Young people to older adults, "We know better, leave us alone!" Survey

reply to post by OldThinker


Depends on who it is. There are so many variables to take into account. Intelligence of the individual, their education, their general level of apathy, the events of their lives, etc.

I'd say a 21 year old Albert Einstein is smarter then a 65 year old David Letterman. (though a 65 year old David Letterman may be funnier then a 21 year-old Albert Einstein.)

The same problem I have with your question is the same issue I have with ageism in general. You are asking if all 25 year olds are wiser then 65 year olds. It's a generalization and a stereotype. Every individual is shaped differently through these factors, and as such these age based generalizations are worthless.

I'll throw a question back at you. A 65 year old woman is contacted by a 25 year old scam artist who tells her she won a new car, and all she has to do is send 350 dollars for the shipping costs to collect it.

Now who's wiser or smarter? the 65 year old woman or the 25 year old scam artist?

reply to post by OldThinker


The most recent generations are the only generations to grow in a truly technological world with free flow of information and ideas. It is simply the evolution of society... lol. I agree with you though, the kids do ignore a lot of wisdom, but they learn in their own way.

For the most part, young people are not in positions of authority, at least at the higher levels.

On the whole, young people think that the novel is superior to the tried and true.

Typically, our culture tends to think of those who manage to attain an advanced age, did so by holing up in a cave somewhere in the Sierra Nevada.

Characteristically, youth believe that because the mature have mastered their urges and have developed patience as a virtue that they have no knowledge of the zeal of youth.

This has been the trend for no less that 10,000 years.

Soon all us old folks will be dead and the youth of today will be middle-aged and beyond and the fate of the world will be at their hands and the fingers of the youth of that day will be pointed directly at them.

Thus the cycle will have come full circle and will continue for the duration of our species.



[edit on 2009/7/2 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
For the most part, young people are not in positions of authority, at least at the higher levels.

On the whole, young people think that the novel is superior to the tried and true.

However, the novel just might just be superior to the tried and failed. Look at what has been tried and where we are for it. Something truely novel must be attempted or we'll just be stuck with history repeating itself at the same level.

reply to post by EnlightenUp


I said, "tried and true." You said, tried and failed."

That's a straw man argument if I ever saw one.

pure diss info,

change young people to citizents and older adults to goverment.

i belive the metafore is clear ,

but the article is just nonsence, they switch govermental dissagrement to parental issues ,

they are dumbing you down , here have a glas of milk and a cookie , now go play in the pen like all the other childeren...

Just speaking for myself - and looking back at myself and my friends over the years...

I think there is tendancy of youth to discount the value of experience and this isn't really anything new.

Looking backward though the years my views have changed on some subjects from what they were 20 years ago. Why is this?

The short version - I've lived and experienced. Rather than just hearing about things in the classroom, web, tv, from friends etc I've had a chance to experience some of them.

In doing that I've seen some issues were far more complex than I thought and the simple views I once held simply would not work - no matter how much I tried to make them. Some of the things I was told in classroom, on the web, by friends etc were simply not correct, only showed one facet of the story or packaged in such a way push a certain agenda. If you do not have experience as a frame of reference it is easy not to realize when this is happening.

Yes - there is value in new thought. Much value. There is also value in having taken part in life and the world. Much value.

I think another reason is pointed out in this article..

"More Better Faster!": How Our Spastic Digital Culture Scrambles Our Brains

The short version of the article - Reflection or long term thinking is needed, but that value is replaced by a drive for short term thought.

Originally posted by Frogs
....In doing that I've seen some issues were far more complex than I thought and the simple views I once held simply would not work - no matter how much I tried to make them. ....

Hindsight ONLY comes from experience...

I'll check out the read later tonight...thx for providing your post!

OT

Originally posted by zerbot565
pure diss info,

So the implication here is the surveyors are lying???? Come on now....

What of the 3000 people interviewed...made up by 'ACORN' Staff


OT

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

I said, "tried and true." You said, tried and failed."

That's a straw man argument if I ever saw one.

I know what you said. I know what I said. What was true before got us here. What seemed to work before may not work now. Transmute the circle into a spiral.

The young may have knowledge, yet he lacks the wisdom to put that knowledge to fruitful action.

Originally posted by PoetofTime
The young may have knowledge, yet he lacks the wisdom to put that knowledge to fruitful action.

PoetofTime, could not have said it better......!

Why/How did you come to this wisdom?

OT

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
.....Transmute the circle into a spiral.....

ok....how do I do that....?

Are you speaking of the Avatar?

OT

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

I said, "tried and true." You said, tried and failed."

That's a straw man argument if I ever saw one.

What "straw man" argument are you two discussing...


May I help?

OT "tried and True" yet confused.... still my thread, right?

OT out....

Originally posted by EnlightenUp

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

I said, "tried and true." You said, tried and failed." That's a straw man argument if I ever saw one.

I know what you said. I know what I said. What was true before got us here. What seemed to work before may not work now. Transmute the circle into a spiral.

Ofcourse what was considered "tried & true" before may well have been, like a great deal of what is often refered to as 'common sense', either somebody else's agenda, pure prejudice, or some of both. Thus being more accurately described as 'repeated & false'.

Originally posted by OldThinker

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
.....Transmute the circle into a spiral.....

ok....how do I do that....?

Are you speaking of the Avatar?

OT

I suppose if you're asking then you're already doing it to some degree. Discerning the "tried and true" of tradition vs. the "tried and true" of wisdom can be daunting at times. In other words, what things do we do because they've become entrenched and which do we do because it is actually wise and prudent?

If nothing changes, things repeat themselves endlessly, thus we have a circle. If we make advances in our understanding, discarding the useless or counterproductive that we recognize, each cycle is advanced by a small amount and progress is made, thus a spiral.

Nothing to do with any avatars though.

Generation after generation, old lies become new truths and old truths become new lies.

All in the shape of technology.

Almost everyone is exploitable...but a new form takes place each generation. People are "forced" into a general, societal normal.

At the same time, I still do believe the newer generations are always smarter than the previous.

I foresaw this years ago in High school.

The new generation, my generation, are conservative secularists to my best notion.

People who believe in conservative values, but have no care for religion and do not see it as important. Most of us believe in an afterlife and God, we just see no point in organized religion.

And most of us understand that gay marriage is just as valid as regular marriage, because love is love. They can't have kids, that's it.

You might be thinking "doesn't gay marriage go against conservative views?"

No. It does not. It goes perfectly together. We have no care for the actions of others in their own bed. Most do not like the gay parades, and I cannot understand sexual patriotism, but why on Earth would I deny the right to marriage to 2 people who love each other?

Facebook polls, where the youth hangs out, really goes a long way to show this.

Some issues about this generation you should know about:
A lot of this generation seems to be against abortion more so now.
We're still split on the origin of man, surprisingly, but most stick with evolution or God + evolution.

F the government. We do not like it.

The current economy is not solvable with massive money spendings.

War is not good for anything but emergencies.

World unions are good so long as the constitution still rules our land.

Sorry old folks, but you're just not right and I don't have a whole lot of respect for the baby boomer generation. No disrespect, but you're just wrong on so many things.


[edit on 5-7-2009 by Gorman91]

This is the result of programmed information = Divide and Conquer.


Just as before.


We have learned nothing... because were are not supposed to.


Look up FederalJack, Global Research, Peers, Citizens for Legitimate Government,

Patriots Question 911, Oathkeepers dot org, What Really Happened, Yannone, Rense,

InfoWars...


The Bilgerbergers, Timeline of the Rothschilds, Report from Iron Mountain, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,

and "Healing Codes" by Dr Len Horowitz... The clock is ticking..........................

It's not what I or you believe, that isn't part of their equation.

reply to post by mcguyvermanolo


No it's not divide and conquer. That's silly.

This is the simple fact that the old generation is wrong and backwards and the newer generation is growing more progressive and liberal.

That's what's happening.

If they wanted to divide and conquer, I doubt it would take 20 years.

[edit on 7-7-2009 by Gorman91]