Wanna know obama's agenda? read this

Wanna know obama's agenda? read this

there are alot of threads asking about obama. to truley understand him you must look to his education not just in schools but in life this is scary stuff and it's happening as I type this.So people please get your head out of the sand www.tcunation.com...

He is trying to build a, to be nice about it, a socialist infrastructure on top of the constitution, then dissolve America into a global governance.

The problem I see with this is that, nothing short of a revolution is going to be able to achieve the ultimate goal. He is probably looking at Iran now and seeing how tough of a goal that actually is going to be, seeing how the Iranians are doing a really good job of putting pressure on the regime, and they don't have guns. The American people have guns.

I see what he is trying to do, but the "crisis strategy" is just another, sounds good on paper without the human element involved. People pay attention to numbers and the numbers required to pull this off are huge.

One thing I've noticed about the "progressive" agenda is that it requires very, very, stupid populous and for us to be living in a Utopian fantasy world. They always leave out the negatives that could go wrong and only focus on the positives, because if they focused on the negatives they would reach an outcome that makes the strategy look horrible.

I can't believe no one is interested in this?

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We are my friend, just look at all the threads exposing him for what he is, just another puppet for those that government our nation behind the presidential seat.

Don't feel bad because people are not posting in this particular thread as we have been inundated with the Iran protest propaganda.

Hastobemoretolife, you phrase his plan in a way that sheds a good light on it. Are you suggesting that if the plan to dissolve into global governance fails, then plan B is to do it revolution-style?

Originally posted by genius/idoit
I can't believe no one is interested in this?

Could be because the webmaster of the link you provided is conducting maintenance: "We apologize for the inconvenience, but The Conservative Underground is currently undergoing maintenance."

I wanted to view your link, but couldn't.
But I snf it anyway :-)

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Hastobemoretolife, you phrase his plan in a way that sheds a good light on it. Are you suggesting that if the plan to dissolve into global governance fails, then plan B is to do it revolution-style?

Nope, I'm saying the only way his plan will ever be phased in is through a revolution. When Marx wrote his theory of socialism, and latter collaborated with I for get who the guys name is, to write the Communist Manifesto, they were both white papers, they have never been tried, it was new and revolutionary thinking at the time. They also left out the human factor in much of their theory, they assumed that everybody at the core is the same mentally, i.e. as long as people have enough to be comfortable then everybody would be happy, and people would stand up against wrong doing.

But even they knew that communism would not be able to come into effect without a violent revolution. Now when you look at real world examples of Marx's ideas you see that it doesn't work. You still have the haves and have-nots in socialism as is the same with Communism, the only difference between the two is the Communist countries are dictatorships, hence, why we call NK and China Communist, and Europe Semi-Socialist.

Now Cloward and Piven were both radical Marxist professors, they wanted a Marxist America, like true blue bleeding hearts, didn't want the revolution. So they came up with the Cloward-Piven Strategy. They figure through crisis after crisis after crisis a new Marxist government could rise up from the collapse of the American government and constitution.

So as you can see their thinking was flawed right from the beginning. If the government collapses in this country it will be seen as opportunity to scale the government back and restore the constitution, not replace the constitution with a Marxist World Order.

The reason for that is because they don't/didn't live in reality, and that reality is that people like their freedom and don't want to be told what to do. This country is overwhelmingly freedom oriented. Not only that but the people that want freedom have just about all the guns.

So what do you think is going to happen the day Obama gets up there and tries to tell the American people that America now answers to a World Government? Revolution. That is why Obama looks so "out of it" here lately, he sees the situation in Iran and sees that even though more democrats support him since he first entered office the independents turning on him is seeing his job approval drop. Which means there are more people against what he is trying to do than what he thought. He knows his polls numbers are going to keep dropping, 92% of democrats support him. He sees that he is grossly out numbered.

The only new structure of government America will ever have is what the founding fathers intended. After seeing his numbers in the polls drop and the situation in Iran, he is coming to the grim reality, for him at least, that he is actually living in a nightmare where the only outcome is revolution.

The whole intent and goal of all of this is to crash free-market capitalism, because they hate it. The problem is that free-market capitalism is pretty much programmed into human nature, because we all are individuals.

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The new "voting rights" coalition combines mass voter registration drives -- typically featuring high levels of fraud -- with systematic intimidation of election officials in the form of frivolous lawsuits, unfounded charges of "racism" and "disenfranchisement," and "direct action" (street protests, violent or otherwise). Just as they swamped America's welfare offices in the 1960s, Cloward-Piven devotees now seek to overwhelm the nation's understaffed and poorly policed electoral system. Their tactics set the stage for the Florida recount crisis of 2000, and have introduced a level of fear, tension and foreboding to U.S. elections heretofore encountered mainly in Third World countries.

I love how this guy put 'voter rights' in quotes, as if it's a trivial matter. The fact is that disenfranchisement and racism are real problems at the polls in certain places.

This guy is saying that ACORN is trying to gum up the voting system by registering people to vote. The system is already gummed up and it's not the fault of the people who want to vote, but rather the people who don't want them to.

BOOHOO! republicans are getting beat at the polls by liberal democrats, and it's because they're doing a better job of getting out the vote after years of a disastrous republican reign. I'd like to see evidence of this 'systematic intimidation of election officials'!

Anywhoo, one could argue that the big spending Republican years could be the implementation of their own version of a Cloward-Piven strategy to bankrupt the government, thereby justifying the privatisation of America's infrastructure which would deal a death blow to world socialism once and for all!

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Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
He is trying to build a, to be nice about it, a socialist infrastructure on top of the constitution, then dissolve America into a global governance.

Do you think he'll keep the Constitution? I believe he's building a socialist infrastructure which he'll hand over to a global governance ... WITHOUT our Constitution.

One thing I've noticed about the "progressive" agenda is that it requires very, very, stupid populous and for us to be living in a Utopian fantasy world.

Yep. And look at the last election. The populous was very stupid.
Either that or drunk on koolaid.

so the president is planning to bring down the system by registering people to vote? registering poor people to vote? no, no, getting poor people to vote? i'm not really following here?

what exactly is being proposed in the article. to me it looks like the writer is blaming the kid for pointing out the emperors lack of clothes. a kind of "if no-one highlights the flaws they won't exist" type argument.

He's not going to socialize the country -- that's absolutely delusional.

He works for the same private capitalists that Bush worked for. That's not going to change, and the corporatetocracy isn't going to cede its power anytime soon.

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He's not going to socialize the country -- that's absolutely delusional.

I think you must be delusional he already has

so⋅cial⋅ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA –noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. 2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory. 3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

from dictionary . com

Im sorry no matter how socialistic US become i dont think the rest of us in this world want you to be in our one world government. Tough luck, but you have handled it well alone so far so maybe US will make it alone the next decades to come.

Best regards.

Loke.:.

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Yep. And look at the last election. The populous was very stupid.
Either that or drunk on koolaid.

Most were drunk off the kool-aid. Lots of people are waking up and seeing him for what he is now. Also you have to remember there were more young people and black people that came out to vote this election than any other one. There were a lot of religious voters that didn't vote. There weren't that many more people that voted compared to previous presidential elections.

It's about what I heard Carter's election was like, bunch of young people came out to vote and after 4 years said young people didn't vote for a long time because of how bad of a job he did.

And he would dissolve the constitution. It would go bye bye. Remember he thinks the Constitution is "fundamentally" flawed.

I'm not reading all of whatever is in that article (because I'm at work and can't surf the web for long amounts of time) but from reading some of the responses in this thread I get the idea that part of the reason some of you don't like obama is because he is black (well half black). I don't like Obama AT ALL either, but some of you need to grow up and get over your petty racism. I personally don't see any diff between obama and george bush or all the other idiot presidents we have had for the past 50 years (admitedly I'm not that into politics and I'm only in my 20s, but I've heard stories from my parents and grandparents about past presidents, and have read quite a bit), all of them have sucked. The world is just so messed up right now and we are in such hard times that people are giving Obama a harder time. And once again I don't support Obama at all, this is just my view on the subject (atleast for now until I read the article).

A lot of you same people with seething hatred for Obama I bet didn't complain this much about Bush, and atleast up to this point bush was much worst than Obama.

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As stated in the article: "may be ..." but I am leaning more toward "may be not ...".

I just do not see the motive behind it. Also, to make a thread stating this is his actual plan you should have some sort of proof to back up your claim. At least, more than a link to an article that suggests he might be doing this.

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This strategy seems really bang on to what's happening in the world today. Pretty messed.

In Theory... if we could get it right a one world civilization is not so bad.

The transition from a Type 0 Civilization to a Type 1 civilization is part of this. I believe that what's happening now is for all the wrong reasons but if we could just figure out how to get along and how not to rule and control with money and power this transition could be an amazing thing.

However, this change is a dangerous one and we either make it ...or we blow ourselves up. If we don't get our act together soon I fear it will definitely be the latter.


It's really hard to say at this point. I think one thing we can definitely agree on is that things are starting to heat up fast. The changes just keep coming faster and faster.

Originally posted by pieman
so the president is planning to bring down the system by registering people to vote? registering poor people to vote? no, no, getting poor people to vote? i'm not really following here?

No, no, no, no. By registering DEAD people to vote. And cartoon characters. And felons. And one person in several places. You know, VOTER FRAUD.

Why is that so difficult to comprehend? I have a 14 year old that could give you lectures on it.

edit to remove mean spirited post and to say I am so sick of being called a racist just because I don't like obama

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edit wrong thread

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