Give Obama a break!

Originally posted by tatersalad
cya around. just curious why a creature of your stature would lower yourself to a insect?

Sadly, I had to lower my grandiose stature in order to exchange barbs with the likes of you and your clan. Or is it klan?

Thanks, I will be forewarned before our next encounter. Hope to catch you when you return from your ego trip. Your bus to Sillyville is just now pulling into the station.
Glad to see you packed light in the logic department.

Originally posted by tatersalad
...i see that you have not one thing but your pride and dignity...

Shucks you make this easy, wouldn't pride AND dignity be two things?

Regards...Kinda Kurious

Edited to curb sarcasm



[edit on 23-6-2009 by kinda kurious]

Originally posted by PieKeeper
People really have no reason to complain. It was either Obama as President, or John McCain dying in office and Sarah Palin taking over.

I think the choice was an obvious one.

True haha.

But that is a problem - the choice between the lesser evil of Obama, and the extreme evil of Palin.

Originally posted by mellisamouse


Send him some positive energy for crying out loud...

Oh but i do.

I may be in West Europe, but i am very pro-advocate of President Obamas' administration.

I was flamed by some narrowband idiot when i dared say i think he's a great man.

But being very globalist in my most fundamental philosophies as much as also socialist.

It is very much my business, as too, every comrade in England and nations of Europe.

A great man in my view, more power to him and he's got all the positive energy spare.

I don't like what some are doing to our Prime Minister either.

Some will always forget leaders are people with feelings as well.

Socialist leaders are trying their best for the common good of the many, they are not an enemy and all people do is shift everything into a confused conspiracy encompassing every political spectra and all politicians.

Things do need to change, we all need to be more content with less, materialist egocentrism is pernicious dangerous to society and personally.

Socialists are the good guys, next will be a Tory government elected by an electorate giving into assurance of fast improvement over long term stability in England giving the same negative elements of the Bush regime a power base here, creating an economic upsurge which only defers the current status quo and leading the global economy into a worse problem in 5-10 years or so, factoring.

I hope England doesn't sleepwalk into a right wing control in the global government, i really do.

As for all the negative energy!

Look at how people like me and native Shaman view t and what it can do to collective conscience and even the energy of our planet when it rises in populations of millions into billions.

People should try and be more positive in general, i know it can be hard but people get trenched in to negative output, we need to wake up.

President Obama is a good man, of that i could not be more sure.

Paxus.

Originally posted by contemplator
The haters will hate regardless of the outcome. Lets see some of them go bankrupt fighting health care problems and still claim universal care is 'evil'. Let's see them not invest a cent in science, technology and education -where would that get us? These red state right wing freaks want to turn the entire country into a dilapidated trailer park with several key mega church nodes that control it all. The list goes on. They hate and they have ZERO answers or solutions. They 'know it all' but can't do anything other than bitch & moan about Obama. Obama moves forward with a mix of solid solutions and educated gambles.. It takes balls of steel to do it and it's success WILL NOT happen overnight.. but hey that is the right wing mentality.. instant cro-magnon man immediate gratification is all they are capable of comprehending. They are subhuman so who could expect them to 'get it'.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Kindred.

Paxus.

Some of you liberals take a very narrow view of conservatives, I personally see religion as nothing more than a tool to control the masses. Abortion? The government is not here to place morals on anything, that philosophical debate is played out because no one should try and force their morality on anyone else. Everyone has seen how apologetic he was on his middle east "tour". Sadly he ignored true history in favor of his P.C. version. Who did the U.S.M.C. cut it's teeth on? Tripoli ring any bells. You cannot negotiate with anyone without both sides being willing to compromise! Any perceived weakness will be exploited by the other side. So let me get this straight the bad united states is sorry and won't you pretty please talk with us. A leader needs to come across to others as having a back bone. Hell Obama has already broke contracts made by the banking industry for good or for ill. So how does a disregard for legally binding contracts help? Would you want to do buisness with some one who would break a contract because they didn't like it?

reply to post by mellisamouse


It appears that you have no idea of whats going on.

1.obama nationalized banks

2.obama nationalized General Motors

3.obama nationalized Health Care

And if you pay attention to whats going on then it would appear obvoius that all obama wants is control.

This is real life problems and wishing for "Superman Obama" to come and save you isn't going to work.

You can sit there and pretend that everything is going to get better or you can wake up.

You Choose.

[edit on 29-6-2009 by Alien Mind]

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Originally posted by contemplator
The haters will hate regardless of the outcome.

So very true. I admire the audacity of your confession.

Lets see some of them go bankrupt fighting health care problems and still claim universal care is 'evil'.

Don't hold your breath. Your Dear Leader will bankrupt entire country sooner.

Let's see them not invest a cent in science, technology and education -where would that get us? These red state right wing freaks want to turn the entire country into a dilapidated trailer park with several key mega church nodes that control it all. The list goes on.

With right wing freaks you still have a choice where to live. If we let left wing nuts like yourself run free - we all would have to live in a giant concentration camp.
Toilet paper rationing, anyone?

They hate and they have ZERO answers or solutions.

Exact definition of liberals. Fantasies do not count as answers or solutions.

They 'know it all' but can't do anything other than bitch & moan about Obama.

Be careful. If action comes - you are not going to like it.
You can tease a lion only for so long...

Obama moves forward with a mix of solid solutions...

Thought up on the crapper...

...and educated gambles..

With our lives.

It takes balls of steel to do it...

No, the head of wood.

...and it's success WILL NOT happen overnight.. but hey that is the right wing mentality.. instant cro-magnon man immediate gratification is all they are capable of comprehending. They are subhuman so who could expect them to 'get it'.

...monkeys throwing feces again...

Sitting here taking a break from the road on the way to Kent Washington, near the small town of Ellensburg, an absolutely stunningly beautiful place and a perfect day it would be very easy to simply agree that we should give Obama a break.

But!

He had his break, he exploited it to the fullest and he is on course to destroy our economy, and rebuild a fascist/socialist system in its place.

You can give him a break if you like, but he could care less, the people were no longer relevant to him from the moment he was elected. He pushed forward with his massive spending and reform agenda from day one.

The break we need to give him is to the unemployment lines, where he can spend hours waiting for an opportunity to claim his unemployment benefits, along with the millions that are having to do this, and millions more that will face unemployment because of his plans he has pushed through as president.

Originally posted by mellisamouse
reply to post by Grambler

 

I agree with cutting the war and weapons budget COMPLETLEY...

I truly hate to be rude here, but this is one of the most moronic statements I have ever heard. You do realize there are countries/people that want to destroy the US and what she stands for. Without our weapons technology, we are only a day or two from speaking Russian or Chinese.

reply to post by Bearack



You already have an over abundance of everything you need, use up everything first before putting more money into it.

Everyone these days has to turn up their nose at anything that isn't tomorrows technology.

If it was brand new yesterday, it will be dropped for what might come out for tomorrow....it is sensless.

I think Obamma is doing things a lot of you just can't understand, because you haven't been there.

I for example grew up dirt poor on the weekdays at my moms house, and then super rich on the weekends at my dads house.

Obamma has sense that a lot of the "middle class" which is 100000000 times better off than the rest of the world still, dosen't have.

If for example, I really need to buy a new car, I will cut out christmas presents this year and get all just christmas cards, because the car is more important than "being the hero for one day on christmas this year".... some people will rage at me because I never bought any christmas presents, (which will be forgotten about in 10 minute half the time anyways) but you won't see them complaining when they need a ride somewhere in the car I bough instead.

I hope this makes some sense.

my problem with obama is he has no backbone. maybe he doesn't have a choice, but he's definitely not delivering the change he promised.

let me give a real life example.....

It truly is my intention to keep my son and I safe from my ex.....and I have and will do everything in my power to accomplish this. It was a promise I made, HOPING I could just go in and breeze throiugh some papers and presto! Done!

things aren't that simple.

My ex does drugs, and his friends are big time drug dealers who just got let out of a few years of jailtime in the states. He knows BAD BAD people...

I never knew he did drugs, and wouldn't even be his AQUANTENCE if had known...

Anyhoo, back on track.

We sold one of our houses last year, and he took the entire 87,000 profit for himself, and then went around town bragging about how he has 87k and would love to get rid of me.....well, it wasn't "officially' putting a bounty or hit on my head, but I ended up with every druggy, cracky, and even a couple of jelouse phyco other single mothers after me. I had them attacking me in public, in front of an entire ferry line up, all over the place blah, blah, blah, I could get into it for hours, ended up in a safe house for a while...

Meanwhile we go to court. He has his mother, uncle, and 10 druggies and drunks on his side all saying whatever he wants them to.

My side, well, no one, my 2 key witnesse are still living in my house (with my ex taken up camp there) and terrified to get it worse than me, or at the least get their things thrown out on the lawn...

Were does that leave me? fighting against a whole pile of crap on my OWN.

FOR NOW only, I had setteld for split custody, but fortunatly, as I predicted, he moved out of town as soon as the case was over, as it was all just another ploy to try and controll me, not about him actually wanting to take responsibility etc....I have my son full time, just not on paper yet.

In the meantime, my ex spent the entire 87k and is loosing his grip on the people he tempted to speak against me, and they are some of them admitting they were wrong etc and now would like to go against HIM and admit the truth instead etc...

It is all a tangled mess, I have to be very careful and prudent, but eventually things should turn around and the truth should all come out, but it has been a bit by bit proccess because of saftey etc....

If I have had my life threatened and been lied about and slandered, just little me a single mom, you can imagine what kind of hoops and loops he must have to be crafting around......
Can you see my point?

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
my problem with obama is he has no backbone. maybe he doesn't have a choice, but he's definitely not delivering the change he promised.

Obama has plenty of choices, but will he exercise any of them for the good of this country? The answer, so far, seems to be no.

And with all the issues going on in the U.S. right now, isn't jetting off to Denmark to try and get the Olympics for your hometown a little like Nero fiddling while Rome burned?

For everyone asking what President Obama has done for US. Here are some FACTS without any rhetoric or propoganda from last 6-8 months he has taken office:

Promises about Economy:

Promises kept: 4
No. 15: Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners
No. 36: Expand loan programs for small businesses
No. 506: Raise the small business investment expensing limit to $250,000 through the end of 2009
No. 507: Extend unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits

In Work: 4
No. 1: Increase the capital gains and dividends taxes for higher-income taxpayers
No. 20: Make permanent the Research & Development tax credit
No. 31: Create a $60 billion bank to fund roads and bridges
No. 422: Create new financial regulations

Compromise: 1
No. 3: Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups - Compromise

Promise Broken: 2
No. 505: Create a $3,000 tax credit for companies that add jobs
No. 508: Allow penalty-free hardship withdrawals from retirement accounts in 2008 and 2009

Promises about Energy:

Promises kept: 5
No. 225: Establish an Energy Partnership for the Americas
No. 452: Weatherize 1 million homes per year
No. 458: Invest in all types of alternative energy
No. 459: Enact tax credit for consumers for plug-in hybrid cars
No. 498: Provide grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes

In-Work: 16
No. 2: Eliminate all oil and gas tax loopholes
No. 20: Make permanent the Research & Development tax credit
No. 439: Create 5 million "green" jobs
No. 442: Establish a low carbon fuel standard
No. 443: Require 10 percent renewable energy by 2012
No. 444: Require 25 percent renewable energy by 2025
No. 449: Raise fuel economy standards
No. 453: Create clean coal partnerships
No. 455: Work with UN on climate change
No. 456: Create cap and trade system with interim goals to reduce global warming
No. 462: Make buildings more energy efficient
No. 463: Require more energy-efficient appliances
No. 464: Reduce energy consumption in federal buildings
No. 465: Use revenue from cap and trade to support clean energy and environmental restoration
No. 469: Require federal fleet to be half hybrids or electrical cars
No. 476: Modernize the nation's electricity grid and use "smart grid" practices

Compromised: 1
No. 492: Phase out incandescent light bulbs

Promises Broken: 0

Stalled: 1
No. 446: Enact windfall profits tax for oil companies

Promises about Military

Promises kept: 1
No. 134: Send two additional brigades to Afghanistan

In-Works: 6
No. 126: Begin removing combat brigades from Iraq
No. 135: Increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps
No. 144: End the "Stop-Loss" program of forcing troops to stay in service beyond their expected commitments
No. 155: Review weapons programs
No. 159: Set standards for when the government should hire defense contractors
No. 161: End the abuse of supplemental budgets for war

Compromise: 0

Stalled: 1
No. 293: Call for repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy

Promises not kept: 0

Promises about Taxes

Promises kept: 4
No. 40: Extend and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch
No. 459: Enact tax credit for consumers for plug-in hybrid cars
No. 506: Raise the small business investment expensing limit to $250,000 through the end of 2009
No. 507: Extend unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits

In-Works: 10
No. 1: Increase the capital gains and dividends taxes for higher-income taxpayers
No. 2: Eliminate all oil and gas tax loopholes
No. 4: Extend child tax credits and marriage-penalty fixes
No. 20: Make permanent the Research & Development tax credit
No. 21: Require automatic enrollment in 401(k) plans
No. 22: Require automatic enrollment in IRA plans
No. 38: Repeal the Bush tax cuts for higher incomes
No. 39: Phase out exemptions and deductions for higher earners
No. 53: Give tax credits to those who need help to pay health premiums
No. 54: Create a small business tax credit to help with health premiums

Compromise: 5
No. 3: Eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups
No. 5: Expand the earned income tax credit
No. 32: Create a tax credit of $500 for workers
No. 257: Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit to offset college costs
No. 515: No family making less than $250,000 will see "any form of tax increase."

Stalled: 1
No. 446: Enact windfall profits tax for oil companies

Promise Broken: 2
No. 24: End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000
No. 505: Create a $3,000 tax credit for companies that add jobs

Thus in total we get
The Obameter Scorecard

* Promise Kept 45

* Compromise 12

* Promise Broken 7

* Stalled 12

* In the Works 104

* No Action 335

Source: www.politifact.com...

Imo he deserves

[edit on 1-10-2009 by December_Rain]

If that is confusing for you then here in simple on what Obama has Done since he has taken office:


Promises Obama made and kept: 45
No. 15: Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners
No. 33: Establish a credit card bill of rights
No. 36: Expand loan programs for small businesses
No. 40: Extend and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch
No. 58: Expand eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP)
No. 76: Expand funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners
No. 77: Increase funding to expand community based prevention programs
No. 88: Sign the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities
No. 119: Appoint a special adviser to the president on violence against women
No. 125: Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq
No. 134: Send two additional brigades to Afghanistan
No. 174: Give a speech at a major Islamic forum in the first 100 days of his administration
No. 222: Grant Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba
No. 224: Restore funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program
No. 225: Establish an Energy Partnership for the Americas
No. 239: Release presidential records
No. 241: Require new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions.
No. 278: Remove more brush, small trees and vegetation that fuel wildfires
No. 290: Push for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors
No. 307: Create a White House Office on Urban Policy
No. 327: Support increased funding for the NEA
No. 332: Add another Space Shuttle flight
No. 334: Use the private sector to improve spaceflight
No. 337: Use the International Space Station for fundamental biological and physical research
No. 338: Explore whether International Space Station can operate after 2016
No. 345: Enhance earth mapping
No. 346: Appoint an assistant to the president for science and technology policy
No. 356: Establish special crime programs for the New Orleans area
No. 359: Rebuild schools in New Orleans
No. 371: Fund a major expansion of AmeriCorps
No. 391: Appoint the nation's first Chief Technology Officer
No. 411: Work to overturn Ledbetter vs. Goodyear
No. 421: Appoint an American Indian policy adviser
No. 427: Ban lobbyist gifts to executive employees
No. 452: Weatherize 1 million homes per year
No. 458: Invest in all types of alternative energy
No. 459: Enact tax credit for consumers for plug-in hybrid cars
No. 480: Support high-speed rail
No. 483: Invest in public transportation
No. 498: Provide grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes
No. 502: Get his daughters a puppy
No. 503: Appoint at least one Republican to the cabinet
No. 506: Raise the small business investment expensing limit to $250,000 through the end of 2009
No. 507: Extend unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits
No. 513: Reverse restrictions on stem cell research
Source: www.politifact.com...

VS

Promises Obama made but did not kept: 7
No. 24: End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000
No. 234: Allow five days of public comment before signing bills
No. 240: Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials
No. 505: Create a $3,000 tax credit for companies that add jobs
No. 508: Allow penalty-free hardship withdrawals from retirement accounts in 2008 and 2009
No. 511: Recognize the Armenian genocide
No. 517: Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN
Source: www.politifact.com...

tsk tsk tsk...all that rhetoric and propoganda fall flat on it's face!

reply to post by December_Rain


So where are all the jobs fixing our infrastructure? Actually he had nothing to do with extending unemployment that was congress, Oh yea he's paying back some favors by trying to get the olympics held in Chicago. Less and less is said about Iraq since the Iraqi's are starting to run their country, but now Afghanastan is more than likely going to get more troops. The transparency issue still is not being dealt with Sen. Rangel comes to mind.

Originally posted by hangedman13
reply to post by December_Rain

 

So where are all the jobs fixing our infrastructure? Actually he had nothing to do with extending unemployment that was congress, Oh yea he's paying back some favors by trying to get the olympics held in Chicago. Less and less is said about Iraq since the Iraqi's are starting to run their country, but now Afghanastan is more than likely going to get more troops. The transparency issue still is not being dealt with Sen. Rangel comes to mind.

Jobs are in my cupboard. With a question like that, this is the answer you will get. Link is posted above, do some research there before you start your rhetoric again.

The Thread suggests I give Obama a break.

I'd love to.

Probably right between the base of his neck and top of his shoulders.

reply to post by dooper


Exactly the same way I'd love to do that on Israeli Lobby spewing the propoganda against Obama.