Obama's Healthcare Plan = Nazi Eugenics Plan?

reply to post by JayinAR


If this doesn't prove that Alex is an operative and a hack I don't know what does! I wonder what he gets paid to scare the public into a posture of continuous fear. The idea is this: Be afraid. There is danger. Here is the solution. Settle for injustice and accept being screwed in return for decreased fear load...

So transparent.

You really have been drinking Alex Jones' Kool-Aid

Why is everything a Nazi eugenics plan, fascist dictatorship, Stalinist tyranny, communist plot, etc, with Jones? Could it be because the only way he can get listeners is to shout sensationalist BS as loud and nonsensically as he possibly can to the lowest common denominator? Hmmm...

But then again I'm probably an NWO shill on the pay list of the CIA or NSA; perhaps both at the same time! I know I could use the money.

Sometimes a healthcare plan is just a healthcare plan, not a plot for world conquest and systematic depopulation... go figure eh?

reply to post by skyshow


Well sure. And the great thing about this crap is that by nature it is an unfolding conspiracy.
So... You can always just say "it's right around the corner."

Until you are blue in the face.

Doesn't change the fact that the Government, as of right now, is STILL NOT killing us with the bird flu.
It is always something new with this guy. And he speaks with enough conviction that people who lean that way already just assume he knows what he is talking about.

He is a blow hard.

But he did get the 9-11 prediction right. So maybe he IS an agent.

Afterall, if he weren't he would have been killed in short order for ruining all their plans the way he does.

...the guy in the video is a whack job and typical of newager republican whiners that cant make up enough crap to whine about... that ilk didnt give a hoot about resemblances to hitler and nazi germany when their (dry-drunk, ex-coc aine user, legal drug addicted, cant make a coherent sentence, never ran a sucessful business cuz he's an idiot) boy was in office for TWO terms while bankrupting our country for his bs make the rich richer wars - and - speaking of eugenics, his daddy, bush da senior, was instrumental in forced / secreted sterilization of indigenous american women in the 1970s - and - lets not foget that dubya's granddaddy was a major financial contributor to hitler...

So saying nationalized Health care is communist doesnt work any more so they are ratching it up and calling it Nazi eugenics. Read up on the subject sometime your no where in the ball park yet compared to that regime.

I haven't watched the vid nor know all to much about what its about in America apart from seeing the pro health care reformers being happy and the anti- health care reformers being unhappy.

Coming from a country that supposedly had and to a degree still does have a dreaded 'socilaist' healthcare system i dont quite see the problem you guys have with health reform, it was working fine for us until the damn freemarket, lets make it a private industry business model suits started fiddling with it a few decades ago and now while its still government run its barely working since its all about making money and paying doctors pittance and using as little cash for every thing so some CEO of the health board can buy a yacht and keep his finance backers happy (the number of hospitals we've closed in that time on the grounds on them not being profitable is sad, afterall profit is more important that easy to access, good healthcare am I right?.. that is what taxes are for after all).

Which oddly enough is how supposedly the marvelous American system works currently.

There comes a point when the wise man spouts off something just a little too crayzie and goes from cooky but wise to just stark raving straight jacket, anti health reformers have just passed that point.

Now to watch the actual video... I might be surprised and end up agreeing. After all your government really is nasty in reality, but socialised health care isnt (if its done correctly).

Edit:- Hmm watched it cant really say im any more enlightened, the guy mentioned a number of examples of similarity but didnt exactly give any references apart from 'he said this at one point, which is like what this other guy said' and their was nothing from Emanuels response that proves the guys statments. Do they want depopulation?... sure do, is this the proof of it... nope.

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Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by AmericanDaughter

 

What the administration needs to do is bypass the greedy insurance profiteers who are the middle men and go between the patient and the care giver. Executives at many of these insurance outfits make more than 400 times what the average worker makes and you call that efficient?

The present system costs us far more many times over than most industrial societies and gives us a product that is substandard measured in increased infant mortality rates, decreased life expectancy and works to block care to more than 40,000,000 of our CITIZENS. Moreover, another 100,000,000 or so are under insured.

So we pay more and get less. When you measure our present horrible system against any other socialized medical system anywhere in the world we don't get the same bang for the buck.

Eugenics has nothing to do with it whatsoever. Why hang on to a broken system

Time to pour out the cool-aide and move on!

But the solution is very easy and cheap. Tort reform. the cost of health care will drop like a rock if you just protect the care givers against multi-millon dollar/ billion dollar lawsuits.

Force three opinions before expensive, non-emergency care is to be given. Make the patent or the patient guardian make the choices, take the responsibility, understand the risks.

Medical caregiver certifications and re-certification by medical boards by members at least 300 miles from the person being certified.

There is so much more to this I've read and heard about, regarding specifics that can make this entire system fantastic.

Death happens even with the best care. They try their best.

reply to post by tkwasny
Torte reform would be possible if the disciplinary boards of Medical Doctors where not such a complete farce. If people are given no recourse when they feel a Doctor has abused them, there will be more cases of irate patients taking the law into their own hands.

Originally posted by Sestias
The speaker is insane.

The Obama administration has proposed a plan to provide HEALTH INSURANCE for ALL Americans.

There may be cuts in medicare and medicaid but the poor and elderly will still have coverage, through their universal health insurance.

The proposal is to provide HEALTH INSURANCE, not to directly administer health care.

The base of Obama's support is largely made up of the less affluent members of society. Far from neglecting them, he is expanding their benefits.

What on earth would possess anyone to accuse him of practicing eugenics?

Uh, actually if you read the fineprint of his medical plan, at least 39 million would still be uninsured. It's nothing more than a giant ponzi scheme.

And we thought Bernie Maydoff was a bad guy. . .

Big differance between this thread and the otherone just like it,the opinions I mean.All the lefties are here in force bashing Infowars when I thought this was about Obamas health plan..but maybe not.

Hey, did any of you Obama supproters get a card that exemps you from haveing to watch your loved ones die at home on pain pills because someone has decided they are of no use and need not spend the time and effort(money) to give them a better quality of life before death?Just a thought.

Originally posted by eradown
reply to post by tkwasny

 

Torte reform would be possible if the disciplinary boards of Medical Doctors where not such a complete farce. If people are given no recourse when they feel a Doctor has abused them, there will be more cases of irate patients taking the law into their own hands.

I fully agree with you that the current medical boards structure is severely inadequate to handle what would be needed if torte reform was to be enacted. Throw it all out and start over.

New med board structure would have to be the backstop, cornerstone and foundation off which torte reform could be accomplished.

You can't put the foxes in charge of the hen house.

If only there could be humans that are oblibated to service to the highest calling ONLY. (like some Jedi council or something) Like a dept of justice is supposed to be.

Will Obama Take Your Guns Away?

That is a question that will net many results on Google and is a scary thought...

Now we get this report, plus this from MSNBC, certainly mainstream media

Obama- Preventive and Indefinite Detention
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And there is another thread on this OP post

Obama Depopulation Policy Exposed! Red Alert!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

All those Fema camp preparation rumors....

So what is it going to take to wake us up before its too late?

I have heard arguments about whether or not the Military would 'follow orders and turn on the people, or if they would side with the people in a crunch. I uses to say "No way would they turn on us, but then I remember Kent State so many years ago

Then add to that all those horror stories of how some police deal with civilians who have done nothing like the case where they shot the Mayors dogs because no one checked the address on a stakeout gone wrong

Now I am not so sure they won't...

But then they don't have to...

If they keep taking our guns... it will be

Us

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Against

Them



These are just one of the many UAV's that carry awesome fire power and do not need a military pilot... They are controled by some kids with joy sticks at Indian Springs with a satellite upload. War can be reduced to a video game. These things could take out your house and you wouldn't even see them

Right now they are using unmanned predators to patrol the Mexican and Canadian Borders SAY WHAT???

U.S. launches another drone plane to patrol Canadian border

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security launched another unmanned surveillance aircraft over the Canadian border on Monday, this time in the Great Lakes area, to try to stem the flow of drugs, migrants and terrorists into the country, U.S. officials told CBC News.

The U.S. has been using the Predator B drone aircraft to patrol its border with Mexico.

www.broadbandreports.com...

www.cbc.ca...

When we tossed the Brits out at the Boston Tea Party at least both side were somewhat evenly matched... but now? What are our options? Germany once had Homeland Security too, the Schutzstaffel literally "Protection relay" (network) We know them today as the SS

I never thought I would hear this stuff from a Democrat

Ok guys, I've been reading a lot of scary sh*t about Obama(nator)'s recent activities, and quite frankly, I am scratching my head over why people would let all these critical issues just slip by. Especially when things are starting to get kinda ridiculous already...

I wouldn't be surprised if the US government is doing another Kissinger Report, but this time not on foreign countries, but on its own soil. The root of why many countries got those crappy vaccines, btw.

With regards to Eugenics, I recommend you guys read this book entitled "The Men Behind Hitler". It's very informative and an eye-opener.

people seem to forget that hitler did not begin as we know him now...
it did start with "harmless" plans as this and snowballed into one of the most horrific events in our history...so far.

reply to post by Anonymous Avatar


This is exactly what we expected. Only a starry eyed liberal would not have expected this. Yes, you will all have health care. If you're healthy they don't care. If you're not worth the dime in their "the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few" estimations you will be SOL. We will all have health care, just not Obama's personal plan.

This serves many needs for the naked Marxists that now own the country. They thin the herd, eliminate the elderly, diseased and infirmed, strengthen the worker class, raise productivity, need to create fewer jobs, need to supply less resources and increase control. The list goes on and on.

This is what you leftists signed on for correct? The feel good about ourselves president. Obama is proving far worse than Bush, just consider the damage he's doing in so short a time frame. They're not even allowing these ludicrous bills to be read. But I predict the guy that replaces Obama from either party (they're all in league) will be far worse. We ain't seen nothin' yet.

Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
that ilk didnt give a hoot about resemblances to hitler and nazi germany when their (dry-drunk, ex-coc aine user, legal drug addicted, cant make a coherent sentence, never ran a sucessful business cuz he's an idiot) boy was in office

Aside from the booze, everything you've said there fits Obama too. Eerie right? Even the "coherent sentence" deal. Obama uhs and ums like a 10 year old in the principals' office without his teleprompter. They're both puppets and despite what you've been led to believe they're both on the same team. Take notice how chummy the Bushes are with Clinton. They're old friends.

Did you see the five living presidents photo shoot a few months back. If you did you would have noticed Carter separating slightly from the others. He was uncomfortable, his body language gave it away. Carter was elected as an alternative to Nixon the same as Obama was to Bush. Carter ran on "change" and "trust in government" the same as Obama. Carter was not an NWO insider, oops! He had to be coaxed, coached and controlled so as to meet the NWO agenda. See Zbigniew Brezinski, the same man now controlling Obama behind the scenes. Carter plunged the country into middle east turmoil, an energy crisis and near depression. Sound familiar? Don't start feeling warm and fuzzy about Obama just because he's slightly more polished than Bush.

I was fortunate enough to not vote for Bush or Obama. That doesn't exempt me from living in the s***storm they've created. Nobody here is touting the wonders of Bush in this thread. Obama's in office, screwing us now and so he rightly gets the negative attention he deserves. Our voting histories aside, we're all in this together.

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S&F. Great thread, I've been keeping up a little bit on the Eugenics movement as of late. There were a few articles out there about it being discussed in England that I read. It was a while back, haven't seen much about it lately anywhere on this side of the pond until recently with the Healthcare bill on the horizon. They do have their lapdogs in the media to thank for that. I wonder if a trend will develop of this being publicly promoted using VERY carefully worded language. Of course how many doctors would be absolutely appalled at this? Thanks for posting this.

reply to post by JayinAR

Sure, socialized care must have the goal of lowering costs. Which leads to degraded care, but I doubt our friends up in Canada believe the Government is actually killing them off

Yes we Canadians know for a fact that our "government" doesn't care about the health and well being of citizens in this great country of ours. Which is why the provinces are making cut backs to cut costs and laying off thousands of nurses.

I am really getting pissed of! Nazi here, Nazi there, everywhere are Nazis!!!

WRONG!!!

WHERE ARE OBAMA'S BLUE EYES AND BLOND HAIR???
Why do you idiots always refer to the Nazis as the Roots of all Evil?
BECAUSE YOU ARE BRAINWASHED MORONS!!!



Heil Hitler!
www.metacafe.com...

I read through this thread because it mentioned eugenics.
Eugenics is just one word for something that has been done many times by many groups in many different ways and been called many different things.
We call it "Nazi" because when the Nazis started doing it in Germany, we in the UK and the US were calling it "eugenics." The Nazis had a similar expression for it, but in German, of course.

We have a scene on this planet where governments, and people (mostly men) in governments are giving up. They know that a government is supposed to protect its citizens and to help them to create a strong, productive, vibrant country (or state or city). And they know they have been failing at this. And they are saying to themselves what they can't face saying in public: they're saying "to hell with it."

That gives the various other groups out there that would like to be in control a way in. And they are for sure not interested in our well being! They are the ones trying to make our rightful leaders fail. At this point governments are riddled with their "advisers" and "experts." And those people, little more than enemy agents, are pushing us to accept their programs.

I know some are tired of hearing "Nazi." But it's a convenient, short word that is descriptive. Most who have studied this know that the Nazis were helped into power by the Rockefellers. And that the Bolsheviks were also helped into power by the Rockefellers. And that the Rockefellers were helped into power by the Rothschilds! The US is seen as a very valuable prize. There are a lot of different groups trying to get their hands on it.

So you could ask: what were we doing right?
Why haven't they totally succeeded yet?

If you could spot what makes a country strong enough to resist covert internal attacks, you might be able to find a way to push back this current round. And come up with some workable answers for health care.

On a sort of of-the-cuff basis some important elements of an honest revival might include:
1) Realistic confidence.
2) Rejection of the idea of privileged classes.
3) Willingness to work hard.
4) Willingness to develop and use new technologies.
5) Emphasis on local control and personal responsibility.
6) A fierce willingness to defend basic freedoms.
7) Awareness that we have something valuable that we will have to fight to keep.

Europe invaded America because they wanted access to inexpensive natural resources. They still do! Later, we did the same thing to the Midwest and on from there. And per many reports from reliable people, forces external to earth are now in the process of doing the same thing to our whole planet. So we can't go back to the "good old days" but perhaps we can build on them. I personally think that "willingness to develop and use new technologies" is key. Actually, that probably isn't worded forcefully enough. We are in a new situation. We really have to stretch ourselves to comprehend it. If we can successfully comprehend it, we might be able to regain control of it. If we do, we will have arrived at a whole new level.

This might seem a bit off the point for a thread on health care and eugenics. But I don't think it is. In our current context, fix-it-after-its-broken medical technologies and finding new ways to rationalize mass murder are both old and unworkable solutions. One suggestion: look at the technologies that the vested interests are working hardest to discredit!

reply to post by Haunebu


Forget blond hair and blue eyes for a moment.

Consider tan skin and brown eyes. Inner city minorities combined with what are now illegal aliens.

These illegals are soon to be given amnesty to swell the ranks of the Obama faithful. Under the guise of compassion of course. Keep in mind also this is not solely the work of this administration. The false conservative Bush ignored the huge influx of illegals. Do you think he just had an affinity for Mexicans? To date Bush has said nothing against the Obama administration and nothing in his own defense. Does that seem plausible to you from this seeming buffoon? This plan was being carried out for decades. If you dig far enough you will find that Clinton set up the funding of Obama’s volunteer domestic army.

The following link outlines Obama's plan for "Universal Voluntary Public Service."
Obama 'Brownshirts' Bill Now Working Its Way Through The Senate

In Nazi Germany this was Grossdeutsche Jugendbewegung (Greater German Youth Movement). Und ein Bit später dies ist die Hitler-Jugend geworden. (This organization later became the Hitler Youth.) The Nazis had various groups for reprogramming adults but they knew that was a far tougher assignment than separating the youth and starting with an almost blank slate. Castro did the same in Cuba. Look it up. Obama has been chummy with Cuba of late or did that elude you? Obama's volunteer plans are age inclusive but that is a front, they know too well that the key to their power is programming the youth.

Under Hitler private volunteer groups were outlawed in German controlled countries. The Boy Scouts for example. No organizations outside of government influence existed. The Nazis, controlled by the Illuminati, ran banks, corporations and service organizations. Sound familiar? I'm sure you've seen documentaries on the Nazi hierarchy; these were ruthless individuals but not the brightest. Every Obama appointment has shown critical flaws also. Don’t you find it odd that the current United States Secretary of the Treasury was incapable of filing his own income taxes without a computer program? Even with the program he still screwed it up or is it “cheated”, you choose. The flaws are there for every appointment. Not minor human idiosyncrasies, major inconsistencies with the appointed position along the lines of Geithner’s. No? Here’s another example:

“Mr. Obama didn't consult either Feinstein or Sen. John D. Rockefeller, the outgoing chairman, about his unusual choice- something a committee official said should have happened both for protocol and politics. Both Feinstein and Rockefeller also questioned Panetta's lack of intelligence-gathering experience.” – AP Jan. 6, 2009

The entire report:

Obama Defends CIA Pick Panetta

Not the brightest or the best individuals for the positions and clearly under covert control. It would be hard to control a competent person. They would insist on bringing their own ideas to the table. Dies ist verboten!

The Nazi Party in German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. In English: National Socialist German Workers' Party. What people fail to recognize is that the Nazis were socialists. They just weren't Soviet socialists. Naziism and Communism were fake opposition created by Illuminati bankers. Obama is a socialist that's why the Nazi connection, he's just not a German. But I can't be certain, many still think he's American.