Lockheed Skunkworks Engineer, Don Phillips Says UFOs are Real

Originally posted by JalZhaunlUss
A friend and I were outside at 2 A.M. the other night and we saw a light in the distance that was flashing between red and blue hovering in the distance. Once it started moving closer we were able to see it was a triangular object with 2 dome type lights on the "back" tips of the object and a single light which seemed to be movable on the "front" tip. I call them front and back respectably from the way it was flying. This craft flew over my neighborhood at no more than 1000 feet in the air and had no sound whatsoever. I did research and found that it could possibly be a somewhat declassified "Aurora" project craft. TR 3B is extremely similar to what we had seen. Yes, i am sure it could have possibly been alien, but from what i found it appears to be US Military stealth craft.

It was probably a police helicopter, they even have green flashing lights.

Look, you show me a probe on another planet tracking and watching a "ship" of some sort flying across titans sky, and i'd be more inclined to believe it was a UFO than something on earth. We put hundreds of aircraft in the air all day long, at any given time there are hundreds of aircraft in the air in the United States... Probably thousands...

Lets put that into perspective... Now if this were the 1800's...

Originally posted by warrenb

Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
In time we will all know...I just hope these creatures are friendly, lol.

I hope so too. Their lack of apparent intervention or violence leads me to believe they are perhaps friendly or at least not interfering for some reason.

That makes 3 of us,,,,

But I dont trust them(ET's),,,,nor do they trust us....

Ive read on how some have beautiful encounters with ET's,,,,but I give more credence to the horrifying abductions...

yes,,they could destroy us,,shoot all our sattlelites down,,,drop a plague/pathogen down upon us...
but who's to say they havent done something...

this place is a zoo for them,,,

I may be wronge,,but we still dont know who or what we are dealing with...

huggs everyone

Originally posted by noonebutme
reply to post by ChemBreather

 

Hey ChemBreather, just a question about that clip. At 3:00 mins, is that actually Aldrin's & Houston's *real* voices or is it an audio reconstruction of the event?

Sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm not familiar with Aldrin's voice and don't know if that's the 'real' audio clip or a reconstructed one.

Either way, very very interesting!

im not him but i can answer that...the video is apparently a remake of a conversation that 'apparently' took place...so its fake

reply to post by alienesque


Damn. I'm not casting doubt on the incident or what was said, but reconstructed audio based on events will always be counted against it.

I should have guessed tho, as I couldn't imagine NASA letting loose such recordings so easily. I mean, the genuine originals would severely damage NASA's rep (if that's possible anymore? )

Originally posted by Trauma
I am paraphrasing here, but I remember an interview with a top level Lockheed employee who said "We have already been to the stars, and anything you can imagine we have already done."

That was Ben Rich who was at one time director of Lockheed but is now dead. The rumour says he was quoted as saying this at a university lecture. Although it's quite a strong rumour, it's never been confirmed as far as I know (having said that it was never denied either).

Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
reply to post by warrenb

 

I hate to say it though, my gut feeling is that these creatures aren't friendly. They seem to have been around for a long time and seem only to show up when they want to impress the observer or intimidate them.

I think you need to define "friendly". I hve no real idea on the topic, but we can think about things logically in different scenarios.

If we take Neil Armstrong as having said the "they are not happy we are here". Then we can rule out that these things are working directly with the government. We can also rule out that they want to destroy the planet, because they could have done so all ready.

As well, they aren't giving us the technology or atleast it's not reaching the general public in order to allow humans to leave the earth.

This suggests a quarantine, a slave camp, or the "alien ant farm". Or - how about all 3 at the same time.

This is of course only speculation and a possibility, I surely don't know for sure. Some things that stick out in my mind in reference to the bible and other ancient texts.

When you look in genesis, it talks of man being sent away from the "garden" back to the "dust from which he came", which would be the earth. This is due to us being learning good from evil, and to protect the "tree of life". Well this suggests a quarantine.

Move on to the tower of babel. Man is united under 1 language and culture. "They" confuse our languages. At first glance it may seem like this makes "them" against man. However, if we look at what happens after on earth we can see the reason for it. After the languages are confused and people scattered, they start to war with each other. Now, you might again want to blame "them" for the wars. But it is man who decides to war and enslave each other. Because of that, it exposes that the true evil of man would have shown if they had been able to enter back into the garden(which the tower of babel somehow was meant to allow). If man is out roaming the universe freely, they would have warred with and enslaved any species they came across.

Now, the "PTB" of this world are obviously doing "evil" things. They promote wars for profit, manipulate and decieve people and so forth. No doubt about that. Spirituality on this planet has been put on hold for the past 2000 years. No real advancements in society as a whole. Meanwhile, military advancements get the #1 priority in history. So many advances in technology are a result of wars and advancing the war machine. People are blinding into doing these things out of manipulation.

This is of interest, because of the so called "battle of Armageddon". Where the forces of earth fight "them". "We" think we have a right to expand in the universe and so forth, and we are under quarantine for our "evil". Thus, we start to war with "them".

And according to some in the UFO community, such wars are going on and have been.

So friendly in this case would be a relative term. If we wouldn't do evil things, then it wouldn't be a problem.

Again, I have no idea if the above is true, it's just speculation. I'm not a prophet, I don't claim to be an ET and I'm not in contact with ET's or anything like that. It's just how I see it playing out as being most probable if we assume certain things are true. Who knows what the real truth is, and only time would tell.

reply to post by badmedia
We already know some sightings of the F-117 were identified as UFOs before it was declassified, and they WERE in fact UFOs while they were a black project. If the UFOs seen more recently are really newer black projects, piloted by humans (and it seems quite logical to think some are), I'm not sure how friendly that species is, seems like mankind is capable of immeasurable love and compassion, or unspeakable evil like the holocaust. Quite a mixed bag, wouldn't you say?

Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
reply to post by warrenb

 

I hate to say it though, my gut feeling is that these creatures aren't friendly. They seem to have been around for a long time and seem only to show up when they want to impress the observer or intimidate them.

And how does that translate into being unfriendly?

I say, that if these beings have been here, either observing or 'encouraging' us in one way or another, for millenia...and we are still here debating them as we are, it's a pretty safe bet that they are not hostile.

My personal feeling is, that they are simply observers.

As we go into the deep jungle habitata of the world and study 'primitive' peoples, they are doing the same.

Only they probably have a LOT more information on us our flora and fauna, and our planet itself, that we do.

Witnesses from disclosure and other areas have gone public, and stated that these (some of them at any rate) do indeed posses weapons systems.

That interests me.

We can look at this fact in a number of ways, but it says to me that either their weapons are actually not weapons in the human sense, but are devices that have a broad spectrum usage, in that they are designed for other things, but used in a certain way are percieved as weapons.

OR

That violence and war is as prevalent 'Out there' as it is down here.
(what a depressing thought).

OR

The weapons systems are designed for them specifically for visiting Earth, as they know what an agressive species we are, and they may need to defend themselves.

The fact that we are debating this after countless millenia of their visiting us, that their primary purpose (if not astro-anthropology) is not to wipe us out or use us in other negative ways.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


Yes, you could look at it as intimidation disabling the missiles etc...OR you could look at it as them saying to us...look...you are a wonderful, unique, species, albeit relatively primitive and superstitous, with such potential for more that you realise...yet you build these weapons that threaten to wipe the whole lot of you from the galactic record.

We do not want to see your species annihilate yourselves...disarm your crude weapons, save yourselves.

OR

They could be saying, if you go ahead with the weaponisation of space, populating orbital platforms with high yield nuclear missiles, with the intention of launching them against ET's, then look...watch this...see? Your weapons are as easilly disabled and made useless.

Idk who to believe. With aliens, as with religion, you go on whatever you want to believe. Me personally, I want to believe in aliens and a 2001 A Space Odyssey-like scenario, but i cant say. I dont really trust any evidence on the internet because i dont know the person personally and i have no idea if it has been tampered with. I will not just listen to some asshat who worked for the government or claims to have worked for the government. The government can easily hang out on the internet spreading ET crap to make you think the government knows everything. I doubt they know #. I doubt anyone knows #. But, I do know someone who does things for people of authority. He said there are aliens. Idk.... You create your own reality.

All speculation really...but if i put my faith in alot of statements and the history of UFO's,and the silly notion that i even have the faintest idea how another advanced species thinks.I'd say they couldn't care less one way or another what we do or how we act towards each other.Whether it be joining hands and singing kumbayah or launching thousands of nuclear weapons at each other, i dont think they care much in the slightest.

reply to post by spikey


I love your interpretation! Thank you.

I think we all want them to be benevolent, and save us from ourselves.
(somebody needs to).

I wish we could know what their intentions are. At least know that much.

They obviously have some vested interest. I mean, come on. We are not that difficult to study. All they have to do is beam up a couple of medical/history/anthropology books, and a cadaver or two.

So they have some other motivation for continuing to come here.
I want to know what it is, and I think it is vile of them to lurk here without giving us the reason. If they are protecting us from others, and ourselves, shouldn't they somehow let that be known?

And if they are protecting us from ourselves, then why didn't they intervene the thermonuclear warhead that went to Hiroshima? Now, that would have been a noble cause.

(give me a break here, It's been less than 24 hours that I've even accepted they come here.)

What motivates them? It's not curiosity anymore. If they have been coming here for centuries, they probably know more about us than we know ourselves.

Are they harvesting something from us?

Originally posted by Moraz
Can anyone explain to me why can't just Neil come out in public and say all the truth? I don't wanna sound rude, but he will die sooner or later, so better tell mankind all the truth before passing away...

Easy...
when you're young, it's your life at stake...
when you're early to middle aged, it's your childrens lives at stake...
when you're old, it's your grandchildrens lives at stake.

Really, saying ahh he'll die soon, so what is he worried about? Getting killed at 85 years old?!! But people forget about his lineage, his children and grandchildren and so on.

If it is put to them, in no uncertain terms, that if you talk and tell of what you have seen and what you know, it will not only be you that goes for a desert walk, it'll be your children and your childrens children that have a nasty little trip to the desert...you have been warned. How many do you think would risk everything, to inform a world that probably wouldn't believe you anyway!

Just look on here at ATS.

How many Gov insiders have come out on record, only to be rediculed and intellectually attacked (and physically, in some cases) by seemingly random people here, most of whom, if they were being paid wages for the disinfo and smear campaigns, would make a rich living at a guess. (you all know what i'm saying)

Would you risk your whole family to tell a world populated by people who wouldn't believe you even if you showed them hi-res photographic and video evidence, together with documents that prove the lie?

Well...newsflash...that's what happens ALL OF THE TIME.

We HAVE photographic and video evidence, we HAVE documented evidence of coverups etc etc etc.

Yet, the same negative voices are always raised. The photo's are a hoax. The photos are a trick of light and shadow..the photos show a weather balloon, a paper lantern, a flock of birds, a temperature inversion, clouds...etc etc. The video is faked. It's been cleverly edited. It's a sun flare, it's light reflecting from an airliner etc etc. The documents are fake, the testimony is fake...everything is fake.

Again...would you risk your family, when there is so much orgainsed resistance to the truth? I wouldn't.

reply to post by spikey


BRAVO I couldn't have said it better. I think what you said is what most of us already know. There are a few brave souls that have risked "it all" to get the truth out, only to be labeled as a looney, loose creditability and face loss of job and in worst case death.
I can think of several people that braved the onslought and were taken "for that long walk in the desert"
Perhaps someday soon we will know the truth. Until that day, we sort thru all the "tidbits" to find something or someone who knows.

reply to post by noonebutme


Correct me if i'm wrong, but....

Isn't the sound clip where the supposed astronaut says what is that etc etc...from the 'War of the Worlds' audio?

The last part of the record? I think it's called NASA epilogue or something...i have a cd of the complete album somewhere, so i'll have a look.

Just sounded really familiar to me, and i remembered the WotW album sounding a LOT like the voice on the video.

I'll see if i can find it, and let you know. (feel free to beat me to it)

reply to post by spikey


NOPE!

No match...just checked the war of the worlds audio, and while the format sounds like the audio from the video, it's not the same.

I still think the audio in the video, sounds like actors.

reply to post by starwatcher1


Awesome find. Glad these credible witnesses are coming out.

Does anyone have any details about Don Phillips' technology company? Where can I sign up?

reply to post by guppy


Thanks, I don't have anymore information on Don, maybe google his name and see what come up? If you find anything interesting post it here. Thanks Again.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


Thanks for the thanks Ladyinwaiting,

But i get the vibe that you are like me, and a lot of other people who just want to get to the truth of all of this.

You want an explanation, and you want it NOW! Well...me too!

If i read you right, and apologies if i'm wrong, but you seem to be writing of a classic emotional 'transference'...'Vile of them to sneak about and not tell us what is going on' sort of thing...completely understandable way of thinking...but it's really frustration you're feeling.

If you want to blame anyone for the lack of knowledge and understanding of this situation, don't blame them...blame us. It si humans that are sneaking around, hiding the truth and concocting lies to keep it hidden from us. Be angry at them.

As for the ET's...who knows what their cultural protocola are?
Perhaps, to them...influencing an inferior race overtly, is a crime where they are from? Perhaps it is considered one of the worst things they could do?

Whatever their motives and history, i'm as frustrated as you are about not knowing the whole truth, as are most people who take notice of this subject i suppose...i'm not angry at the ETs, i'm angry at the policy makers here on Earth who hide that truth from us.

Originally posted by spikey

Originally posted by Moraz
Can anyone explain to me why can't just Neil come out in public and say all the truth? I don't wanna sound rude, but he will die sooner or later, so better tell mankind all the truth before passing away...

Easy...
when you're young, it's your life at stake...
when you're early to middle aged, it's your childrens lives at stake...
when you're old, it's your grandchildrens lives at stake.

Really, saying ahh he'll die soon, so what is he worried about? Getting killed at 85 years old?!! But people forget about his lineage, his children and grandchildren and so on.

If it is put to them, in no uncertain terms, that if you talk and tell of what you have seen and what you know, it will not only be you that goes for a desert walk, it'll be your children and your childrens children that have a nasty little trip to the desert...you have been warned. How many do you think would risk everything, to inform a world that probably wouldn't believe you anyway!

Just look on here at ATS.

How many Gov insiders have come out on record, only to be rediculed and intellectually attacked (and physically, in some cases) by seemingly random people here, most of whom, if they were being paid wages for the disinfo and smear campaigns, would make a rich living at a guess. (you all know what i'm saying)

Would you risk your whole family to tell a world populated by people who wouldn't believe you even if you showed them hi-res photographic and video evidence, together with documents that prove the lie?

Well...newsflash...that's what happens ALL OF THE TIME.

We HAVE photographic and video evidence, we HAVE documented evidence of coverups etc etc etc.

Yet, the same negative voices are always raised. The photo's are a hoax. The photos are a trick of light and shadow..the photos show a weather balloon, a paper lantern, a flock of birds, a temperature inversion, clouds...etc etc. The video is faked. It's been cleverly edited. It's a sun flare, it's light reflecting from an airliner etc etc. The documents are fake, the testimony is fake...everything is fake.

Again...would you risk your family, when there is so much orgainsed resistance to the truth? I wouldn't.

Thanks for the answer.