'If I didn't confess to 7/7 bombings MI5 officers would rape my wife,'

yeah. 7/7 was an inside job, too.

the subway car had a hole ripped upwards from underneath the car. the bomb was not in the subway car. it was under.

see my signature.

Originally posted by dino1989

have you look at the evidence? they are very similar to 9/11 attacks

same coincidences all over again

The evidence from Spain refutes all the claims that the 9/11 and Madrid bombings were made by the U.S. government, or the government of Spain...

Authorities in Madrid found evidence, and convicted Osama Bin Laden and several other Islamic terrorists for the 9/11 attacks... Other Islamic extremists were found to be behind the Madrid bombings...

Obviously you are the one who hasn't looked at the evidence....

As for this topic?... A terrorist CLAIMS that MI5 officers said they were going to rape his wife... Oh boy...no wonder some people are so naive...

Yes, there are Islamic terrorists that only wanty to kill innocent westerners, despite the claims of some to the contrary...



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If people keep making up stupid stories the truth will get mixed up with the stupid claims, and exagerations.

A terrorist making claims that "MI4 officers said they were going to rape his wife if he didn't confess" is no evidence at all, but just CLAIMS from a terrorist.



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Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by dino1989

 

What is disgusting is that people will automatically believe him.

By now I would think people would have learned that crying torture is a powerful weapon for the terroists.

Does it happen? Of course it does, but nowhere near the freaquncy that is being reported. It doesn't matter though. People will stand behind the terroist as soon as he says the word torture.

No evidence needed.

You have more accurate rate statistics? Where from? Under your same logic, people will stand behind the torturers because the guy eventually confessed. People will say anything to stop the pain or protect their families.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse




did i say ANYTHING about Madrid bombings? NO so please dont bring other stuff in here

when did i say Madrid bombings were done by the US government ?


i just realised how much you lie

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If we hadn't been using torture inthe first place, this guy could never have used this excuse and been believed. We should never resort to torture no matter what.

reply to post by andrewh7


And the acts of the few have clouded the judgement of people like you.

Now everytime a terroist cries torture people like you are quick to automatically believe them. That is what makes it a perfect weapon for them.

They know people will believe them, no questions asked.

I find it odd that he was tortured and was told that if he didn't confess that they would rape him and his family. Yet he doesn't mind going public with his claims now.

Doesn't he worry for his families safety?

What is to stop these officers from killing his family and making it look like an accident?

Either he is lying or he doesn't care for the welfare of his family.

reply to post by dino1989



I don't see where he lied.

What he stated was the truth, it might not be about the subject at hand, but it is the truth.

I like how you used the angry face. I find it funny that some people actually get angry over words on the computer screen.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
If we hadn't been using torture inthe first place, this guy could never have used this excuse and been believed. We should never resort to torture no matter what.

They would still use that excuse.

All it takes is them putting doubt in our minds and they have succeded.

Originally posted by jd140

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
If we hadn't been using torture inthe first place, this guy could never have used this excuse and been believed. We should never resort to torture no matter what.

They would still use that excuse.

All it takes is them putting doubt in our minds and they have succeded.

But we would be less inclined to believe, if we weren't already aware that we have been torturing left right and center

reply to post by woodwardjnr


I don't think we would be less inclined to believe them.

The war is so unpopular that anything negative would be jumped on and used just like it is know.

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

I don't think we would be less inclined to believe them.

The war is so unpopular that anything negative would be jumped on and used just like it is know.

Yeah, but we're meant to be the good guys right? The fact that its turned dirty is our fault. we lowered ourselves to torture and left ourselves wide open for these types of accusation

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reply to post by woodwardjnr



We was seen as the bad guys long before torture was brought up.

Torture was icing on the cake.

The fact is that we (and every other country) has tortured people in every single war and conflict. That is why I don't see why we are making a big deal out of it now.

I keep hearing how we are better then that. I always respond with. Since when?

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Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

We was seen as the bad guys long before torture was brought up.

Torture was icing on the cake.

The fact is that we (and every other country) has tortured people in every single war and conflict. That is why I don't see why we are making a big deal out of it now.

I keep hearing how we are better then that. I always respond with. Since when?

Torture should always be a big deal. Remember our forces have gone into two sovereign nations, bombed and killed their innocent civillians, Taken men we "suspect" as being terrorists. Taken them to Cuba, Extradited them to countries for further interegation. we have absolutely no moral position in these wars.

Sorry, going to have to say complete bollocks to this whole story and whether 7/7 was a conspiracy is irrelevant.

This person has absolutely no corrobative evidence whatsoever, he was arrested in Bangladesh and it was Bangladesh officials who interrogated him and allegedly threatened to rape his wife, he claims that MI5 officers simply left the room when he was tortured.

The headline is sensationalist #e!

His allegations are unprovable and designed to upset the sensibilities of the liberal PC brigade.

Absolutely pathetic and that a British paper should print such a story, in such a manner, with NO supportive evidence is disgraceful.

On a slightly different tack, bearing in mind that these people are quite prepared to murder up to thousands of innocent women and children, how are we supposed to question these terrorists?
Ask them nicely to tell us the truth?
Remind them that it's not nice to lie? (not true in Islam, they are allowed to take whatever means possible to spread their barbaric religion).
Tickle their feet?
Give them chinese burns? (suppose even this would be assault).
Frown at them and pull nasty faces?

FFS get real, these are religous fanatics determined to do anything in their effort to impose Islam upon us all, they are willing to blow themselves up, surely even the most wishy washy, do-gooding, PC driven Muslim apologist can see that a certain amount of threat and terror must be present when questioning these people.
I don't agree with some of the more extreme stories we have heard but come on, how do you expect us to extract any sort of worthwhile information from these people?

"where's the proof?" isn't that always the case. i'm on my laptop typing this.....but where's the proof? since i can't provide it, it must not have happened but if it didn't happen how did these words get here?

9/11 was a government sponsored exercise to get America and it's allies into the middle east while carrying popular public opinion for the war. 7/7 on the other hand, was a government sponsored exercise to reassert that public opinion when we all began to get fed up seeing our soldiers coming home in body bags.
It seems the powers that be decided to use the exact same type of plan for both events.

FEMA was at the ready in New York on 9/11.
Powers ambulances and fire engines were parked outside the stations at the ready on 7/7.

Americas air defence was away playing war games on 9/11.
The UKs top terrorist specialists and best police officers where away in Scotland at the G8.

To convince the public the 9/11 planes were flown by terrorists they left a perfectly preserved passport on top of rubble.
In London they did the same with driving licenses!

Watching the events unfold in New York on 9/11 was Rudolph Guliane.
Watching events unfold in London on 7/7 was Rudolph Guliane! (spelling?)

After 9/11 a media frenzy begins attacking muslims.
After 7/7 a media frenzy begins attacking muslims.

I could go on. . .
We're going to have to get use to it I'm afraid. The government, backed by the media, is going to continue claiming that muslims are planning the west's down fall, while they bomb Afghanistan and plan further wars in the middle east. Until they make a blinding mistake which even those who meekly except the governments lies can clearly see, we are going to go on having these kind of debates.

For those who haven't seen it yet, I would suggest you watch this documentary called '7/7 - Ripple Effect'.

video.google.co.uk...