Off-duty officer shoots 2 in lot after Angels game

Originally posted by Nutter

Originally posted by Kevin_X2
or are you forgetting... these were criminals? the cop may have been commiting a crime, but who was out to get who, and who was having a day at the ballpark with their family?

So, you were there and witnessed the whole thing?

lol. So, your saying that this off duty cop was out with his family to shoot people? probably the baddest-assed family gang iv ever heard of.

seriously... what are you thinking? What other perspective is there? he was ATTACKED and DEFENDED himself. you have as much information as i do, but all you see is "cop ------ shot two men in the parking lot ----- baseball game -------- unlawful time to carry a weapon." daym, yer right. i just wasnt reading the facts!

I bet those 2 monkeys will think twice before throwing bottles again. I don't carry a gun, but I am normally armed. If someone tries to annoy me or my family to the point where they may cause bodily harm, I will try to kill them until they flee. If they flee, I won't pursue and murder them. But for every second they are agressive, I will be focused on their demise.

Glad this guy had a gun on him

The first step in avoiding hurting the monkeys (by monkey, I mean almost human, no racial undertones there) is to train the monkeys not to make trouble.

Verbal taunting, sure, monkeys need to do that so the rest of their species will welcome them. Verbal taunting should be ignored. But once an object gets thrown...any man worth his salt would switch into protection mode to silence the threat before a second bottle flies and hits his family.

Well i wouldn't have fired a gun that's for sure.

There are a dozen alternatives, if you can't think of any, then that's a reflection of your own morality.

Shooting people is NOT the answer to everything. Grow up and quit acting like life is a cowboy movie.
People do NOT deserve to die just because they made a mistake.

Couldn't he have contacted security? Got in his car? Asked for assistance from any one of the thousands of other fans? Walked away?

Taken a photo of the offenders and later reported it to the police?

He could have just flashed his badge and said 'unlucky mate, you're under arrest'.

Originally posted by Kevin_X2
seriously... what are you thinking? What other perspective is there?

It could have gone down the way you think, but it also could have gone down another way.

Did the cop say anything to the attackers before it happened?

Was the cop drinking? Were the attackers?

Why did they attack him to begin with?

See what I mean?

but all you see is "cop ------ shot two men in the parking lot ----- baseball game -------- unlawful time to carry a weapon." daym, yer right. i just wasnt reading the facts!

No, what I see is "man shoots 2 other men and gets away with it because he is a cop, but don't try this at home if you're not an LEO". That's more like it.


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Question to all:

Would these fans have the right to shoot this man?

Rangers coach Tortorella loses cool, throws bottle into crowd

www.usatoday.com...

How about this man?

Jets player throws snow at Seahawks fans

blogs.king5.com...

I know it's snow, but a snowball can kill also.

According to most of you, these men needed to be shot.

rushed by 2 men with blunt objects and witnesses to testify.

"oh, here they come, il take out my camera phone, yould you say cheese? i need a good shot. now, hold on wile i call the police.... oh, theyl be a few hours. but you can kill me wile your at it. Its ok, people get atttacked randomly at these games all the time, i was almost expecting it. Il need to write a report... oh, thats ok, you can have my kids, il just put that in the report. Dont wory about my wife, shes a clod, go ahead and kill her. *takes out gun and scratches balls* what a good night at the ballpark!"

I would love to see how long you have to think about all these things with two men standing meters away from you and swiftly approaching wielding weapons. yeah, you would run your ass off, are you forgetting your kids?

yeah, mabey this atricle is complete bull#. but, you know, mabey we can trust a news story here and there? One with credible sources and two living people with bullet wounds to back that up? nah, police are involved. they are scum!

rolls eyes

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so your comparing frustrated players in mid-game whose carrers are at stake and who pose no physical threat.... to a man being rushed by two people with blunt objects in a parking lot along with his family?

i dont think i need to say anything here

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Thankyou, glad i'm not alone with the gun nuts on this thread. Glad somebody can see sense here and i'm not just surrounded by violent freaks.

Life is precious. Okay the men may have been in the wrong, but for a man to open fire at them just defies logic.

He could have hit anybody....

I'd love to see how one american could survive a night out in manchester or liverpool for just one night, when boisterous people are abound.

They wouldn't last ten seconds....

get between a mother and her cub and shell rip your face off in one swoop. That is a much more realistic comparison here.

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You're talking to me as though i've never been involved in any sort of violent conflict.

Get a grip.... I've survived far worse things than that and i'm here aren't i?

The copper is a professional (or at least should be), so he should be able to deal with things better than i could, and yet he's the one popping shots off like no tomorrow.

Originally posted by Kevin_X2
"oh, here they come, il take out my camera phone, yould you say cheese? i need a good shot. now, hold on wile i call the police.... oh, theyl be a few hours. but you can kill me wile your at it. Its ok, people get atttacked randomly at these games all the time, i was almost expecting it. Il need to write a report... oh, thats ok, you can have my kids, il just put that in the report. Dont wory about my wife, shes a clod, go ahead and kill her. *takes out gun and scratches balls* what a good night at the ballpark!"

Bolded by me.

And do these other people who are not LEO have the right to shoot their attackers? No, they don't. Only if you are LEO do you have that right.

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They'd probably get stabbed to death by some drunk teenager angry about a soccer game.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by Nutter

 

Thankyou, glad i'm not alone with the gun nuts on this thread. Glad somebody can see sense here and i'm not just surrounded by violent freaks.

Life is precious. Okay the men may have been in the wrong, but for a man to open fire at them just defies logic.

He could have hit anybody....

I'd love to see how one american could survive a night out in manchester or liverpool for just one night, when boisterous people are abound.

They wouldn't last ten seconds....

without a gun that is! yes, we have "boistorous" fellows on our great landmass as well. its a damn good thing someones weeding their genes out of the perverbial pool.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

They'd probably get stabbed to death by some drunk teenager angry about a soccer game.

A slight exaggeration, but i appreciate the humour. Very droll. You get a star.

But seriously, if this man can't deal with two drunk guys, then he shouldn't be on the force.

Simple as that.

Originally posted by Kevin_X2
reply to post by Nutter

 

so your comparing frustrated players in mid-game whose carrers are at stake and who pose no physical threat.... to a man being rushed by two people with blunt objects in a parking lot along with his family?

i dont think i need to say anything here

So, throwing a bottle or snow at fans isn't attacking them and their families?

And here, I was under the impression that the cop had something thrown at his head.

I didn't read where they were brandishing weapons and attacking his family with them.

But, I guess people read what they want to.

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because their not armed? their not officers? their not trained to shoot when in a desperate crunch? im not sure thats a valid argument. this officer had the option to take his gun along, and im glad for his children that he did.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
He could have hit anybody....

Who's to say he didn't?

One thing was thrown, two men are shot. Seems to me the math just doesn't add up.

Edit: From the article.

"We heard three shots and turned around and I thought, 'Those are gun shots,'" Cordova told KNX radio. "One of the guys I was with said 'No, it's not' but then we heard sirens."

Three shots were fired.

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no, your right. he had a bottle smashed into his head. Was rushed, choked, told to move so they could attack him easier...

The officer called a dispatcher at his department and asked for help, saying two men had choked him and asked him to get away from his car, Sgt. Rick Martinez said.

OH LOOK! he called the cops! quelle grand suprise!

and this bottle, in question, may have been a water bottle? and even if it wasnt, it was on national television....

just because your an officer doesnt mean your superman. i know mr-lizard is always fighting thugs and hes the bees knees, but not everyones as cool as london-boy

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[edit on 25-6-2009 by Kevin_X2]

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I'm a pacifist, i don't like violence, but it doesn't mean i can't look after myself.

Basic training and martial arts have given me the confidence to deal with situations.

I live in a town that can be quite violent at times, but it doesn't mean i like to get caught up in trouble.

This is not about me. This is about a man shooting other men.

Oh and i'm not from London....

[edit on 25-6-2009 by mr-lizard]

Originally posted by Kevin_X2
no, your right. he had a bottle smashed into his head. Was rushed, choked, told to move so they could attack him easier...

The officer called a dispatcher at his department and asked for help, saying two men had choked him and asked him to get away from his car, Sgt. Rick Martinez said.

No, you're wrong. Read it again. He was chocked and asked to step away from his car. Not, bottle mashed, rushed, chocked etc. The bottle was thrown AFTER he had called for backup.

Another thing. If he was in such dire straights and his family was being attacked, how did he have time to call for backup?

OH LOOK! he called the cops BEFORE the shooting. quelle grand suprise!

Exactly. He had enough time to call for backup, but you still say his family was in dire need of the attackers to be shot?