California Collapsing

Of course there are other things amiss, but the handouts just bring more wanting handouts..and those who work hard have to support all that come. Those poor have and effect on prisons, police forces, health departments, hospitals, etc driving up cost for those who do pay. Though the politicians just turn a blind eye to the reality. Instead pandering to the people wanting the handouts and the people wanting cheap labor.

So, we are just "the states" now, not the United States? Seems to be this is what most of you are advocating.

You know, on 911, people from all over the nation were flying in to NYC to volunteer. So many, some of them had to be turned away. And now we have another state in crisis, and you are hoping it really gets worse for them?

Ca. has had poor leadership as of late. Sure, what do you expect? Who would elect a movie star as governor? Pleeeeze. He got in so far over his head he drown very quickly, and people are just now noticing?

But nonetheless. Poor leaders can be replaced, and fiscal security can be restored.

It would be a shame to let that great state collapse. We should help them anyway we can.

That's my two.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


I'm coming from a technical and legal point of view. I'm not hoping for anything bad to happen. But it will. Constitutionally what ever the Fed gives to one state they must give to all. Otherwise it's essentially preferential treatment without equal protection of the law. That's why the bailouts piss me the hell off.

California has coming what it has caused. There is plenty of historical precedent for not doing what California has been doing for decades. They are HUGE deficit spenders. The state has the worst credit rating in the nation, because of this borrowing has been extremely expensive for the state for quite some time now. The technical problems the state faces with it's fiduciary duties are staggering and a product of mismanagement. What we are seeing today is a PREDICTABLE consequence.

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reply to post by apacheman


To all you who think California is some sort of socialist welfare state, what world do you live in?

For all your socialism blather, you sure seem happy to live off our dime: California gets about $ .75 back on each tax dollar we send to Washington. We're supporting your disrespectful butts, and getting pretty tired of it. I can't imagine how much we send to the New York banksters each year.

We've had Republican governors for quite awhile now, their fiscal policies have driven down the quality of education statewide, made a lot of peole homeless, and cost huge numbers of jobs. They've allowed corporate ripoffs left and right, just like everywhere else. If this is socialism, it sure looks a lot like conservative capitalism to me. We've been bled dry by successive frauds like Enron: my monthly electric bill hit $745 during the height of the crisis, after we cut usage by 35-40%. I've never recovered a dime of what was extorted then. Corporate America likes to charge us extra for everything: a sun tax for the privilege of living here. Gas were I live runs about $3.00 a gallon today, last year it hit $4.52 in some spots. We, the people of California, are pretty fiscally frugal in our own lives, we have to be: wages are low compared to the cost of living. If I'm living in a socialist paradise, nobody's told me about it, and I've never seen it.

My county supervisors just finished wasting several years and millions of taxpayers money unsuccessfully fighting state law about medical marijuana. Does that sound socialist to you? The strongest union in the state is not the teachers' union, nor a labor union, but rather the prison guards union. I guess that's socialist, too.

Someone suggested that what we need is our own state bank, so we can issue credit backed by our tax receipts, and quit paying interest to New York. I'm all for that.

Regardless, we're screwed now.

And guess what?

You're screwed, too.

Because we've been supporting the rest of the country, and we can't afford it anymore.

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Good for you! I get so sick and tired of Out-of Staters ridiculing Ca and calling it leftisit, liberal, utopian, etc. when it's been Republican controlled for years. I'm sick and tired of being called a "dirt worshipping tree hugger" when there is real concern for our environment's welfare. Tell me, what do you breathe when the trees are gone? What do you drink and eat when the water's unfit to consume? Bah! I'm done.

And we are sick of you call us gun-toting rednecks.


That still doesnt chance the fact we are not bailing out your reckless spending habits. Cut your costs, cause raising taxes is just going to make your problems ten fold next year.

its all in how you see it.

what do you react to? what are your choices?

will the sky literally stop providing oxygan and plants literaly die? no, so shut up and be happy and keep doing your thing

think microscopic, not macroscopic. do your part, properly. and not worry about "the country" no one person actually controls the entire country

its lots of people all working and building things, supplying food, water, health items liek razors, vehicles, fuel, construction upgrades, roads, new freeways
and more.

its only over if you think its over. its all in how you see it
if you give up at something, then you just gave up. if you go fuel your car then you just fueled it.

and the lifestyle choices you make, shape who you are and what you are. if you smoke, then youre a smoker, if you have sex, then you had sex, etc

reply to post by apacheman


And a star or two. I've been saying that for years and people look at me like dripslobbering caveman. We aren't the only state with an illegal immigration problem. and the problem is corporate driven and it is to put pressure on wages. And as for the Welfare Queens.....my daughter is a single mother of three and was working full time until being laid off recently. I suppose the rest of the country would sit by in self righteous indignance and let them live under a bridge starving to death? And believe me when I say she's not getting wealthy off the system.Double Bah. I'm done again.

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And I totally agree with you on all counts.

The US economy has been running on empty forever, built on this illusion of prosperity that really is just everyone spending money we don't have.

reply to post by missvicky


Missvicky, most people think you have a wonderful state. It is beautiful, brings us food, wine, and our entertainment. Anytime I have the chance to go there, I do. And I am always amazed with the great beauty and diversity.

Don't let all these people get you down. California will be saved, because it is worthy of saving. You are going through a bad spot, well okay, maybe. But you'll pull through. You always do. With or without the help of the feds.

Everything that has been done can be undone.

We're talking about California!!!! It's remarkable!!

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The state of this monetary economy is deppressing indeed.

I never thought in 2006 when things were booming something of this magnitude could happen to the USA.

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Thank you! I get pretty frustrated at the finger pointing and the blame games. It's not an isolated problem like project vixen has been saying. I tend to think that this national problem has been planned and designed for years.....and it really got into gear in the last eight years. That Calif is going broke as well as some other states is the process in which the nation will fall. As long as there is bickering among ourselves we might as well just keep going along to get along. Instead of smugly pointing to Calif that its getting its just desserts, everyone should be watching what's going on in their state and realize we're all in this together. Quit letting corporations rule this country!

Originally posted by missvicky
reply to post by apacheman

 

To all you who think California is some sort of socialist welfare state, what world do you live in?

The world I live in is Los Angeles and I can tell you that the government and your views of it are far from reality.

State workers are paid far higher and receive far more benefits that private counterparts. Now that the economy is in the crapper, they want to increase taxes to make sure their cash flow stays well funded.

That, to me sounds like a socialist welfare state enough.

And if you think that socialist welfare states are utopias, especially the ones that can't print their own money, I think you really need to see what the real world is like.

And if you want to blame it on conservatives, there is something you should know. Republican does not equal conservative just like Democrat does not equal the party of the little guy. You really need to join us here in reality if you think otherwise.

But sadly, your argument will soon be irrelevant. California is going to collapse. There is no way to support the current system and all the state worker contracts and hopefully their pensions will soon be void due to bankruptcy.

We will soon see the stability of the high tax, high control socialist state very soon as it goes down in fiscal flames. I am going to enjoy the lefties whine as their programs dry up. am going to enjoy seeing the state unions (and yes the prison guards are lefties too) see their financial support dry up. This raping of the taxpayer is going to stop one way or another.

And all the King's horses, and all the King's men, couldn't put California together again.

Dominos anyone?

Never mind...Wrong forum...Geez.

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reply to post by Mdv2


This is "just another crisis" for Obama to grab even more power and
control.
The California bailout is on the way.
If Obama was smart he would spend about $200 Billion on a
NEW city in California.
They are building 3 new cities in Saudia Arabia.
$160 Billion each!
Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!


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We could kill two birds with one stone, give that state to China to pay down our debt. Chinafornia ... Chinafornians ... I can get use to calling them that. Or how about Mexifornia? We better start building a fence around that state, before them Chinafornians decide to become illegal hypocrites and try to sneak into Oregon.

reply to post by missvicky


It's PROJECTVXN not project vixen. And you are indeed correct.

This is engineered. I want to think it is because otherwise it is the the largest exercise in collective stupidity human history has ever seen, and the thought of that depresses me greatly.

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Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Spartak_FL

 

well if you didn't see my edit i apologised.that was way off i know .can't even remember where it came from.far as just leave.thats not as easy as it sounds. go where? this # is really startin to suck. i'm gonna get off this thread before i get in trouble.


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There are some areas in this country where they have trouble finding workers. The only problem with the places that I could tell by researching the towns was that the rent cost as much or more than you could make at the jobs. Some places may be better though.

I recomment searching the internet for news articles for places that have a lot of jobs/low amount of workers. Also, there is a website called
findyourspot.com that helps you find cities/towns where you might like to live. I kind of found where I live in an unplanned manner and never thought I would like it. It's much nicer than where I used to live.

reply to post by Mdv2


California: the experiment gone bad.

Funny, we got ol Arnie the repub and good ole drum face (Pelosi. just way to much plastic surgery) the dem Speaker.

Who knew we had such diversity in one state...

The good battle between evil and evil...lest?...yeah right...

I truly despise politics, or at least our jacked up version of politicians.