Crop Circles - Evidence Of Being Man Made

Originally posted by Udontknowme
How long did it take to make that one?

Just wondering..

I posted it long before you even showed up, but you epically failed to read it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Udontknowme
One person, back in 2000? How many crop circles are out there?

You asked for evidence of someone getting caught, I provided it. Now you are moving the goal post, to fit your agenda and beliefs.

Like I said already in this topic. If the farmers agree to having crop circles made in their crops, they wont get "caught".

They make the circles in secrecy so that they don't get caught.

I can even reverse your argument...

Show me "aliens" getting "caught in the act", and I will believe you. Out of how many crop circles and NONE were caught?

Originally posted by Udontknowme
By the way, I tried the link to the original article, and you get this.

If that's all you got, I'm sorry, but I'm further convinced of the extra-conscience level of the message embedded in these crop circles.

So, because the website who originally posted the article 9 years ago has already purged their files, you were forced to further believe aliens made the crop circles...? LOL

I wonder why I even talk to you people.

[edit on 4-7-2009 by 0nce 0nce]

reply to post by ArMaP


I understand the point made by the op. However, the sophistication coupled with the fact no one ever gets caught, raises doubt that these are simply hoaxters.

I noticed, that the stages seem to be layed out in a design sequence, possible to show stages of construction. Remember the movie Contact? I believe it deserves further research, rather than ridicule.

The preceding point was generated through an alternative frequency.



[edit on 4-7-2009 by Udontknowme]

reply to post by 0nce 0nce


Did you ever consider that it being made in 3 stages is also a message too? prob not...

It may represent 3 stages of the coming solar storm or whatever is about to happen .

Since we humans always tend to look at things closemindedly ( if thats a word ) we usually miss the real meaning behind things.....

The fact that it was made in 3 stages could actually be the most important part about it and yet we focus only on the visuals...


Shows how unintelligent we really are...

Not saying that it isn't man made , and not trying to make an example out of you but I just think there are more to these than we are trying to make out.....


It's like the posts about people typing in code or the Patterson to Thomas Jefferson coded message....

It would be like us reading that message and trying to made sense of it without knowing the code ....

The real meaning of the letter has nothing to do with the " obvious " content and everything to do with the arangement of the information...

reply to post by 0nce 0nce


Also.....did anyone notice that horse on the hill in the background ?

Whats up with that?

Originally posted by cripmeister
Nice find!

I think it's safe to say that all crop circles are man made unless proved otherwise.

Please explain how it is safe to say that?

thanks

Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by RiotComing

 

The problem is that, by that way of thinking, we need photos of Aliens making the crop circles to prove that they are made by Aliens, and I have never seen any photo like that.

So, we don't have photos of people making crop circles, and we don't have photos of Aliens making crop circles. But we know that people live near those crop circles and we do not have any proof that Aliens live near that crop circle, so I guess that the best bet, if I was a betting man, would be on "man-made", after all, we know that men exists, we don't really know if Aliens exist.

Oh, and I have yet to see a crop circle too complex to be made by humans.

Does man not also live by waterfalls ? So did man make them ?

They are natural you say?

Prove it !



Prove that and maybe I'll listen to more of your theory.......Although I can't totally disagree with the thought process...

At least you approached it logically.


I like this thread though

reply to post by LucidDreamer85

The horse is what makes this spot such a questionable place for a crew to be skulking about at night as it is a world famous historical site.That is chalk you see,where the overburden has been scraped away to show the horse.Ancient.And vitally important to the tourist industry.I'd be very surprised if the country where security cameras set the standard(in London) for Big-Brother-is-watching-you there aren't some security measures in place to monitor traffic and such so that they aren't vandalized.Not to overlook the pride and protective nature of the locals,I'm sure.

reply to post by LucidDreamer85


It's one of the several Wiltshire White Horses.

Interesting, isn't it?

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
reply to post by RiotComing

 

I found that the crop circle in my original post has similarities to other crop circles made in the same location. Crop circles that are being pushed around the web as if they are not man-made;

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/12c8b5679f21.png[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/180176840d41.png[/atsimg]

As you can see, they are all linked together, and they are all found in the same location. This is evidence that it is the same group of people who are going around and probably making a living off of doing this.

On ATS I have noticed a few individuals who are link spamming "cropcircleconnector" dot com, and "ccvault" dot com. Those web sites are only using ATS, and other places, to help with their crop circle DVD sales. I am highly suspicious about that activity. I can probably even predict a few user names who will come here and defend these websites.

DVD sales could be a motive for creating these man-made crop circles. Also, website revenue from advertisements could be another. I even read that some of these farms are getting very high traffic to them every time there is a crop circle, I don't know if they charge people to see the crop circle, but that could also be another motive for farmers to create crop circles.


I would be HIGHLY suspicious of ANY crop circle, because there are many websites, businesses, and people, who are making money off of those who are genuinely curious about crop circles. They are probably taking advantage of your beliefs, and possibly could be hurting the reputation of "UFOlogy".

[edit on 2-7-2009 by 0nce 0nce]

Yay you proved they are related and that they are the same creators.........

You...however....... did not prove that those creators were Man............

Keep going though......

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
reply to post by realist00

 

First off, all of these "crop circles" that I posted are all found in the same LOCATION. Meaning whoever is making these lives in the UK, and lives near the crop circles. Second, all of the crop circles found in that area all have the same "signature", the same basic design, which also points to it being the same group who is making it.

Why isn't this design found in crops in other places? Why not have a similar design in USA? Why all the same designs, in the same location, and not other locations?

Well, because HUMANS are known to leave "signatures" in their art work. For example, there are professional detectives who study handwriting of people. They can look at peoples handwriting, and even art work, and they can tell who did it. They can compare to other writing and art work, and there will always be evidence of that person. It's in their "signature" that they subconsciously show in their work.

In this newest crop circle (the only reason I'm showing this c.c. is because it's linked the the original c.c. in my first post) you can see "circles";

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/43c1b3598e29.png[/atsimg]

The fact that the base of the design is around "circles" is SUPPORTING EVIDENCE that it is human made, because "circles" are the most easy shape for humans to create in crops. If this was some "advanced alien technology" making these images, why are most of them creating such easy shapes for humans to make? All you need to make a circle is a piece of string or rope.

I know there are crop circles out there that aren't based around "circles" but the majority of them are. This to me is a sign that simple human tools were used, and not "alien" technology.

[edit on 2-7-2009 by 0nce 0nce]

There are more Non circles in that picture than there are circles.........You just disproved your own point....congrads..

Originally posted by Bluebelle
Good point! They have their starships and god knows what else advanced technology... but yet they cant finish a crop circle in one night!

Or maybe their just trying to show off by making it bigger than normal so it wont look crappy next to the giant horse

Who says they can't ????

Maybe they chose not too...

Cant you prove they didn't ?


fin

Originally posted by JScytale
i find it hard to believe people would find the idea that extraterrestrials travel the vast distances from their home worlds and discover earth, begin studying it, and decide to... make images in their crops to be reasonable.

primarily, WHY would they do it? i can think of no reason. if they wanted to communicate, there are plenty of ways to attempt contact. the fact they are exclusively made at night really screams man-made secretively to me. why oh why would aliens try to hide their communication attempts? until they were done of course. doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of saying "hey, we think you're interesting, look at us we found you!" Why wouldn't they simply hover over a major city for an extended period of time, say several days? Landing would be quite risky though, any time the seal on their ship was broken (anything coming in from outside period) they would all be in tremendous risk, probably doomed. Unless you are idiotic enough to believe life from an entirely different ecosystem would not only have no problems breathing our air, but would have defense mechanisms for each and every one of the thousands upon thousands of threats our ecosystem has, such as bacteria.

second, why are they visual representations? its actually rather rare for an animal on our own planet to have sight as its *dominant* sense. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to learn an extraterrestrial race used smell or hearing as its dominant sense, and communicated by say, releasing chemicals into the atmosphere and their equivalent of writing (semi permanent language) would be rubbing chemicals on a surface. even assuming they understood we have sight as our primary sense and communicate audibly and decided to try to communicate visually, why is everything so readily recognizable? I'll tell you why. Because every single representation of anything was produced by a human brain. Unless you assume you would know what you were looking at if an alien who saw poorly in the infrared spectrum drew a flower.

[edit on 2-7-2009 by JScytale]

Who says they traveled great distances?

Maybe they have been here watching over us for as long as we have been here..

Then they wouldn't have to travel far at all...

And just because we can't detect them does not mean they are not there..

just ask snipers in the military about that one..........

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
Did you ever consider that it being made in 3 stages is also a message too? prob not...

Oh wow...

I said that in my FIRST POST.

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
--I think I know what some crop circle defenders are going to say. Something like; "The aliens made it in three different stages because it is probably relevant to the message they are trying to send us."

I think that would be called "grasping at straws".

Thank you for proving that you didn't even read my first post before making your comment.

Since you ignored what I said, I will ignore everything you say.

[edit on 4-7-2009 by 0nce 0nce]

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce

Originally posted by RiotComing
I'm sorry but you bring absolutely zero evidence that these formations are man-made at all.

I'm sorry, but you bring absolutely zero evidence that these formations are alien-made.

I have SUPPORTING evidence, that they are man-made, but I don't have PROOF. Yet

NO ! you have supporting evidence that they are from the same creator..

You provide no evidence or supporting facts that their creator is human.....


Just because people live near them???


Tons of people lived in downtown New York near the towers on 9/11 ........Are all those people responsible for it just because they lived near by?????

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
reply to post by realist00

 

First off, all of these "crop circles" that I posted are all found in the same LOCATION. Meaning whoever is making these lives in the UK, and lives near the crop circles. Second, all of the crop circles found in that area all have the same "signature", the same basic design, which also points to it being the same group who is making it.

Why isn't this design found in crops in other places? Why not have a similar design in USA? Why all the same designs, in the same location, and not other locations?

Well, because HUMANS are known to leave "signatures" in their art work. For example, there are professional detectives who study handwriting of people. They can look at peoples handwriting, and even art work, and they can tell who did it. They can compare to other writing and art work, and there will always be evidence of that person. It's in their "signature" that they subconsciously show in their work.

In this newest crop circle (the only reason I'm showing this c.c. is because it's linked the the original c.c. in my first post) you can see "circles";

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/43c1b3598e29.png[/atsimg]

The fact that the base of the design is around "circles" is SUPPORTING EVIDENCE that it is human made, because "circles" are the most easy shape for humans to create in crops. If this was some "advanced alien technology" making these images, why are most of them creating such easy shapes for humans to make? All you need to make a circle is a piece of string or rope.

I know there are crop circles out there that aren't based around "circles" but the majority of them are. This to me is a sign that simple human tools were used, and not "alien" technology.

[edit on 2-7-2009 by 0nce 0nce]

There are more Non circles in that picture than there are circles.........You just disproved your own point....congrads..

yes it is possible

I just wanted to know, why nobody is trying to find out ... it cant be hard to find this guys doing these things .... it would require a lot of noise during the night

reply to post by zorgon


Can Humans not also replicate other things we find in nature ?

We have plenty of things we made that are not natural ?

Some circles could be man made and some not.....No evidence either way...


I'm not so convinced either way but there are way too many people on this site who are just soooooooo convinced that 100% of crop circles are man made.......


Every time we have SOME proof that one thing happened we always believe that , this is the ONLY way it happened...

Shows how foolish we really are sometimes....

reply to post by 0nce 0nce


Once Once,

It's pretty amazing how you seem to be lusting for
spamming the circle threads with unsubstantiated
drivel.

You seldom answer back though, to the hard questions
being asked.

At least you had the decency of starting your own
thread.

Now, if you would only be staying right there..

Which you don't.

You prefer to continue defecating all over the
threads?

Me, me , memes..

As if you were having "pro" written all over you,
however, not concerning those subjects you purport to
excel in.

Among the skills you claim to possess, (art design..)
you also claim to be an expert on 'magnetics'?

At some circle thread you wrote this:

"I know A LOT about magnetic force. I know some things
about magnetic force that you can not learn in books..
and most scientist don't even know..."

What a coincidence.

It just happens also to be THE major recurring theme,
not?

Not only in the crop ideogram designs, and in much of
the research, but actually throughout the entire
'UFO' debate.

Like in magnetic propulsion systems, anti-gravity device,
free energy, and so on.

You probably also know then;

- that any advanced research on matters relating to
electro-magnetism, went virtually underground right
in the early 50's?

Most research related to electro-magnetism remains
highly classified.

Meaning, the outside world is basically being led to
believe that 'there's not much to see here'.

Out of this research, among other 'things',
information technology has developed.

coincidentally:

When this (covert) industry started booming;

- heavy censorship was being placed on any UFO
related news in mainstream outlets until this very
day.

- The sudden stop of publishing nationwide, even
worldwide, UFO reports and witness accounts by the
media.

- The sudden appearance of professional 'debunkers'.

Initial genuine accounts were dealt with one by one.

..following:

The arrival of 'professional contactees', who blessed
us with the 'greys/grays', the 'Zetas', 'GF'.., etc.
etc.

Basically:

UFO lore's 'Box of Pandora' was opened.

Coincidence?


('Only those darn f@.#! persistent cropcircles..!')


p.s:

In either case Once Once,

Keep up the good work, because I feel, all ET wants us to do, for now, is talk and debate.

In the long run, your perspective, does more good
than harm.

ET just appears to be one step ahead of us all.


Sol12
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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/64c89efd8fda.jpg[/atsimg]

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
Does man not also live by waterfalls ? So did man make them ?

No, there are waterfalls where there are no man, while I haven't seen any crop circle in a place where nobody lives (although that does not mean that they do not exist, obviously)

They are natural you say?

No, man-made

Prove it !

It's hard to do that, I would need to catch someone doing them, and even if I did it would be proof only that that case was a man-made circle.

While people keep on thinking that, for some reason that eludes me, crop circles must be made by aliens, there will be no way of proving to them that all crop circles are man-made, because it's impossible to prove that each crop circle was man-made, and people would ask for that.

-post removed by myself-

I misread a statement.

[edit on 4-7-2009 by 0nce 0nce]

I find all this somewhat exasperating, this thread.

Never hard of the multitude of disinformation techniques used to muddy waters of several areas from non Terran craft to prototypes air and space craft to ancient artifacts and loads more.

SOP!

Some of these crop formations are real, most are not, it was discovered quite a while ago now that some of the true formations documented years before correlated to recent discoveries in quantum physics that were made and above that, how infrasonic and ultrasonic frequencies affect quantum states and a lot more very advanced science which has emerged in more recent times, and which have very exact signatures, waveforms and such like, to what has been observed in early formations.

Following this epiphany, particle physicists have made leaps and bounds in the understandings of quantum existence, dynamics and mechanics, more than that i wouldn't say if i knew.

But true formations have certain elements in creation which cannot be faked, very different to what all fake crop formations leave as obvious indicator they are Human made and that is not something Anyone, sceptic or believer or complete refuter can know just by looking at a ruddy picture or video, one has to visit the sites and conduct proper lab' tests from samples of whatever plants were affected and lain down as well as soils.

The true formations are considered to hold too much information about particle physics and sound wave based technologies and likely much more beyond comprhension as yet, some linked to artifacts and their usage, propulsion systems and weapons as much as zero point energy generation hyperdimensionality and the like, probably things even the fringe can't even think of, yet, and so as well as simple fakes made by curious folk having a laugh at people, there is an established protocol of creating loads of more complex fakes and even replicating true designs in adjacent fields but making so many changes it turns the information's to nonsense and where true ones appear they are managed as soon as possible, by documentation then obfuscating by forcing early cropping as soon as ll possible information is documented, film and pictures taken etc.

I don't believe there are actually that many true formations and the majority are fake, but there are true formations.

Part of me feels this is wrong and what is being learned should be shared not possessed but then the most part of me feels what advances have been possible thus far from this vector requires careful handling and one can only trust this is the case and TPTB won't keep everything black military and implode half of local solar space by keeping knowledge to a limited group and getting something very wrong while experimenting in an accelerator or something.

[Oh. And i do think there may be a temporal componant to this.]

I know some on ATS will never believe in non Terran entities if one came up and zapped them with some form of super-awarenes beam or something, (humour), and i am not going traipsing around the net to get supporting preponderance to any of that nor get embroiled in defending my perceptions here.

Make of it what you will and leave it there, see the sense or don't.

I've said what i wanted to say about crop formations and will not be repeating this in other threads.

And it's also a bit narrow minded to come out with things like it's ridiculous that NTE's travel 'x' to get here only to make crop formations, who says that's all they are doing, their only objective, only mission.

Not paying attention are we, just deny, ridicule, disparage, destroy.

No wonder some people haven't got a clue.

Healthy scepticism is fine, to believe blindly is folly and foolish, it is right to be discerning, utter closed mindedness though, is like a disablity and i suppose i should feel pity for completely closed minds, but then, knowledge can be stressful and ignorance is bliss.


Paxus.




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