness?
If you give consciousness a definition would it not be reasonable to say your definition will be a set of laws or rules that the human mind follows that could be applied to computer programming?
Originally posted by MatrixProphet
reply to post by badmedia
A better question we can ask; what gave consciousness its start? Just like Einstein wanted to find the theory of everything and wanted to know the mind of God, so Hawking is attempting or wishing to do (perhaps without the God part).
The ultimate universal question would be; what was the start of everything?
We can add memory to the consciousness question, along with imagination. An interesting quote from Madame Blavatsky:
"Memory" - the despair of the materialist, the enigma of the psychologist, the sphinx of science.
When you start thinking about the tensions between science and the religion, where this tensions comes from I think is at times when religion or science forgets a little bit what it's good at and loses a little bit of it's humility and becomes a bit arrogant. Not every question has an answer that can be answered experimentally with a measurement or a test. And those really aren't questions for science to explore. Those are for other areas of human knowledge and human enquiry. - Michael Dennin, Ph. D, Prof. of Physics UC Irvine
It didn't start. It's eternal, always has been and always will be. Any "time" before it is nonexistent as there was no consciousness there to perceive it. As there was nothing to observe, then nothing existed.
These are very deep questions that is beyond logic, so it's really something people have to find out for themselves. But when they do that, then they will realize/understand why death is not real.
If consciousness did not exist, then what would there be to perceive it?
Originally posted by MatrixProphet
reply to post by badmedia
Exactly. As Einstein said once to the effect; "If I turn away from the moon will it still be there if I cannot see it?"
Using our puny minds to attempt to reason on this is really ludicrous.
If one considers that you cannot destroy matter, it just reshapes itself. Energy is in everything.
And think on "light" and how if it operated any other way, we would not have the sight that we have! It would be completely distorted, so we would not even be able to perceive what we can now. When we look into the cosmos, we see very little randomness. Prof. Machio Kaku describes it as a beautiful symphony taking place within our universe.