Scientists Make Radio Waves Travel Faster Than Light , page 2

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Daniem
The universe expands faster than the speed of light, and some of the galaxies we can see right now are currently moving away from us faster than the speed of light

Explain yourself "Voldermort"

Regards

getreadyalready

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 12:18 PM

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My brother is a theoretical physicist. I sent him this link and he told me to post this response.

Einstein was not disproven. They should be aware that Radio waves are a form of light and that as light, they are not traveling fast than themselves. This just says that the speed of light can be manipulated. That is pretty cool. As long as we can make light faster then, we can possibly make particles and information travel faster! That is really awesome.

I told him that is an interesting play on semantics, but it does bring up a good point. If the radio waves are technically a form of light, and we are manipulating their speed this dramatically, maybe we can manipulate a faster form and get even greater speeds.

Imagine getting 2x or 10x the speed of microwaves!

The Broadcaste

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 12:23 PM

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This may end being a facepalmer, but if the suggestion is that they can speed up light, what would happen if they could slow it down?

(I'm waiting for someone to point out that we already slow light down, it's called "blank", hence the face palm remark)

warrenb

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 12:24 PM

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Most people think Einstein said that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, but that's not really the case, Singleton said.

Einstein predicted that particles and information can't travel faster than the speed of light — but phenomenon like radio waves? That's a different story, said Singleton, a Los Alamos National Laboratory Fellow.

why do people have such a hard time reading?

Zeroh

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 12:27 PM

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EX-CEL-LENT FIND. I wonder what new doors of technology this will open!

visible_villain

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 12:31 PM

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Electromagnetic radiation

Electromagnetic radiation (sometimes abbreviated EMR) is a ubiquitous phenomenon that takes the form of self-propagating waves in a vacuum or in matter. It consists of electric and magnetic field components which oscillate in phase perpendicular to each other and perpendicular to the direction of energy propagation.

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Electromagnetic radiation is classified into several types according to the frequency of its wave; these types include (in order of increasing frequency and decreasing wavelength): radio waves, microwaves, terahertz radiation, infrared radiation, visible light, ultraviolet radiation, X-rays and gamma rays. A small and somewhat variable window of frequencies is sensed by the eyes of various organisms; this is what we call the visible spectrum, or light.

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EM radiation carries energy and momentum that may be imparted to matter with which it interacts.

Source : Wikipedia

getreadyalready

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by warrenb

Most people think Einstein said that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, but that's not really the case, Singleton said.

Einstein predicted that particles and information can't travel faster than the speed of light — but phenomenon like radio waves? That's a different story, said Singleton, a Los Alamos National Laboratory Fellow.

why do people have such a hard time reading?

I think we ignored the quote because it doesn't make any sense. The information is embedded within the radio signal, so information is travelling faster than light. So in Singleton's quote, he contradicts either himself or Einstein. Therefore, we simply ignored it instead of debating his mistake.

Plus, radio waves are not a phenomenon! The dual nature of light as a wave and a particle both is a phenomenon. Radio waves are pretty mundane.

Back to the scientific breakthrough, if a radio wave can be accelerated, maybe light in wave form can be accelerated as well. Then, because of the dual nature, we have also accelerated particles faster than light.
But, alas, semantics. If we accelerate light, faster than itself, we have not really exceeded the speed of light, have we?

warrenb

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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reply to post by getreadyalready

a misinterpretation perhaps?

They state that Radio Waves are traveling faster than the speed at which light can travel.

As far as I know, radio waves and light are two distinctly different things. I admit my knowledge of such matters is limited but that's how I am interpreting the content of the article.

mnemeth1

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 12:54 PM
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What I find humorous is the attempt to justify pulsars based on this finding.

By this point I hope people realize that 99.9% of what mainstream cosmologists are telling you is a complete joke.

They have invented themselves a new religion to explain the cosmos where by only the gifted elite minds of quantum physicists can explain it.

Ask any electrical engineer if they have ever used magnetic reconnection to solve an engineering problem and they will laugh at you.

mapper

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Good thought rogerstigers. This could open up so many doors to new ideas, just like yours. I bet all us ats'ers could come up with a hole technical theory and practical use of this new find.

Im started thinking if this may help better understand the wave-particle duality. With the double slit experiment. I have some ideas im working out. May post back with them soon.

Here if you not familiar with dbl slit wave-particle duality

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warrenb

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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yes the pulsar thing is a bit of a stretch

glad you chimed in

visible_villain

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 01:11 PM
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You said :
Im started thinking if this may help better understand the wave-particle duality.

This 'wave particle duality' is prima facia evidence that our 'scientists' have their heads up their their own butts !

NoJoker13

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 01:19 PM
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My thoughts exactly, kind of like you can't hit a baseball out of the park without a bat. Just like radio waves cannot be emitted without a producer. An extremely amazing idea that actually goes hand and hand with Einstien's theory.

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mapper

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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Exactly, and im wondering if this information could be of use for them while they were developing theories back in that second video linked. In some way im sure Einstein could have used this info in his thought experiments. It could have given him the light over the head Erika! moment.

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yeahright

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 01:28 PM
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No face palm required. 38mph. At that speed, the photons are in the left lane, wearing fedoras and cruising with their turn signals on.

born2BWild

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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I love it! Great thread. I just wonder how long it is untill we advance to interstellar travel? Can't be long now!?

Johnmike

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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reply to post by The Broadcaste

Light slows in a medium, ex. air, water, etc.

And if any of you missed it, keep in mind that radio waves are a form of light themselves.

Gorman91

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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Not squished at all. Waves are not the same as matter. They have some connections though.

You can quantum tunnel waves and do all kinds of things with them. Mass is bound to a finite space. Quantum tunneling mass is another story. They can do it with small hydrogen in special conditions, but not solid mass like a ship... yet.

The theory holds true. The speed limit is light speed.

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mnemeth1

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by born2BWild
I love it! Great thread. I just wonder how long it is untill we advance to interstellar travel? Can't be long now!?

Considering space is made up of vast regions of separated electrical charge, interstellar travel seems highly likely to me.

There is no light speed barrier.

What we see as a light barrier is the delay it takes for the "aether" to propagate the light wave function. There is no speed limit on matter as scientists claim. Just as an object can travel faster than sound, so too can an object travel faster than light, only instead of not being able to hear it from the front, we would not be able to see it from the front.

While I'm not particularly religious, I find the notion of the universe being so incomprehensibly huge without an efficient way to travel about it to be highly unlikely.

If plasma cosmology is right, our measuring rods of distance are grossly distorted and the nearest star systems might indeed be closer than we currently think they are.

I'd wager than within the next 1000 years of human history, assuming we don't blow ourselves up or enslave ourselves, humans will have developed a means (or at least the knowledge) of traversing inter-stellar distances.

Gorman91

posted on Jun, 30 2009 @ 01:59 PM
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There's no Aether. This is such a rub burned theory.

There are areas of space with waves in them, but they are spreading out.

Until we can learn to harvest the vast energy needed to quantum tunnel something large, or use gravity to manipulate space time, we are stuck at 3x10^8 m/s

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