The largest tax increase in American history under the guise of climate change has passed.

One of the five contributors compares (US) computer climate modelling to ancient astrology.

Others castigate the paucity of the US ground temperature data set used to support the hypothesis, and declare that the unambiguous warming trend from the mid-part of the 20th Century has ceased.

The report by Japan Society of Energy and Resources (JSER) is astonishing rebuke to international pressure, and a vote of confidence in Japan's native marine and astronomical research.

Publicly-funded science in the West uniformly backs the hypothesis that industrial influence is primarily responsible for climate change, although fissures have appeared recently.
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JSER is a governmental organization of the top scientists in Japan who report only to the Japanese Government so they might know the truth.

Shunichi Akasofu, head of the International Arctic Research Center in Alaska, has expressed criticism of the theory before. Akasofu uses historical data to challenge the claim that very recent temperatures represent an anomaly:

"We should be cautious, IPCC's theory that atmospheric temperature has risen since 2000 in correspondence with CO2 is nothing but a hypothesis. "

Akasofu calls the post-2000 warming trend hypothetical. His harshest words are reserved for advocates who give conjecture the authority of fact.

"Before anyone noticed, this hypothesis has been substituted for truth... The opinion that great disaster will really happen must be broken."

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[edit on 27-6-2009 by seataka]

Originally posted by SecretUsername
reply to post by blind.face

 

At least someone here knows how the system works! For them who do not know, this bill barely passed the house.. okay fine enough. But to pass the Senate it needs at LEAST a 2/3'ds majority. So it will have a much harder time passing the Senate... tho it is still possible, like you said with a lot of political suicides

What nonsensical BS bill hasn't passed the Senate?

Voting on a bill that hasn't been read. This just happened recently with the bailing out wallstreet.There's no accountability in our government anymore.

Originally posted by L.HAMILTON
Voting on a bill that hasn't been read. This just happened recently with the bailing out wallstreet.There's no accountability in our government anymore.

This is exactly why I started this thread.

How To Overthrow Your Own Government, Legally and Without Violence, In Order To Survive

Take back your Government, legally, and without violence.

reply to post by Etsivä Romppainen


No matter what the US does it will not matter regarding climate change. Until India and China do something its pointless... f these a holes...

weather global warming is real or not we should all want a cleaner planet.

I got news, I worked for The Intel Corporation for quite a while. They are one of the cleanest companies out there. They run factories at 40% below OSHA standards (for pollution). They do this at great cost, billions of dollars per year.

They picked up the ball and ran with it when no one else wanted to lose profit. Now they are sitting pretty. Everyone had the same chance but everyone didn't take it.

The planet needs to be clean global warming or not. It sucks that the price of things will increase, but the benefit is ok IMHO. Just wondering if OP contacted his/her representative and stated they did not wish this bill to pass. Everyone that didn't pretty much has no say in it.

Originally posted by zorkthegreat


Go out and look as to why American's are hated the world over. Two faced, greedy, selfish, demanding and do not contribute anything to the rest of the world except suffering and demands.

Go back to your own country and be American, don't do it in ours.



[edit on 27-6-2009 by zorkthegreat]

Contribute nothing? Nice computer you have.....your welcome.


Ever use a blender? Your welcome.

Satellites? Your Welcome.

Telephone? Your Welcome.

Tampons? Your welcome ladies.

Tractors? Radio? Flashlight? Traffic Signals? Radio Astronomy? Radio Telescopes? Chemotherapy? The Defibrillator? Mobile phones? Carbon Dating? The Artificial Heart? The heart-lung machine?

Your welcome. Oh and how can I forget...

The Polio Vaccine, The hard disk, the integrated circuit, GPS, Birth Control, Glucose Meter.....

Heart Transplant surgery, Lung Transplant surgery, LED, LCD, Plasma displays..... The compact disk.

While we were busy NOT contributing anything to the rest of the world, we went ahead and gave the world, The smoke detector, E-Mail, The digital Camera, The Hepatitis B vaccine, The MRI Machine, Voicemail, and The Internet.

Please continue your idiotic rant against the country that gave the world all of that, it's nothing short of incredible to watch a person from a parasitic nation producing nothing but stupidity wail loud and hard about how the most inventive and generous nation in history contributes nothing. Oh...

I forgot, we also invented The motorcycle, The Automobile, and the Airplane. Hard to remember everything. But Your welcome for that also.


[edit on 27-6-2009 by aravoth]

Originally posted by jprophet420
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The planet needs to be clean global warming or not. It sucks that the price of things will increase, but the benefit is ok IMHO. Just wondering if OP contacted his/her representative and stated they did not wish this bill to pass. Everyone that didn't pretty much has no say in it.

This is not going to clean anything.... it is only going to put taxes on a gas that is actually benefitial for Earth..... How in the world is that going to clean up the Earth?.... what it will do is clean up the pockets of the regular people, and put that money on the pockets of politicians and other rich people.....

Wake the heck Up!!!!

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

If what you are saying is that the bill wont be used for what it is intended please specify that as it completely changes your comments nature.

reply to post by FlyersFan


FlyersFan, you wield the truth like a samurai wields a sword.

Thank you for cutting both Etsivä Romppainen and “Dork” the Great into silent ribbons.

P.S. What it is a “Dork?”

It’s American slang for a stupid, inept, or foolish person.

F.T.G.



[edit on 27-6-2009 by seasoul]

Originally posted by jprophet420
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

If what you are saying is that the bill wont be used for what it is intended please specify that as it completely changes your comments nature.

The bill isn't about cleaning up the climate. Do you realize this logic says that if we pay for the pollution then the Earth will be ok with it? How is that? This is a tax on CO2, therefore a tax on life itself as we are carbon based beings. I breath out CO2, just about everything I do involves CO2. This is a way for government to take control of every aspect of human life in the guise of saving the planet. It's a joke and will save nothing. You can force big companies to do this and that and whatever else. Know what happens? They pass the bill to the consumer, and that's us. You can cry about big business all you want, but know what? That's who gives you jobs. Got a 401k? Your invested in big business. They get hurt well so do you.

Wanna do something real to clean up the Earth? Take that 2 trillion an find a new energy source. The hydrogen car has been built since the 60's, along with natural gas and many other much cleaner designs. Why don't we have them yet? Why do they keep us on oil? Because they control it, and with it they control you. Bottom line it's all about control.

[edit on 27-6-2009 by Xtinguish]

Last month my electric bill was almost $250 ..I live in a freaking apartment, small one at that. I was just telling my husband we need to request an energy saving clothes dryer from the property owners, since we have to use their appliances.

So now my bill will be even higher!! We just can't afford it. I don't know what we are going to do.

Okay, I'm going FAR off topic here, but I feel the need to educate, as this is infuriating. When you are conjugating the phrase "you are", the correct spelling is "you're". When you are trying to state that I have ownership of something, the correct spelling is "your".

Examples:

"You're welcome."

"Your Legislative branch is full of irresponsible cowards."

"You're offending me by placing your genitals on my shoulder."

Do you see? DO YOU SEE?!

reply to post by '___'eviant


Amen. Far too many Americans know how to properly spell, let alone conjugate, or use contractions properly.

As for the rest of the thread, like I stated before, Government knows how to manipulate the people it is supposed to protect and serve.

We are the masters, not the Government, Government is an entity, and we can throw them out of office, but alas, American citizens are far too lazy to do it legally.

Why not start a million man e-mail, educating the masses on Government corruption?

Because, citizens are too lazy, they would rather take the easy route, and pull out their guns.

reply to post by othello


How about recalling the people in big office. I don't know the process and don't have resources otherwise I would have initiated it. As far I am concerned I am planning to leave USA even though I qualify for Social Security retirement. The hell with their social Security # and other things. I am leaving.

This was a partisan victory, you can't look at those 8 traitor Republicans and then proceed to blame the party, the Republicans voted against this in mass, all of this, everything we are seeing in this administration has been one big partisan orgy, the Democrat party has become a threat to our nation, they are on some kind of demented war path except we are their sworn enemy, they hate us and love China and Venezuala and Cuba and every stinking pile of evil govt out there but our own. whetever, they will all pay the toll at the end of the road for what they are doing.

reply to post by Xtinguish

The House-passed bill requires that large U.S. companies, including utilities, oil refiners, manufacturers and others, reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases associated with global warming by 17 percent by 2020 and 83 percent by 2050, from 2005 levels.

again so the arguement is not about the bill its about how the bill will be handled.

You cannot contribute to the UN you demand a veto in everything you demand that we do this or that for our finances which has nothing to do with you. You demand you have control of our intelligence services you demand you have military bases in our countries but we dare not demand the same thing in return.

Yup. The cabbie in NYC and the guy sellin' oranges on the freeway in L.A. were the dudes who decided all that...get a life. This generic 2002 mall-punk anti-american rhetoric is getting old...

The American government is screwing its people just as hard as they are everyone else. This bill is ludicrous.

You actually think that by making something more expensive it'll go away? Especially things that have been deemed/made "essential" like oil...As a Canadian, I have "sin taxes"...beer, smokes, gas, the prices are all going up twice a year or so...gas is 1.29 a litre in my town, smokes go upwards of 12 bucks a pack, beer is 22 bucks a dozen...do we sell less? nope. Still just as many big trucks, suvs, just as much rampant alcoholism and pretty much everyone smokes. My town is not the greatest example as we have a high per capita income...but those lower-income makers (like myself) and people on social assistance don't spend any less on beer or smokes (i work in a convenience store, small town-know pretty much everyone)...and what's more, most of them have to buy an old pickup or old beat up Crown Vic (gas guzzlers for anyone not in the know) to get their kids to school in the minus 30 average temps in January and February, thanks to this carbon-caused global warming.

Anyone who thinks the bill is actually about helping the environment is fooling themselves...as one poster said this just opens the door for massive buyouts and monopolizing by the big energy players....and further polarizes "us and them"....I hope that "We The People" isn't suddenly whited out of your constitution without notice someday because Patrick Swayze lost his courageous battle with cancer.



[edit on 6/27/2009 by WizardVanWizard]

Originally posted by Gorman91
There is no resistance because we are in a world within a world. In our dead internet we are the knowing, and they the ignorant. We must therefore export the knowing to the outside world

Originally posted by Gorman91
There is no resistance because we are in a world within a world. In our dead internet we are the knowing, and they the ignorant. We must therefore export the knowing to the outside world

Originally posted by Gorman91
We must therefore export the knowing to the outside world

This is the key!
Well said. I have nothing else to add.

Those utlity increases were supposed to be for climate change as well. They were supposed to be for finding more environmental ways to utlize the utlities. I talked to an employeee at KCPL and she said the increase is to buy more coal. Is coal environmentally sound.
I remember hearing Obama talk about using coal for utlities. Is coal clean burining? I am so confused as to what is going on in america and the world anymore. It seems like so many lie that is hard to find the truth.