I wanna be in this family!! (Video)

I wont spoil the video, but here are some real red blooded Americans having a great time at the range, furthermore these people are just having a blast and it's cool to see some of their reactions, so watch the video and enjoy, the PTB are quickly trying to take this sort of right away.
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reply to post by alyosha1981


I rebuttal your arguement with what happened today.



Two men, apparently for no reason, shot seven children.

One has turned himself in as far as I know.

I'm not sure when people cross the line on gun rights, but this is over the line, your video is under the line.

Just trying to balance everything out!

I'm for gun rights, but I have no idea on what the regulation should be.

reply to post by alyosha1981


Man! That was awesome. I think they have every fully automatic on the NFA list at that event.



I liked the woman that got all excited over firing the guns and the cannon.

Good find.

Originally posted by Republican08
I rebuttal your arguement with what happened today.

Umm....your rebuttal holds no water and makes no sense for numerous reasons:

A) If guns were not available, they would have used something else like knives. Do you want to ban knives also?

B) If you make guns illegal, only the law abiding citizen will not have access to guns for protection. The law breakers like the two in your story would have had the guns anyway because they don't care about the law. Not only would they have broken the no gun law but of course its against the law to murder also.

Point is that you only hurt the innocent law abiding citizen when you try to ban and highly regulate gun ownership.

[edit on 7/3/2009 by WhatTheory]

reply to post by WhatTheory


First off!!! Love the avatar!!!

Second though, I for god knows, don't want guns illegal, but a certain regulation should be put forth, one that will satisfy and minimize this to the smallest.

The thing is though, they in a split second wounded 7 children, knives now, that would of taken more time, and well if you can stab seven children, your a psycho, it's alot easier to shoot then stab.

reply to post by Republican08


That was in Detroit. In Detroit guns are pretty much illegal which ever way they come. The kids that had the weapons weren't even old enough to own handguns.

Gun laws do nothing to stop gun related crimes. In fact in cities with more restrictive gun laws the crime rates are higher.

Not to get too far off topic, just wanted you to understand that is all. That is why the gun grabbers aren't going nuts over this incident, because all the laws they want to implement are just about in place in Detroit. It doesn't look good for their cause.

Why in the video, all I see is what looks like two girls with long hair running past the view with guns up. It didn't even look like they were shooting at that group of kids, it looks like they were shooting at someone off screen and the kids scattered after hearing the shots.

Originally posted by Republican08
Second though, I for god knows, don't want guns illegal

Ok, well that is good to hear.

but a certain regulation should be put forth, one that will satisfy and minimize this to the smallest.

What law or regulation would have prevented this killing? Answer: Nothing!!
It's already illegal to kill.
It's illegal to buy a gun if you are or have been a convicted criminal.
It's illegal to buy a gun without a background check.
It's illegal to buy a gun if you have mental problems.
There are numerous other and it seems like never ending laws and regulations regarding gun ownership.

So again, please let me know what law or regulation would have prevented this killing?

Even if guns are banned, the bad guys will still have guns except now the innocent civilians will be easy targets.

reply to post by WhatTheory


I've stated blatently that I have no idea what regulation.

I do know that if we ban guns, abiding citizen won't have them, and children killers will.

If everyone has a gun, well then capones are made available everywhere.

It's tough man, but hey then again, i'm sure they thought about banning swords back in the day! Way back that is.

You think if they lessened dramatically the gun restrictions there would be less crime?

reply to post by WhatTheory


actually if guns were illegal it may never have happened, knives are not the same as guns, they are far more personal than a gun, people feel big with guns, whilst the video looked like the family were having a lot of fun and hypocriticaly i would of liked to have had a go, it does go to show how a weapon of death is treated as a recreational toy in your country, it is not respected for its lethality and even little children are given machine guns to play with, america has a problem, but, the first step to a cure is recognising the problem, wise up

Originally posted by THELONIO
actually if guns were illegal it may never have happened........wise up

Oh good grief!
Do you actually believe that a criminal who is hell bent on destruction will obey the gun ban law when they have no plan to obey the laws regarding murder. Please stop being so naive and WISE UP.

If guns are banned, only the criminals will have guns and the innocent civilians will be helpless. What part of that do you NOT understand?
If guns are banned, the crime rate will increase a lot because the criminals will know that people are unarmed.

Please take your faulty logic elsewhere.

Isn't heroin, coc aine, PCP, and a plethora of other drugs not only illegal, but banned?

So . . . why are these things still on the streets?

I hope you're not going to tell me that people break the law!

So, basically, we need to ban the PEOPLE who break the law. Nice trick.

Originally posted by Republican08


It's tough man, but hey then again, i'm sure they thought about banning swords back in the day! Way back that is.

They did! In certain periods in Japan it was prohibited for anyone except a Samurai to carry a daisho. Ruling emperors would also go on sword hunts to remove the populace's ability to revolt and thus secure their reign. Seems almost eerily relevant.

In any sense, while I support gun regulation to an extent, such policies will never work in this country because the majority of gun crimes are committed with illegal weapons anyway. There is no logical reason for a citizen to own a fully automatic weapon, with the exception of novelty. However, people will still always find ways to obtain such weapons illegally.

It's a sad state of affairs for America, when things like this happen. Guns are so ingrained in our culture, and there are many, many people who own and use them responsibly. It's just such a shame that psychopaths can take lives so heartlessly and so easily.

Believe me, I wish there was a way to effectively regulate guns, and that we could keep them only in the hands of law-abiding citizens. However, that is a pipe dream, and until then we are at the mercy of criminals, and any of us could be shot at any time for no apparent reason. The only real solution is to move to another country where illegal gun trading is not as prevalent or as widespread as it is here in America.

reply to post by WhatTheory


i would never expect you to undestand you are american, how many people have to die by a bullet before people like you get it, dont you ever wonder what it is like walking down the road without having to worry about wether the man coming towards you is carrying a gun?, come to england or the rest of europe and have a feel, sure we have some bad people running around with illegal guns, its not perfect, but its a damn sight better than the amount of gun deaths your country has, on average 81 people per day, its a high price to pay for you to own a gun

Republican08
I rebuttal your arguement with what happened today.

I see. So then, using your logic...since rape exists we should outlaw sex? After all, some people are mis-using it. So clearly everyone should be kept away from it for their own good.

THELONIO
dont you ever wonder what it is like walking down the road without having
to worry about wether the man coming towards you is carrying a gun?

No. It has never occured to me to wonder what it's like to not worry about it because I already don't worry about it.

Republican08
You think if they lessened dramatically the gun
restrictions there would be less crime?

Yes.

reply to post by LordBucket


i have never even met anybody with a gun, never seen anyone with a gun, trust me you dont understand how it feels, you might say you do but you dont. you have grown up in a society with many weapons so you probably dont think they are anything but normal.

i think that peoples liberty is better when there are no guns, not when everybody has them. america suffers from approximatly 30,000 gun deaths per year, that includes suicides, but do you honestly think there would be a reduction in that figure with what you are proposing?, i do not think that there would be.

it is people like you that have fuelled the bad name of america in the world and facilitated the demise in the respect of life that has become apparent within your communities, people in the rest of the world look at america as a gun toting gungho society without much respect for anyone else's life, hence the actions of america around the world, a complete disregard for the welfare or value of any bodies life if it is not american.

your country perpetuate the arms race with your greed for bigger and bigger weapons to cause more and more deaths globally and it is all because of peoples with attitudes like yours

Originally posted by THELONIO
dont you ever wonder what it is like walking down the road without having to worry about wether the man coming towards you is carrying a gun?

Huh? Why would I worry about that? Stop being silly.
You don't understand that the majority of people who own guns are law abiding and are NOT a threat.

come to england

No thanks.

sure we have some bad people running around with illegal guns

So you have the same problem as America. You will always have people with guns even when guns are banned. Unfortunately, the only people who will have guns are bad people.

but its a damn sight better than the amount of gun deaths your country has, on average 81 people per day, its a high price to pay for you to own a gun
I am not sure about that stat but you are missing the point.
The reason for the gun deaths is not because of the guns. That is like saying the automobile is at fault when people die in car accidents. It the people. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I don't know what the population is where you are from but the reason there might be more deaths here is because of a larger population or perhaps there are more bad people.

reply to post by WhatTheory


every time a thread is about guns in america there is always someone with the car argument, it is so not relevant and the lamest of arguments, car deaths are accidents, a car is built to carry people not kill them, but a gun on the other hand is made to kill!!!, you cannot compare the two

anywhere between 25,000 and 30,000 people are killed each year in the usa from guns, look at the initiatives they have taken in countries like brazil, and have reduced gun crime significantly by banning them

there are some 280,000,000 guns in public hands in america, how many more do you want?



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read for yourself, learn


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dont you think that you should all reseach these things rather than rely upon your own flawed instincts?

and if anyone can show proof of everyone owning guns to be a safer society feel free to enlighten me,


in your own time

Originally posted by THELONIO
and if anyone can show proof of everyone owning guns to be a safer society feel free to enlighten me,


in your own time

No problem. Of course a society where people are armed, you have a safer society. It's a given which is why I don't understand your faulty logic.

American vs. European Crime Rates