More Iraqi prison photos--more fun

You guys think this is bad, look what is currently happening in Chechnya...

Most Americans don't have any idea what real war atrocities are...

Oh this is great, yesterday a bunch of no nothings are "if its on the internet,blah,blah,blah" "oh your wrong". So proud to be so wrong.

Now look at todays news, Video of rape of young boys, underage girls.

Ha,ha,ha, this is great.

Originally posted by ashley
Oh this is great, yesterday a bunch of no nothings are "if its on the internet,blah,blah,blah" "oh your wrong". So proud to be so wrong.

Now look at todays news, Video of rape of young boys, underage girls.

Ha,ha,ha, this is great.

Nice, judge, jury and executioner. Perhaps you site something a bit better this time than an article that starts with a question as to the intent of the information.

Also, try showing how wide spread this is rather than taking one example and using it to depict over 130,000 men and women.

Unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and 'acting inappropriately with a dead body.' Also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing guards raping young boys... Developing...

This is what I was talking about,what are you talking about? Is there more,ha,ha,ha.

P.s. Might not want to use the words "wide spread" considering the allegations.


P.S.S. Inside jethros mind..."4 photos=4incidents" "9 photos=9incidents"

[Edited on 8-5-2004 by ashley]

Ok...so lets see....

Since our HERO Busche has been in office.... he has allowed over 3000 people to die in the most unbelievable attack in American History at the WTC...(he didn't know about it and it happened, so why is HE a hero?) and now HIS military are conducting the most awful acts on human beings, Iraqi's (sure, they're the enemy, but didn't Saddam do the same thing to them?) Both these attacks are horrendous........and on Busche's watch. Our perception of what a "hero" is has been completely lost.

...fin

I really don't know how to repsond to that except to say, you're sadly correct.

Yes Colonel......

It is VERY sad.

Welcome FIN,

I see you just beemed in from Colonel's world.

While i agree that the behaivor in question should not be tolerated, But from what ive seen, this "torture" is far from horrendous...i can think up much more abusive things than having my photo taken in unfavorable situations.....hmm how about beatings, electric shocks, putting out cigars on the flesh..starvation..drugging, pressing, the rack, or how about CUTTING OF A PRISONERS HEAD?

Where do you draw the line between mis treatment and torture?

Originally posted by jetsetter
You are right. I am tired of a few troops causing bad press for all the troops. You should show photos of the soldiers building schools and helping people, then we will talk.

this because little is actually being built. Money is handed over to the Iraqi's and they pocket it. What is being built is mostly destroyed the evening of.

We have soldiers walking around peeling off money to whomever for such causes with no accoutability to where money is going. Quit listening to the Administration's hogwash and wake up.

The most corrupt and contentious administration in history. "Compassionate conservative" my arse.

Originally posted by CazMedia
I think we all agree this behaivior is unacceptable, especially from those representing the USA.
BUT
Colonel says;
"When will we say this is enough....or is this what Bush's America represents?"

I think the President himself said repeatedly this is enough.......
What I find amusing is how we can look at this case and leap from front line soldiers (guarding prisoners) to blaming Bush for these acts....

I'd say what this represents is that not all Americans actually use their brains...If you find yourself wearing the military uniform of your country, in a generally hostile land, during conflict, and your guarding POW's, youd think youd be very aware of the stakes happening around you.

I can understand normally peaceful people being put into this stressful and confusing situation of war...these guards were probably not fully professionally trained to be doing what they were charged to do..they got cought up in gloating over their defeated enemy...blowing off their frustrations in the worst possible way, then being stupid enough to take pictures of their antics...

But lets overlook the individual soldiers that commited these acts and blame Bush....
Also much like in a seperate thread, it apears that colonel is willing to utilize pictures of people being abused or dead in order to support his political adgenda against republicans and Bush.

Im NOT saying hide the pics or censor information...but just read the inflamatory HYPE some attatch to this and how they then are so willing to use others suffering to further their cause also while using this same suffering as a weapon against their opponents....

Or is it ok that these prisoners will now keep being used as pawns as their images are co-opted by those seeking to gain from their pain.

The President is Commander and Chief. Most higher ups knew these atrocities were happening months ago. The buck stops at his desk, or shall I say our bucks since it has cost us over $100,000,000,000 and all that has been accomplished is the world now looks at us as the fanatics and Nazis that this administration really is.

Originally posted by RedOctober90
In every war there is a fair share of torture, rape, casualties.. and all that stuff. Something to get used to.

are supposedly over there to end such crap. We are supposed to be above this and the compassionate country. Every Iraqi is now searching for some AK-47s or rocket propelled grenades to get rid of the occupiers.

video.bmj.net...

I can't believe my eyes
I dont know what this is all about can someone enlighten me please. Where do I read about this???

Saddened at how things are

Originally posted by Seth Bullock

Originally posted by ashley

Maybe not the best choice of words. Considering the sodomy and rape of under age girls and stuff.

I'm sorry? Am I missing something here? Are you saying US troops in Iraq are sodomizing and raping underage girls?

Can you substantiate this?

It was insinuated by one of the senate armed services committee that there are allegations of child rape (pics and/or video) that are being held under wraps at the moment. This is going to get far uglier.

"In every war there is a fair share of torture, rape, casualties.. and all that stuff. Something to get used to."posted by RedOctober90
This war was preventable

"It was insinuated by one of the senate armed services committee that there are allegations of child rape (pics and/or video) that are being held under wraps at the moment. This is going to get far uglier."posted by observer


Indeed it has. BEHEADED ON THE NET...Click the link below (Not for the faint of heart)
www.thesun.co.uk...

Originally posted by ashley
Unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and 'acting inappropriately with a dead body.' Also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing guards raping young boys... Developing...


I think the operative word would be "developing". My point, is that you seem to think this the standard while I do not. You have not shown it to be.
Fake Pictures
Political currents run deep in this war.


P.S.S. Inside jethros mind..."4 photos=4incidents" "9 photos=9incidents"

By the way, it's not P.S.S, it's P.P.S. p.s. means Post Script (in case you didn't know). So each subsequent entry would add a "p". It should read Post Post-Script

[Edited on 8-5-2004 by ashley]

Madman and surfer,
It seems like you both are willing to use images of people being abused for your political gain....(to get Bush)
Is this percieved behaivior any different than filming chopping someones head off for political gain?

"I didnt take the pictures, im just going to exploit them further" This is no excuse to politicize this situation.

Wrong doing was committed, and is being adressed. Thats the issue we're trying to understand here (as well as the gov with its hearings/investigation)
Any excuse to bash Bush eh?

MADMAN
Yes the Prez is the C.I.C. and the buck stops with him.
Bush humbly, and publicly appologized to the world and muslims/arabs in specifically for this. How often do you see ANY world leader doing that? How many American Presidents have done that?

The fact that the gov knew about these events and was quietly investigating is not a surprise....they needed the "quiet time" before the media circus to find out the facts and understand what they were dealing with before wild speculations ran rampant thru the media.

You said "all Iraqui's are now seeking" (weapons).....
How did you determine the # of them seeking weapons?
so there are NO Iraqis training with coalition forces to police their own cities?
NO Iraqis trying to build instead of destroy?
NO Iraquis that fled combat areas peacefully to avoid the conflict?
No Iraqis that turned in weapons/terrorists to the coalition?

If i believed your assement that ALL Iraqis are now combatants because they are trying to get weapons, then id be fine nuking the whole mess....

But as i believe there are some innocent people in Iraq, and people there that wish to build instead of destroy,
I cannot condem ALL Iraqis, let alone speak as if i did survey ALL Iraquis.

SURFER
Yes, this war was preventable.
Saddam could have complied fully with 10 years of UN resolutions, either by showing he had no WMD's/illegal long range missiles, or by comming clean with what he did have and allowing its disposal of WMD'sto be monitored....Too bad for him we called his bluff...and enforcement occured.
Like he didnt see American forces poising to strike Iraq before? (gulf war) Or the massive and expensive build up of troops before we took him out?
He would still be in power today if he had read the signs we were serious.
Oh yeah i forgot, he was counting on France and Russia to protect him politically in the UN as they were all in bed with Saddam with the UN food for oil rippoff that looted Iraqi oil on both ends of the pipeline!!!

Your trying to blame Bush for pulling the trigger on Saddam overlooks the dictators defiance and violence for over a decade. Guess what...
The President gave the world plenty of warnings, and made a command decision to back the talk with action. (OMG someone in D.C. actually made a decision!!)

Remember Bush saying after 9-11 we'd see them "at a time and place of our choosing"
Good morning Afganistan and Iraq!!!! Too bad, but not sad.

I am Muslim and from another part of the world. I am not surprised at all at the abuse photos. Most of us already knew this sort of stuff happens in Chechnya, Kashmir, Afghanistan and now Iraq. Perhaps for the West it is an eye opener. Also the western agents and sychophants who rule our countries are far more cruel than the Americans. However what truly surprises me is some of these American soldiers were stupid enough to take pictures and spread them around like that.

What is sad is America has its freedom and democracy and set of humanitarian rules, but it does not go beyond the statue of liberty or the golden gate bridge. The rules stay within the confines of USA.

Interesting point Oosman!

I have to say that we love our freedom and hope and pray that what is happening now and has been happening in regards to war that we can at least salvage some of our sovereignty....and keep our freedom and not trade it in for some false security. Which I am afraid to say is the very thing that I feel is going on and not behind our backs but right in front of us.

...fin

The only people I can see them relating to are trailor trash and family/domestic abusers.

No other people with half a heart can identify with these #ers, and i'm assuming most of America doesn't either...


It's nice that people can put a spin on this issue and make American's look bad isn't it.

Any chance you people get you'll take a jab at the country as a whole.. Why don't you go screw off and move somewhere where you can identify with other socialist spin doctors.

Obviously you identify more with the enemy then you do with the true American people who don't relate to or swallow this # the way you do.

It's garbage it's most vile form.

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by TrueLies]

Originally posted by oosman
I am Muslim and from another part of the world. I am not surprised at all at the abuse photos. Most of us already knew this sort of stuff happens in Chechnya, Kashmir, Afghanistan and now Iraq. Perhaps for the West it is an eye opener. Also the western agents and sychophants who rule our countries are far more cruel than the Americans. However what truly surprises me is some of these American soldiers were stupid enough to take pictures and spread them around like that.

What is sad is America has its freedom and democracy and set of humanitarian rules, but it does not go beyond the statue of liberty or the golden gate bridge. The rules stay within the confines of USA.

Well, Osman, I had an interesting conversation with my Greek friend today. He owns a comic shop. You don't know they types that walk in there for comics and baseball cards.

In any event, he told me that we knew of these pics from forever. In fact, those pics were standard operating procedure in dealing with Middle Easterners. Why? You have the pics for the interrogator to show future prisoners and say, "Tell us what you know or this can happen to you." He's gotta be smoking while he says it.

If the prisoner says no, then it happens.

The pics got out becausee someone sold them to the outside world.