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Originally posted by Reheat
The fact that you say you don't know simply indicates that you wish to remain willfully ignorant.
Originally posted by Reheat
That's fine, but don't spew your ignorant implications toward people who have sworn to defend their Country and it's Constitution, not kill or assist in the killing of that Country's innocent citizens.
Originally posted by Reheat
Desperate indeed! Considering the ignorance displayed in this thread there is nothing to be desperate about.
Originally posted by tezzajw
Reheat, can you explain how the alleged Flight AA77 hit the light poles, when in this thread, BigSarge described the plane appearing to turn?
Originally posted by BigSarge The plane WAS NOT level coming in but did not APPEAR to be banking.
Originally posted by BigSarge It was dipping slightly left and right, it was not steady, so it may very well have been turning and/or not flying in a direct path.
Originally posted by Reheat
You simply live to troll these threads, don't you.
Originally posted by Reheat
I'll say it again so you can make sure you get a quote for your archives. The E4-B was not launched and flying around for some nefarious purpose on 9-11. Although I don't know exactly that purpose it was for legitimate reasons.
Originally posted by Reheat
Originally posted by BigSarge It was dipping slightly left and right, it was not steady, so it may very well have been turning and/or not flying in a direct path.
A large transport category aircraft that is "dipping" it's wings left and right will not be turning very much if at all.
What he described would be indicative of an inexperienced pilot fighting with the controls.
Originally posted by SPreston
This is the first documentary that focuses solely on the Pentagon that is presented in such a way that should wakeup a lot of people after viewing.
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1. If Flight 77 did not hit the building what happened to its passengers and crew?
2. Why does it matter which side of the gas station the plane flew on? Couldn’t the plane have flown on the north side of the gas station and still hit the building?
3. What about all of the eyewitnesses cited in various media reports as having seen the plane hit the Pentagon? Aren't there hundreds of them?
4. Weren't there photographs of plane parts taken inside and outside of the Pentagon on 9/11 and shortly thereafter? If so, don't these photographs prove that Flight 77 hit the building?
5. Didn't the government match DNA found in the Pentagon to the passengers of Flight 77? Why isn't this valid evidence proving that it hit the building?
6. Since the plane did not hit the light poles do you think that they were somehow knocked down in real-time as the plane passed by? Maybe with explosives, or by the vortex of the plane or a missile or something?
7. How could the light poles and taxi cab scene have been staged in broad daylight?
8. Doesn't the Pentagon security gate camera video that the government released show something hitting the building?
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Originally posted by Mookie89
Like I said, I am a serious believer in a 9/11 cover-up and support any rational evidence that supports the cover-up that is put out there, but this video contradicted itself in that sense.
posted by Mookie89
Hold on.... I'm a true believer of a 9/11 cover-up, but why does this video say that it's impossible for a plane to have hit the building because of physics and the physical damage photographed, yet they then pull up eyewitness accounts of people seeing a plane headed toward the Pentagon on a different flight path than what the government has stated? If the people saw a plane, then that means a plane should have hit it. That seems to be a contradiction.
Like I said, I am a serious believer in a 9/11 cover-up and support any rational evidence that supports the cover-up that is put out there, but this video contradicted itself in that sense.
Originally posted by Reheat
The E4-B was not launched and flying around for some nefarious purpose on 9-11. Although I don't know exactly that purpose it was...
Level with the ground necessary to miss foundation
According to the accepted story, American Airlines Flight 77 was hijacked by five al Qaeda terrorists as it was traveling from Washington DC to Los Angeles. The aircraft involved in this hijacking was a Boeing Model 757-200 with the Boeing customer code 757-223 and the registration number N644AA. This same aircraft is pictured above in a photo taken at Logan International Airport in Boston on 7 August 2001. The terrorists steered the plane into the west side of the Pentagon killing 59 passengers and crew as well as 125 victims on the ground.
Those who doubt this version of events point to wreckage at the Pentagon as proof that some other kind of aircraft or missile was actually responsible for the attack. Probably the one piece of debris that has prompted the most debate is the following photo of what looks like a rotary disk from the interior of the plane's engine. This disk could be part of a fan, a compressor, or a turbine rotor from inside the engine, but the blades are not present and were presumably knocked off in the impact.
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Rotating engine disk visible at the Pentagon
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Close-up views of the Pentagon engine component
Based on the sizes of the person standing next to the debris and other objects in the photographs that we can use for comparison, it has been estimated that the disk is approximately 25 to 30 inches (63.5 to 76.2 cm) across. Obviously, this piece is far smaller than the maximum engine diameter of 6 feet (1.8 m) or more leading many to draw the conclusion that the item is not from a 757 engine. That conjecture causes conspiracy theorists to believe that a much smaller vehicle must have struck the Pentagon instead.
However, we have already seen that rotating components within a turbofan engine can vary widely in size. In order to determine whether this component could have possibly come from a 757, we need to take a closer look at the engine installed aboard the aircraft registered N644AA. Boeing offered two different engine options to customers of the 757-200. Airlines could choose between the Pratt & Whitney PW2000 family or the Rolls-Royce RB211 series. The particular engine model chosen by American Airlines for its 757 fleet was the RB211-535E4B triple-shaft turbofan manufactured in the United Kingdom. A drawing illustrating the overall size of this engine is pictured below.
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Diagram of the Rolls-Royce RB211-535 turbofan
Note the relative sizes of the forward portion of this engine compared to the central core. Clearly, the section housing the fan is much wider than the turbojet core that contains the compressor and turbine components. We can get a clearer view of the relative sizes of components within this engine in the following cut-away drawing of the RB211-535.
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Cut-away of the Rolls-Royce RB211-535 turbofan
Using these images and other diagrams of the RB211-535 engine, we can obtain approximate dimensions of the engine's rotary disks for comparison to the item found in the Pentagon rubble. Our best estimate is that the engine's twelve compressor disk hubs (without blades attached) are about 36% the width of the fan. The five turbine disk hubs appear to be slightly smaller at approximately 34% the fan diamter. According to Brassey's World Aircraft & Systems Directory and Jane's, the fan diameter of the RB211-535E4B engine is 74.5 inches (189.2 cm). It then follows that the compressor disk hubs are approximately 27 inches (69 cm) across while the turbine disk hubs are about 25 inches (63.5 cm) in diameter. Both of these dimensions fit within the range of values estimated for the engine component pictured in the wreckage at the Pentagon.
Originally posted by tezzajw
Originally posted by Reheat
I'll say it again so you can make sure you get a quote for your archives. The E4-B was not launched and flying around for some nefarious purpose on 9-11. Although I don't know exactly that purpose it was for legitimate reasons.
Originally posted by tezzajw
Reheat affirms his contradiction. He doesn't know why the plane was flying around, but he knows that it wasn't doing anything wrong.
Originally posted by Reheat
Originally posted by BigSarge It was dipping slightly left and right, it was not steady, so it may very well have been turning and/or not flying in a direct path.
Originally posted by Reheat
A large transport category aircraft that is "dipping" it's wings left and right will not be turning very much if at all.
Originally posted by tezzajw
Then why did BigSarge state that it may well have been turning? You weren't there to see it, Reheat, so we're both relying on the same words that BigSarge used.
Originally posted by Reheat
What he described would be indicative of an inexperienced pilot fighting with the controls.
Originally posted by tezzajw
Until BigSarge can be interviewed, on location, to describe what he saw, you're merely guessing what he was describing.
Originally posted by tezzajw
When I read BigSarge stating 'not flying in a direct path', then I wonder how the plane was able to line up the five light poles in a row and knock them all down.
Originally posted by tezzajw
I'd like to see BigSarge identified and interviewed on location. I've made no judgement calls about what he may or may not have seen.
Originally posted by Stillresearchn911
reply to post by Reheat
Reheat, All that is nice about the E4b but the fact is you can blame your superiors for creating all the hoopla and conspiracy around the E4b supposedly non nefarious flight. Even CNN picked up the story while they were still trying to figure out if it was a e4b and what it was up to(some 5 6 years later).
Originally posted by Stillresearchn911
Only when there were serious questions being raised as to if it was up there watching the attack as it happened did they come out and say it took off 5 mins after the attack. Another one of those lovely 9/11 coincidences. Makes you wonder though, they prepped that big military jet at Andrews and launched it just barely missing the attack but yet they couldn't get one little fighter off the ground to protect DC. BIG FAILURE there. I would think even you can admit it was one giant cluster *!%$.
Originally posted by Stillresearchn911
I mean think about it, according to the OS 20 some odd guys who didn't know anything about the US and all of us.
Originally posted by Stillresearchn911
They only came here to do the job, never had done anything like this before. Actually had us, their enemy, train them how to fly. These guys were able to completely thwart and defeat our entire military, the entire system from A to B. According to the OS at least.
Originally posted by Stillresearchn911
I'm watching the OP's video and it appears that f77 never lost a visual of the building.
Originally posted by Stillresearchn911
Was this the case? I was always under the impression that before coming to say the Navy Annex that he was hugging the ground close enough that he might not have seen the building till he came to the annex.
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Two photographs
(figures 3.3 and 3.7), when compared, seem to show that the top of the fuselage of the aircraft was no more than approximately 20 ft above the ground when the first photograph of this series was taken.
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The Boeing 757 approached the west wall of the Pentagon from
the southwest at approximately 780 ft/s. As it approached the Pentagon
site it was so low to the ground that it reportedly clipped an
antenna on a vehicle on an adjacent road and severed light posts.
When it was approximately 320 ft from the west wall of the building
(0.42 second before impact), it was flying nearly level, only a
few feet above the ground (figures 3.2 and 3.13, the latter an aerial
photograph modified graphically to show the approaching aircraft).
The aircraft flew over the grassy area next to the Pentagon
until its right wing struck a piece of construction equipment that
was approximately 100 to 110 ft from the face of the building (0.10
second before impact (figure 3.14). At that time the aircraft had
rolled slightly to the left, its right wing elevated. After the plane had
traveled approximately another 75 ft, the left engine struck the ground at nearly the same instant that the nose of the aircraft
struck the west wall of the Pentagon (figure 3.15). Impact of the
fuselage was at column line 14, at or slightly below the second floor
slab.The left wing passed below the second-floor slab, and
the right wing crossed at a shallow angle from below the secondfloor
slab to above the second-floor slab (figure 3.16)
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I don't know if he could see the building the entire way or not. However, he obviously could see it when he rolled out of the big turn to lose altitude. All he had to do was maintain a heading and considering the light winds he would be pretty close.
Here you can see where the fuel tank bulge hangs below the 757 fuselage.
I did not make that drawing above; I just used it as a reference to show the alleged relationship of the official position...
Originally posted by Mookie89
Hold on.... I'm a true believer of a 9/11 cover-up, but why does this video say that it's impossible for a plane to have hit the building because of physics and the physical damage photographed, yet they then pull up eyewitness accounts of people seeing a plane headed toward the Pentagon on a different flight path than what the government has stated? If the people saw a plane, then that means a plane should have hit it. That seems to be a contradiction.
Like I said, I am a serious believer in a 9/11 cover-up and support any rational evidence that supports the cover-up that is put out there, but this video contradicted itself in that sense.