2012 calender could have ended for a VERY simple reason...

Could the 2012 CALENDAR have ended for a very simple reason?
I no doubt in my mind, believe that 2012 is going to make the biggest impact on human lives, either negative or positive, that we ever have faced.
But could it have been on such a basic reason?

We are going to enter the center of our Universe in 2012...now whatever this has in store for us, spiritually,economically, religiously etc...perhaps the ORIGINAL reason why it stopped could have been that...quite honestly they didnt know?

I will give the links etc. after i post this...but we are entering the center of our universe...after 2012, we will be on the OTHER side of the universe, slowly revolving around...
how could the mayans EVER charted the stars...IF...the stars are on a different location all the sudden?

say you look up to the north star...what IF the north star all the sudden started moving TOWARDS THE SOUTH? quite obviously you cant predict anything, until the variable changes.
Hense there CALENDAR had to come to an end.

the simple answer to an algebraic question?
your thoughts?

Mod Edit: Removed all caps title.

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have any reason for this claim?


and personally the end will come after the elections that year and Great Lord Cthulhu is announced the next resident of the united states. he will rise from his watery slumber and begin his reign of terror. Be warned ATS.

honestly i think its all crap and senseless

Makes more sense to me than most of the theories out there. By "we", do you mean Earth is moving to the center? Or by "we" do you mean our whole solar system? I'm assuming it's the latter, but thought I'd better ask and be sure. I can't recall hearing/reading about the solar system going through the center of the universe, which means I probably did and just forgot about it. I'll have to give your links a read through once you post them.

My thought has always been that they ended their calender where they did for the same reason my calender stops after December 31st. Everything after that is a repeat from the beginning of the calender you already have.

The calendar doesn't "end", it works in cycles. It is the "end" of the current cycle, which is like 26k years or something, but it repeats. Just like the end of the month or year.

From my understanding, we're passing to the other side of the galactic plane. I haven't researched this though in years so who knows.


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Not that I pay much attention to the 2012 / Planet X stuff. Correct me if I am wrong, but we are NOT crossing the center of the Universe, I doubt we even know precisely where that is. If memory serves me right we will crossing the center plane of the Milky Way (Galactic Equator). That's not even close to core of the Milky Way.

Anyhow what's on the other side of the Milky Way, nothing out of the ordinary. IMO, it's so overworked without any real science backing it up, right up there with the time all the planets in the solar system lined up. There were supposed to be terrible floods, tides ect.

You are amazingly ,I believe bang on with your estimation of the reason the calander ends.The stars were used to chart time and if you imagine the earth passing across the center of the universe its easy to visualise that all of the stars used to chart time or the calander would have essentially RUN OUT OR IF THIS HAD BEEN LIKE A SCENE IN A MOVIE THEN ALL OF THE STARS USED AS REFERENCE POINTS WOULD HAVE PASSED ACROSS THE SCREEN ,AS IF IT WERE THE END OF THE MOVIE,BUT BEFORE THE END COULD COME ANOTHER COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF STARS APPEARED TO START ANOTHER MOVIE.

You are hopefully going to keep this thread going to let people know.

Good job.

Why havent I heard of this before?

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Correct me if I am wrong, but we are NOT crossing the center of the Universe...

That is correct.

...I doubt we even know precisely where that is.

That is also a fair and true statement. Because, there is no 'center', as used in this context.

If memory serves me right we will crossing the center plane of the Milky Way (Galactic Equator).

Your memory may have filed that little nugget away from hearing it somewhere, but the concept is grossly in error.

I'm tired, it's late...but research, and ye shall find...

BTW...let's remember, please, terminology? 'Universe' is everything. 'Galaxy' is our little piece of it.

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your thoughts?

My thoughts are, this is would be a pretty-sounding fantasy if it didn't have the "Another End of the World" aspects attached.

This 'theory' (and that is giving it way too much credit) has no, nada, zilch, zero basis in fact.

The entire Solar System has been orbiting with the rest of our Galaxy as it swirls around...it takes between 220 and 250 million years for your System to complete one 'cycle' around. Since the Earth and Sun are more than four Billion years old, and still rolling merrily along...well, you can do the math. I'm going to bed.

Hi, I have just watched "2012: Science or Superstition" which has a few well know researchers interviewed on it. There are similarities between what the OP is suggesting and the theories presented in the video. It speaks of various cultures including course the Mayans, and how they charted time and cycles using positions of stars, sun, earth etc.
I have to agree that 2012 is merely denoting the end of a cycle, but I don't think that on a particular pre set date that everything will suddenly change. I believe that the change is already happening as it does perpetually.
We will never know whether similarities exist between now and the end of the last 26K year cycle, so why worry about it? After all, the world we live in is based on our perception of it, and if we want a better perception we have to change it ourselves, not pin our hopes on governments or those who we think have more power or money than us. We can't change natural cycles so we must learn to accept them and try to survive any situation which may be challenging the best we can.

I believe its an assumption that the Mayan Calendar has an end date of 2012.

We have libraries, inside we have books, inside we have information.

If you have too much information to fit into one book, we make a second, forming volume Two.

Perhaps the Mayans found another way of recording their information some way else. Since this cycle ends in 2012, so does the book. Another begins.

We just havnt found volume two....yet.

to be honest, it was a theory...yes there based on facts, and they can easily be found.


Sorry i didnt really want to re-search, due to the fact i was a bit busy at the time. I'll post another reply tomorrow.

Our solary system is coming to WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO THINK, the center of the Universe (our universe)

I'll show the data in my next message (sorry for the delay im sure its aggravating)

From what i have read, and researched (spent the past 6 months researching 2012), what we believe to be the center of the universe, we will be allighing with soon. (2012)


-Weedwhacker

"My thoughts are, this is would be a pretty-sounding fantasy if it didn't have the "Another End of the World" aspects attached. "

never did i say it was end of the world scenario, it was your personal fantasies that filled that position. I simply said perhaps this is why the ancients weren't able to CONTINUE the calendar, because they wouldn't know where the starts would move to.

-Pavil

Not that I pay much attention to the 2012 / Planet X stuff. Correct me if I am wrong, but we are NOT crossing the center of the Universe, I doubt we even know precisely where that is.

no one said you needed to know about crazy 2012 scenarios, this falls more into science, rather than 2012 theories (correct me if im wrong?)

we chart science from the point of start....we thought we revolved around the sun and we didn't...but we did the best that we could at the current knowledge we had.
I believe that's called science is it not?

-ghaleon12
The calendar doesn't "end", it works in cycles. It is the "end" of the current cycle, which is like 26k years or something, but it repeats. Just like the end of the month or year.

From my understanding, we're passing to the other side of the galactic plane. I haven't researched this though in years so who knows.

yes the Mayans had many calendars, from what i can remember 2012 calendar was the "sun calendar" (correct me if im wrong please)

all im simply saying is that, perhaps there was a very obvious answer to this big question. We humans seem to over complicate things in our life, and forget to see the most obvious answer.

From what i researched it added up. What we knew about space 10 years ago, has drastically changed with time. Maybe thigns will change and we'll "really know" what the answer is. But till then all i thought was perhaps this could be one of the answers, to the complex question.

Originally posted by scubagravy
I believe its an assumption that the Mayan Calendar has an end date of 2012.

We have libraries, inside we have books, inside we have information.

If you have too much information to fit into one book, we make a second, forming volume Two.

Perhaps the Mayans found another way of recording their information some way else. Since this cycle ends in 2012, so does the book. Another begins.

We just havnt found volume two....yet.

i really doubt they were going to be able to make a calendar that went to infinity lol
im sure they thought 2012 was a good place to stop.
would you really cut a calendar to a huge mountain to keep going and going going...
probably not

Originally posted by zenius
Hi, I have just watched "2012: Science or Superstition" which has a few well know researchers interviewed on it. There are similarities between what the OP is suggesting and the theories presented in the video. It speaks of various cultures including course the Mayans, and how they charted time and cycles using positions of stars, sun, earth etc.
I have to agree that 2012 is merely denoting the end of a cycle, but I don't think that on a particular pre set date that everything will suddenly change. I believe that the change is already happening as it does perpetually.
We will never know whether similarities exist between now and the end of the last 26K year cycle, so why worry about it? After all, the world we live in is based on our perception of it, and if we want a better perception we have to change it ourselves, not pin our hopes on governments or those who we think have more power or money than us. We can't change natural cycles so we must learn to accept them and try to survive any situation which may be challenging the best we can.

anywhere you can check this out?
i do think this is going to play a BIG PART in our gravity and polar shift. Once again i know thats jumping to a lot of conclusions...i've done the research but the one that makes me think the most is present day.
i went downstairs to grab a drink listened to the news and back to back to back was weather anomalies occurring in the US

California has seen a RECORD breaking earthquakes in such a short time.
we just had ANOTHER one yesterday, all near the San Andres fault.
our state is HURTING BIG for money, yet we forked out cash to buy this high tech airplane that is going to fly over the San Andreas Fault (big earthquake fault) to "supposedly see if anything will happen in the next thousand years"
obviously something is occurring.
the middle states to new york are seeing a RECORD breaking tornado, flooding, storms...they said its the RAINIEST weather EVER recorded in june for half the country.
Gray whales were washing up on beaches.
one gray whale just stayed in a small section of our beaches
(that doesn't happen to often)
its 100 one day, and raining the next day where i live (loci angeles) this is just within this past week, and i know things are going around in the country.
definitely something is happening far beyond our comprhension

What our solar system is crossing is the plane of our galaxy, not the universe. That's a fairly 'fuzzy' area IE not sharply defined and is simply an imaginary disc with pretty much 50% of our galaxy on either side of it, the 'galactic equator'.

I don't have the actual data on hand but, from memory, it takes about 30 of our years to pass to what can be clearly defined as being on the other side of that equator. The crossing started in the mid 1980s so we're now past the mid point and no calamities as yet.

The north star 'Polaris' will remain exactly where it is (roughly in line with the earth's axis) as will all the other stars maintain their relative positions unless the earth's axis is suddenly shifted which is highly unlikely. We poor southern hemisphere people don't have a 'south star' as there's nothing notable in the south celestial pole area of the sky making stellar navigation more of a challenge down here. We have to use a little stellar trigonometry based on the position of the southern cross and the pointers to find true south at night.

Originally posted by Pilgrum
What our solar system is crossing is the plane of our galaxy, not the universe. That's a fairly 'fuzzy' area IE not sharply defined and is simply an imaginary disc with pretty much 50% of our galaxy on either side of it, the 'galactic equator'.

I don't have the actual data on hand but, from memory, it takes about 30 of our years to pass to what can be clearly defined as being on the other side of that equator. The crossing started in the mid 1980s so we're now past the mid point and no calamities as yet.

The north star 'Polaris' will remain exactly where it is (roughly in line with the earth's axis) as will all the other stars maintain their relative positions unless the earth's axis is suddenly shifted which is highly unlikely. We poor southern hemisphere people don't have a 'south star' as there's nothing notable in the south celestial pole area of the sky making stellar navigation more of a challenge down here. We have to use a little stellar trigonometry based on the position of the southern cross and the pointers to find true south at night.

yea the north star was just an example for people to understand. But yea i get what your saying...was just a theory, i would be able to chart things if they moved lol

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I don't know where you could check the movie out. A friend downloaded it from one of those usenext sites thinking it was the new movie and gave it to me when he realised it wasn't. It's about 3gig so too big to upload.

I think the OP is confusing universe with galaxy.

It is my understanding that in the centre of every galaxy there is a black hole (supermassive or just massive) so if we were to venture beyond the event horrison we would surely be sucked in and destroyed.

I don't think we are anywhere near the centre of our galaxy (on the contrary we are near the edge) but in fact Earth and the sun will be directly alligned with the centre of the galaxy on or around 2012.

We as a planet couldn't be at the centre of the universe but as a galaxy we could. That is assuming there is a centre to the universe as no one knows for sure. People only assume there is a centre as all of the galaxies seems to be revolving around something much like the earth revolves around the sun.

My 2 cents.

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I just found a site where you can watch 2012: science or superstition

www.esoterictube.com...

this site also has a write up on what it's about. It's a good doc for an overview. Enjoy

Originally posted by Jenna
Makes more sense to me than most of the theories out there.

I agree.

Quite a refreshing, logical and sensible aproach to the 2012 subject.

Star and flag for thinking outside the box, I will be back to follow what others make of it.

Regards S_G

i dont think there is such a date known for such an event but we have to keep in mind that something already wiped out the dinosaurs from the planet..so events like this happened and history repeats itself..Lets hope science this time will prevail and save the planet.