Crop Circles - Evidence Of Being Man Made

reply to post by thesneakiod

When I remember crop circles for the first time, the patterns were very basic and gave to the idea (from the media mostly) that the spacecraft made the crop circles by actually landing on the ground thus causing the depression and shape. That was probably 20 or so years ago, and as time goes by the CC have got considerably more elaborate and complex.

I was thinking the same thing -- the complexity of the patterns seems to parallel the advances in computer technology. From simple circle patterns to ASCII text in binary along with a nicely shaded picture of a gray in a couple of decades? I'm talking about the one from 15 Aug 2002, Hampshire UK, CCDB ref id: uk2002dl -- "[....] conduit closing (BELL SOUND)" -- Bell sound? You mean ctrl-G?

Consider also that computers have gotten much better at controlling industrial robots, autonomous vehicles, etc.

I think this is a human phenomenon but I find it hard to believe that it's just a bunch of people with wood planks, stepping on plants -- just consider the type of damage on the crops, the sudden appearances, etc. I suspect this is some exotic technology at work, used by humans, controlled by human made computers. I'm not ruling out pranks but it could also be some people on the "inside", sending messages to the rest of us. Or maybe it's just misdirection, to distract us from other things. But I think human beings are behind this phenomenon. IMHO of course!

reply to post by thesneakiod


I'm not arguing for aliens.
I'm simply saying that the line "oh, anyone can do this with a gps" is bunk.

Standard handheld GPS systems you can pick up at WalMart only give you an accuracy to about 20meters +/- ...
That accuracy isn't good enough for these circles.
You need professional grade GPS technology that is reserved for military or professional surveyors.

The engineering aspect would be taking a concept, putting it on a computer into a program like auto-cad, going out and doing a preliminary survey of the field, plugging that into the drawing for a base of reference... plotting points on the drawing which would then in turn need to be plotted on the ground and to top that off each would need directions... for instance, you drive a stake in the ground that says "north radius 5' bend wheat counter-clockwise"

And you would need a whole lot of that stuff for some of the more complex ones. I've seen circles that simply couldn't be done unless you put HUNDREDS of reference points into the ground.

Sure, money can solve problems. But with an initial startup figure of 15000 dollars for the equipment how can a person expect to make any money doing this? Especially when they aren't selling anything. Nay, they aren't even showing their faces, aside from a few clowns saying they are responsible for all of them... world-wide.

reply to post by cropmuncher



Now if anyone can answer this, it would be quite interesting. Since we

actually have no FACTUAL evidence of Alien Life, who else other then

humans could have made this? I'm sorry but the Op's logic is absolutely

correct, Human's are the absolute 100% answer at this point because as

far as we know there are no other forms of advanced intelligent life on

Earth... Except for us. So in all actuality you have been calling the OP

arrogant when he is at the moment 100% correct because we have no

concrete evidence of Alien Life, at least nothing that is accepted as

Scientific FACT. So please I'd like to see what Educational Science book

stats Alien's as fact, because I know man-made crop circles are in the

Guinness Book of World Records not a Science Book. I'm not trying to say

there isn't a possibility of Alien's because of course there is but according

to what we have as Concrete Science Fact, Humans are the only intelligent

life on Earth capable of producing such an image. If there are any biased

answers to this I'd love to hear um.

Heads up new one on Silbury Hill,350 foot dia.Looks like a real one,meaning too much for mere humans,etc.

reply to post by NoJoker13


Where in any of my posts did i say aliens did make them?

I was carefull not to say that but instead said not man made from the ground.
I have also said that i believe many are man made but not all.

The reason for me reffering to the OP as arrogant is plain for all to see as others have also noticed. I wasnt rude about it, i stated it as an abservation thats all.
Im sorry if you cannot see that for yourself.

[edit on 5/7/09 by cropmuncher]

Originally posted by NoJoker13
Humans are the only intelligent

life on Earth capable of producing such an image. If there are any biased

answers to this I'd love to hear um.

Now thats a big statement.

In all honesty we know very little about this planet. You are probably correct in that humans are making these circles but why not using a space based weopons platform and conducting a test?
Or why not military people doing the hoaxes to cover up some other phenomenon that causes the real ones - notice i didnt say alien

You are chosing to ignore the evidence that researchers have been doing and assuming that hoaxers are responsible for them all.

Im too tired to post links & pics now but go through a few of my posts & you will see it, or not if you have fallen for the op's disinfo game.

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by thesneakiod

 

and you would need a whole lot of that stuff for some of the more complex ones. I've seen circles that simply couldn't be done unless you put HUNDREDS of reference points into the ground.

Sure, money can solve problems. But with an initial startup figure of 15000 dollars for the equipment how can a person expect to make any money doing this? Especially when they aren't selling anything. Nay, they aren't even showing their faces, aside from a few clowns saying they are responsible for all of them... world-wide.

Even after what you just said, it still doesn't mean humans couldn't of done have them all.

There are lots of millionaires in this world, you think that not one is capable of organizing and buying all the necessary equipment?

So you know that it costs 15000 dollars (about 8-9 thousand pounds since most are done in England?) And your saying the tech is impossible for a human to get hold of?

I don't think you give people enough credit at all. Not everyone craves attention. And since you certainly don't know the tricks of the trade (CCing) you don't know how easy it could be to make these things.

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Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by thesneakiod

 

I'm not arguing for aliens.

Then who exactly are you arguing for?

Going by that statement you think it's done by both aliens and humans?

Seems we have the skill and craftsmanship of advanced life as well then because they are relatively all the same.

reply to post by RiotComing

The interested public has been misguided by faulty reasoning on the part of the modern crop circle research. One of the flaws dates back to the 1980's where the research accepted the accounts of a few people who claimed having had seen the crop circle formed. The witnesses described the process as a quite speedy event. Why would the researchers believe that the people were telling the truth?

Well, there was an Oxford-educated meteorologist -- the first person in the fields to investigate the phenomenon -- who developed a theory that attributed the source of those simple circular indentations to a "plasma vortex" -- a natural meteorological phenomenon. He was working on developing a model of how things could go down. When the witnesses described the way single circles formed, their description matched the result of his latest study that he hadn't published yet. So he had a reason to accept the accounts. Later on, his theory couldn't possibly account for the creation of those large and quite complex designs, but the accounts of the way the circles were created survived in the new environment.

Why?

The change in the design of the crop circles attracted many spiritualists and other individuals who decided to take advantage of the "miracle" to forward their esoteric personal beliefs. These people aka crop circle researchers lacked any analytical skills and were lean on common sense as well. The results? One of them was that they simply denied those "non-human circle makers" the option to create the circles the way they see it fit. In other words, if these ETs or something possessing a mind see a reason in developing a formation in three stages to support the meaning of the design, the self-appointed cereal priests automatically suspect a human involvement citing the verse from the "Cereal Bible" that says, "Those shall be born fast."

The Milk Hill crop formation is a classic example of how faulty reasoning can be passed around.

BTW, the very likely reason why the formation was created in three phases is visible from the photos.

I just thought it was a very good "clue" that it was done in 3 phases, and there is an aerial photo taken on each phase creation.

Why wasn't the first phase reported when it first came out? Why did they wait till the 3rd phase was done before reporting all the phases on their website?

The 2nd phase image was taken 2 days after the 1st phase.

The 3rd phase image was taken 7 days after the 2nd phase.

The 3rd stage was the most complex, and covered the most area, and so to me it was obvious that it took them longer to create the 3rd stage then it took to create the 2nd. That explains why the 3rd stage didn't appear till 7 days later, but the 2nd stage appeared only 2 days after. Because the 3rd stage took longer to create than the 2nd stage, because of complexity.



-- I don't care anymore. I KNOW the crop circle in my O.P. is man made. I don't need 100% proof for this, only small clues are enough for me. I wish I could explain, and show how I know, but for some it's impossible to understand I guess.

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce

-- I don't care anymore.

Does that mean we wont be hearing from you for a while then,,,

reply to post by Jacqua


Like a true newbie, you ignore discussing my point, and only focus on insulting me with sarcasm, then add nothing to the discussion.

--Back one topic--

It's funny on my 2nd or 3rd post I talk about CropCircleConnector spamming their links all over the place, and then next few days more and more crop circles originating from CropCircleConnector show up on ATS. One of them even had the same shape I pointed out.

That's suspicious to me.

[edit on 6-7-2009 by 0nce 0nce]

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
reply to post by Jacqua

 

Like a true newbie, you ignore discussing my point, and only focus on insulting me with sarcasm, then add nothing to the discussion.

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
Why wasn't the first phase reported when it first came out? Why did they wait till the 3rd phase was done before reporting all the phases on their website?

The 2nd phase image was taken 2 days after the 1st phase.

The 3rd phase image was taken 7 days after the 2nd phase.

The 3rd stage was the most complex, and covered the most area, and so to me it was obvious that it took them longer to create the 3rd stage then it took to create the 2nd. That explains why the 3rd stage didn't appear till 7 days later, but the 2nd stage appeared only 2 days after. Because the 3rd stage took longer to create than the 2nd stage, because of complexity.



-- I don't care anymore. I KNOW the crop circle in my O.P. is man made. I don't need 100% proof for this, only small clues are enough for me. I wish I could explain, and show how I know, but for some it's impossible to understand I guess.

Of course you can believe whatever you chose to believe, as much as the other group can believe that some unknown non-human intelligence makes these circles. That's why various religions are still with us.

But you made an observation that the so called "crop circle researchers" never took into account. Suppose that you are right saying that the second phase was photographed after 2 days and the third phase was photographed after 7 days. That means the last two phases that create one formation look like this: 27.

Now, can you solve this equation: 27 = x + y ?

If you solve it and justify your solution, then maybe you make the ETs happy to see that "Homo sapiens" or "Man the Wise" really means what it suggests. Give it a shot, think it over. Maybe you can reinstall their professional pride. Turning monkeys into speaking monkeys can prove a disaster. Oh well . . .

In case this formation is man-made . . . Don't tell me that you wouldn't be able to solve an equation set up by some hoaxers that can't possibly fool you, right?


[edit on 7/6/2009 by stander]

So this evidence is evidently found in two places.First the braggings of the Croppy Planksters.Complete with audio visual aids.No actual vid of actual well made crop circ in progress,of course.And,secondly,in the head of the poster.Can you post a screen shot into your ear so we can see it please?

reply to post by stander


Why the heck would ANYONE try to figure out "what it means"? That is a dead end no matter which was you look at it. Like a dog chasing his tail.

Any "answers" you get can not be proven to be correct, EVER, unless you talk to the creators.

However, it is completely logical to look for man-made clues, because it is possible to prove it is man-made if you find the right clues, and it's not a dead end.

reply to post by trueforger


Evidence = clues. There are several clues that point in certain directions. They are also called leeds.

I guess nobody here is a detective or investigator, or they would see the evidence all over the place.

I'm pretty darn sure they are not phenomenon but fake as well, but certain, can qualify?

No.

I say this with common respect bruv.

But clues do not mean evidence which is factual.

Looking at some clues and treating as evidence in law leads to miscarraiges of justice, for instance.

My 2 Eurocents worth on clues=evidence, sorry.

I guess my post in this topic never showed up so I'll post it again.

Anyways, like I had meant to post here, I don't doubt some Crop Circles aren't in fact hoaxes perpetuated by human pranksters. But how can one explain the fact that in most of the legitimate Crop Circles there is evidence of chemical changes in the soil and genetic alterations in the vegetation within the formations themselves? The vegetation is also bent, not crushed and broken. How can a team of people using boards accomplish that?



[edit on 6-7-2009 by Reptilian_Queen]

reply to post by 0nce 0nce

Your are not observant enough to form any meaningful argument that would help to resolve the issue. You failed to take a shot at 27 = x + y. That means you can't separate ordinary from special and therefore can't separate man-made and not man-made. But you are surely entitled to voice your opinion -- if anyone is willing to listen.