If as so many people seem to believe, why have we never captured a ghost ?

Originally posted by afoolbyanyothername
It's a true statement to make that a large percentage of the human race seems to believe in some form of spirituality or occultism for many thousands of years.

My question is this:


You'd think that with the countless number of people that had died over the millenia, that you'd be expecting to trip over ghosts every time you turned around.

If untold billions of humans have lived and died over the millenia, and with an almost universal belief in spirits/ghosts, then why is it that NOT ONE ghost has EVER been "captured", analysed and displayed to the world as proof of the existance of such entities and confirming this widespread "belief" ?

I won't accept "foggy" images seen on photos or recordings or "voices" heard on tape as evidence of such entites ... I want to know why there's NO absolute and undisputable proof of a ghostly existance ? They either exist ... or they don't. If they do, then why no proof ?

Hi afoolbyany/

This guy captures Ghosts~
Ok, seriously now!
A ghost is not what it seems...there is no BODY...
Can a demon be captured?
Can an Angel be captured?
They are spiritual beings in a celestial body....they have no Body as we do...we have a Body and Soul(Spirit)they are just a Spirit!
So they cannot be captured in some type of box or jail or whatever.

ICXC
helen

Originally posted by peacejet
The thing is that ghosts stay on earth until their actual life time is completed(if they died earlier than they were supposed to) or they wished to stay on. But once they cross-over we dont see them. So, eventually over time, most of the spirits do cross over to the other side.

But this is exactly what I'm talking about ... here you are making statements and assumptions about what "ghosts" do ... but where did you get your "information" and "knowledge" from ? Who did the research to absolutely confirm this stuff we here about "crossing over" and "ghostly unfinished business" ? Seems like the stuff more likely to be made up from ignorance and lack of any solid knowledge ?

There's just soooooo much crap "known" about ghosts but NOBODY has the proof to back up these claims. Here one ridiculous bit of "ghostly knowledge" ... ghosts can apparently walk through solid walls and doors ... and yet they apparently have no trouble in being supported by the solid ground !

How can you "catch" something that doesn't have a physical body? Like was said before, you can see the effects of a tornado but you can't "catch" one". It has no physical body. Neither does a ghost. Once someone figures out how to contain something that doesn't have a physical body and keep that something intact, then it may be possible. Until then, we can only study the effects of poltergeist activity and the effects that are believed to be signs of a ghosts presence.

its probably just the ionization rate on your spectralreadomotor

reply to post by afoolbyanyothername


I would just like to ask you a few questions.

1.Have you encountered a ghost before and have the experience?

2.Are you a atheist?

There are a couple problems with parapsychology which lessen the credibility of the field as a whole.
William James was the last well known and respected scientist to study the phenomenon, he was absolutely convinced that "ghosts" existed.
en.wikipedia.org...
A good book to read which deals with William James' interest in the paranormal is Ghost Hunters, don't worry it's unrelated to the show =)

Also, there's the fact that we don't have any scientific "proof" we there is some conjecture which could support the possibilitiy of the paranormal. For instance the Copenhagen Interpertation, ya know "nothing is real until you look at it". It's all about uncertainty.

Usually I don't bother with threads like this because I think if you're too absolutely focused on the how of things and refuse to see anything but pure science you'll miss out on a lot of beauty. Reading through though, you seem genuinely curious to know. I hope this adds a bit to the conversation.

Why would you want to capture a ghost? While I never try to capture Ghosts, some do get in the way during resurrections. Most dead people are held in place by the bonds of death, a coffin that locks and seals placed in a concrete box with four feet of dirt placed on top of it. It is also usually bound by clergy reciting magical liturgies to further incapacitate them until they are called by those with authority over the dead. Just thought you would like to know.

Originally posted by Whine Flu
Ever tried catching a tornado in a jar before?

*clears throat in a ridiculously loud fashion*
I have faced your challenge. I have in my possession a jar full of tornado. (also sparkles and foam)
i11.photobucket.com...

(i dont believe in ghosts but ill play devils advocate)
i read somewhere that ghosts cant pass through stone. and if thats true, just murder a bunch of people horrifically in a stone box.

in the book Hell House, Richard Matheson's character Dr. Barrett proposes (and proves) that ghosts are electromagnetic. (fiction yes but its still an idea) couldnt you control a ghost through one of these methods if one of the premises about them were true?

and regardless whether that other stuff makes sense, what binds ghosts to houses and places? whatever that is should be used to capture ghosts.

and about the "ghosts live out the rest of their lifetime" thing, how exactly was that determined without determining that ghosts DO indeed exist and how is it i can get in a car and travel 45 minutes to see places that are "haunted" by ghosts from the civil war. sureley they werent going to live to be 146 years old were they?


[edit on 28-6-2009 by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest]

First , tornados and ghosts are two totally different things. Second , are you absotively posilutely sure a ghost has not been captured? I have seen an imp or demon or whatever it was that didnot seem to be tangible. At my first job as a bagger for a grocery store I was rounding up grocery carts on a Saturday morning when I noticed a white haired clean-cut 50ish yr old white man in a suit walking towards me staring at me with a smirk on his face. He walked by not even 2 foot away from me and I did not SENSE him at all. No sound no scent no wind as he walked by and I instantly turned around and he was GONE. 15 SECONDS later it briefly rained and there wasnt a cloud in the sky. Customers stopped in the parking lot looking up then went on as if nothing happened. How and why would anyone want to capture something like that. But I am sure it has been done just not shouted on the rooftops.


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reply to post by max.is.awake


he'd make a good assassin...and farmers would love him in dry seasons...lol

plus for nothing else you get to make youtube videos of strangers seeing something weird and freaking out.

i would say all those things are valid reasons for capturing.

oh...yeah...AND PROVING THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN JUST LIVING

capturing a ghost would be THE biggest news story up to that point. it would prove that there is more to humans than moving, breathing, uncooked hunks of meat.

(the caps wasnt yelling, just emphasizing the importance of the event)

Why haven't we captured a ghost?

Let me ask you this: Why would we want to?

When you say "capture", I assume you want to keep it and put it in a jar, or a zoo, or a lab somewhere.

Why, why, why would we do that? (supposing for a moment that we could).

Something we know little about, and yet we should be disrespectul towards it enough to take away it's freedom?

To make it's circumstances worse? To interfere with something we know nothing about for own amusement?

tsk tsk.

I know there are various theories about ghosts.
They are energy.
They are soul.
They are spirit.

Ok.

Has anybody ever seen a naked ghost?
Where do they get their clothes?

reply to post by helen670


Ok in the bible it tells of deamons being chained, and casting the devil who is a falling angel in to an bottomless pit. lol

Originally posted by afoolbyanyothername
reply to post by Whine Flu

 

Even though tornedoes do exist, no I haven't tried to capture one.

You're still missing the point ... if each person that dies is a potential ghost source, we should be neck deep in the little buggers by now ... then why aren't ghosts EVERYWHERE and visible and scientifically studiable ? Even if for some unknown reason they're not containable in a "jar", we should still expect to see enormous amounts of direct, tangible & reproducable evidence of their existance ... but so far ... NOTHING ... ZIP ... ZERO ... NADA ...

Well perhaps the state of being a "ghost" is only temporary and doesn't happen to every being that "dies"? The state of being a ghost is usually described as being unready to leave behind attachments to your life and objects/people/places in the world, and this world itself. Presumably once a being is ready to "let go" of those attachments it is free to move on to whatever other levels of reality you are able to access once free of the body.

reply to post by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest


Like many of the ghost photos, I call "hoax".

There is a major problem with the sightings and happenings with ghost phenomena. What i could perhaps have run into or seen or hear, perhaps another couldnt.

What were talking about i believe is the general descriptive ghost. An entity left behind at a location or in a passing late at night whatever.

Depending on what lore or practice, study you are following when discussing ghosts many different paths of belief in the matter can be looked at.

First most and what i am going to talk about is the makeup of what people mostly think ghosts are.

An imprint of an individuals energy and information left behind while the physical body has moved on.

Alot of people wouldnt neccessarily look at this and believe it is possible yet i can refference something right now which is similar if not on a smaller scale.

If any of you have lost a limb or part of their body(hopefully not) they experience what is called phantom pains.

This is where the brain still believes there is a limb there even when there is not. People have been known to experience these kinds of things years after said accident has happened(tragically i am sorry for anyones loss).

What is believed to be happening is even though the flesh and nerves are not there to convey the messages to the brain(in common belief)the signals that would have been transferred as in say someone stepping on your foot. Still are transferred and the person feels the pain that they would have felt had their foot still been there.

Along this line of thinking. A ghost is at times an imprint of a persons inner energy and information transfers left behind.

It would perhaps take a while to explain. that while many people know what we are physically. How we operate kinetically is still largely an area in which we have much study yet to do.

Alot of the times we see a ghost appear when someone dies young or tragically as in murdered. Usually this is said to be a result of the persons mental and metaphysical self being shocked at the time of death. As in to say that the person's soul or mental self was unaware of the physical selfs death, due to great mental stress or shock.

So generally the entity left behind has no real physical body. Depending on what it is capable of, you may get different types of phenomena.

So capturing one is like bottleing lightning. Maybey..? I don't think we really know enough to say.



Only once .well maybey more than that..

But.... once in my life i have experienced irefutable evidence that they do exsist though that still could be up for debate.

And you could perhaps look this up if you want to see if there is any relevance though i dunno if youd find something on it. kay here goes.

So in my youth i used to drink alot. And i went to a detox center.

The place is called either Atwood or Alwood or something like that its for youths. It's in ontario canada.

So there was this girl who hung herself in the closet in the girls wing, which was still part of the original building. the boys end was in the new section orf the building.

At anyrate we were all sitting downstairs and i mean everyone, in discussion. And i kid you not this ghost or whatever it was. started running back and forth across the floor above.

And i tell you friends i was seriously freaked out i have never had such a strong sense of phenomena ever nor since. Well perhaps a few times but those are different tales.

I left a few days after that...



[edit on 28-6-2009 by toraylin]

The answer is because Ghosts don't exist.

Well, when it comes to ghosts it's quite difficult. Because no one knows what they are because we've never been able to study one and not many people want to, or find the exsistance of ghosts rediculous. We do know that people see and hear things that are there one second then gone the next. Some theorize that ghosts only remain if they the actual body expired in a traumatic experience. Who knows what they are?! Residual energy, spirits, or whatever. I think we will never catch one because they exist on a different plane/dimension. People see what they think is Sasquatch/Bigfoot, even shot at them and swore that they made direct hits. But have never caught one or found a dead one. Perhaps there are things in this world of ours that we're not meant to understand.

There were about 2.5 million deaths in the U.S. in 2008. about 120 thousand of those were accidental. Shouldn't there be a whole lot more ghosts running around than there are?

Originally posted by Whine Flu
reply to post by randyvs

 

That's if you even made it to the fire!

Thats if the fire exists....you should try catching it in a jar

And to the Op, there plenty of evidence out there. You're just looking in the wrong places...obviously. Maybe you should switch on your BS meter so you can determine the fraudulent stuff from the real evidence

And just because someone dies, it does not mean that they will turn into a ghostly entity. Your lack of paranormal knowledge is apparent