Iran finds US-backed MKO fingermarks in riots

Originally posted by MegaCurious
Why these folks would want to over throw their "Ayatollah" is totally beyond me. No news source has given a valid reason for that.

Hmm lets see...I wonder why.
He orders police to murder young women perhaps?
Sends motorbike millitia after young and old alike?
Fixes election results?
Forces women to were hoods?
Has dissidents shot/tortured?

Why would anyone disagree with such a great bloke?
He sounds just fantastic no?
Whyon earth would anyone want to get rid of this thouroughly nice chap,and all his lovely buddies.
Be damned if I know.

After reading latest comments here, I'm so glad people are waking up to the fact that there's so many obvious reasons that the people of Iran want this vicious regime to be destroyed for good.

I know there will always be those that refuse to listen, and try and blame everything on the west. Just to those people I advise you to open your eyes to the way this regime operates and then see how they write news stories on their state controlled news websites, and then listen to their speeches.

It will either make you laugh, cry, get mad or all three. And you will see them for what they are.

Every single thing they say sounds untrue or just bull#. I can not find one news story they write which makes any sense. Presstv even call Israel nazis, I mean come on... the Islamic regime acts like fascist thugs, and have no right to accuse anyone else of deception or thuggery.

Originally posted by ::.mika.::
yo people

DENY IGNORANCE

there isn't a single proof nor evidence that elections were faken

(it is actually the exact opposite...
www.washingtonpost.com...
this one among others like this MKO stuff - the demonstration in paris was real, they claim so many thing that yes, absolutely, this is all premedited)

even if it wasn't faked, although declaring the winner in 4 hours when 35 million votes apparently were counted (no way in hell), the current government is barbaric, sexist and corrupt. I'm all behind the protesters.

These people want change and have the guts to protest and risk their life - it really shows up my country and others where people moan about their government (Gordon brown)yet but do jack all.

well if the theocratic controlled state press said it, it must be true.

shesh, I bet all those protesters must feel really dumb now knowing that they were duped and that nothing fishy at all went on during the election...that it was in fact some guy whom was told to "stir up trouble" that fooled em all.

man, I wonder if they know they have the brainpower of goldfish and they were lead by a couple yanks...at least now they know that the all holy iranian government sorted it out and they can go back to perfect happiness and worship.

Also, did you know in Iraq, before the war, Saddam Hussein got 98% of the vote...totally on the up and up...his state run TV even said so...why would they lie?!?!


you know whats sad...some people in the west...even on this board...would totally trust iranian state run TV over the rest of the world and the iranian people. look at these posts...sad. I mean, think outside the box, sure...but this is outside of the universe the box is located in and in some sort of weird antiverse or evil universe (where Evil Spock/Kirk reside)

Yes, the citizens are revolting against the government
No, your belief or disbelief, approval or disapproval does not mean jack to them..its not your war, you have as much say in it as your cat has about your religion
Yes, the iranian people are dying in the street at the hands of their government
No, this is not the US military hiding behind iranian tanks shooting people
Yes, the state run theocratic iranian press that is allowed to operate under a media blackout does, in fact, lie..omg, totally cerial here...but hey..its a conspiracy..you can cling to that at least...and...tada..this one is actually real (which might automatically make it boring, but whatever).

Simply put, if you truely are against this revolution, get on a plane, goto Iran, and offer yourself up to help stop the western imperialism by shooting the iranian youth in the streets that are fighting the government for their voice and freedom...ya, your a hero.

-crack is wack-

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse

Originally posted by MegaCurious
Why these folks would want to over throw their "Ayatollah" is totally beyond me. No news source has given a valid reason for that.

Hmm lets see...I wonder why.
He orders police to murder young women perhaps?
Sends motorbike millitia after young and old alike?
Fixes election results?
Forces women to were hoods?
Has dissidents shot/tortured?

Why would anyone disagree with such a great bloke?
He sounds just fantastic no?
Whyon earth would anyone want to get rid of this thouroughly nice chap,and all his lovely buddies.
Be damned if I know.

lol so true. exactly what i was talking about in my other posts... there is ENDLESS reasons why theyd want to get rid of him.

Originally posted by john124
After reading latest comments here, I'm so glad people are waking up to the fact that there's so many obvious reasons that the people of Iran want this vicious regime to be destroyed for good.

I know there will always be those that refuse to listen, and try and blame everything on the west. Just to those people I advise you to open your eyes to the way this regime operates and then see how they write news stories on their state controlled news websites, and then listen to their speeches.

It will either make you laugh, cry, get mad or all three. And you will see them for what they are.

Every single thing they say sounds untrue or just bull#. I can not find one news story they write which makes any sense. Presstv even call Israel nazis, I mean come on... the Islamic regime acts like fascist thugs, and have no right to accuse anyone else of deception or thuggery.

You speak perfect sense - this ^^

screw the barbaric government of Iran, no wonder they want rid.

/Sarcasm on

Gosh I am so glad the Iranians found proof of meddling! For a moment I was begining to doubt they were a perfect nation. I mean, my gosh who would -ever- want to overthrown such a fine and upstanding goverment that is so well respected throughout the world!

/Sarcasm off

I doubt this is true,but if not well "Turn about is fair play". Karmic scales balancing for their meddling in other places in the world?

What all of you are forgetting is that they don't watch US mainstream media in Iran.

They watch Iranian media.

They don't see their own country twisted in the same light the US media likes them, and they have more pride and faith in their own country and leaders (whether or not it is justified) than any of you do, without a doubt.

If we watched fair media here in the US there would be more of us rioting in the streets too.


Stop all violence, selfishness, greed, ignorance, incompassion. It has nothing to do with borders or languages; you are all helplessly manipulated in your thoughts every day you are alive.

Rafsanjani's eldest daughter and four other oh his family members have been arrested. This is the strongest indicator so far that there is an internal struggle for control among the prominent Ayatollahs, most visibly Khameini, Rafsanjani, Khatami.

I hear constant knee-jerk condemnation of the US, CIA, the UK, Israel, et al for eveything untoward that happens in the Middle East.

The people of Iran have been held hostage to an increasing corrupt, self-serving regime for 3 decades. The current Supreme Leader, Khameini, has been overseeing a disastrous foreign policy that has drained the economy and may be jeopardizing the country's very existence. A generation of young people have a government imposed on them that they never chose embraced. Human rights have taken the steps back since the Islamic Revolution.

If the US or anyone wants to support those in Iran wanting to replace the this destructive and unpopular government it is not necessarily malign manipulation.


Mike

Originally posted by Helmkat
I doubt this is true,but if not well "Turn about is fair play". Karmic scales balancing for their meddling in other places in the world?

What an ironic comment, coming from someone who speaks English.

What country are you from, and how isolationist is your country, example? Don't tell me you come from the country of the World Police, USA? Overthrowing foreign governments covertly since the 70s and 80s at least? Starting wars with countries without any provocation, only rhetoric? With troops actively stationed all over the world? Or maybe Britain?

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They are not the same pictures. Take a look at the windos right above the flag. On one picture those windows are open, on the next they are closed. The same can be said of several other windows in the foreground building. Those pictures were not taken the same day.

The scam here is being perpetrated by "propaganda matrix"...

Many membes in these forums always love to claim the U.S. or someone in the west is involved in everything that happens in the world, but these very same people, either on purpose, or not don't like to point out that regimes like Iran do their own propaganda too...

The same happens every time Chavez opens his mouth and claims "the U.S. is out to get him", several people here rally with Chavez, even after being shown that Chavez regime is not only oppressive, but Chavez himself has sanctioned violence against his own people.

Sometimes I think ATS is being used by elements who hate the west to propagate this sort of propaganda...



[edit on 21-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

[the current government is barbaric, sexist and corrupt.

...
These people want change and have the guts to protest and risk their life

are you meaning western people have no guts ?
or that western countries are not sexist, barbaric or corrupt ?

i agree on the first proposition

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Not surprisingly, you are also biased in favor of the country you are from. What a shock.

I'm not biased in favor of ANY country, I think they ALL do thinks that are atrocious.

Guess what country is meddling the most with others' affairs, taking it upon itself to regulate what everyone else is doing in the world, starting wars with unprovoked countries and without UN approval? Not Venezuela. Not Cuba. Not Iran.

Which country?

reply to post by ::.mika.::


Flip the coin, what evidence do we have that it wasn't?

Really it's besides the point in my opinion, even if no tampering occurred, at very least, many in the west see an opportunity and are taking advantage of it. The end result is many are dieing, a country is being shaken.

We've called this country a dictatorship but yet they seem to care more about there form of government then we do. When we had two questionable elections with Bush, we made a few ripples, and that was the end of it. In Iran, the masses are out, protesting under any circumstance. If there is foul play at hand you at least have to look to the people of Iran and admire the fact they care more about the world around them more then we do, apparently.

Try and remove the box around your world and try to view these people as fellow human being. I know it's hard, you've been so desensitized but open your mind for once. Don't take the spoon that is being crammed down your throat when you read the paper or watch the MSM. Have an objective yet open mind.

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Originally posted by ::.mika.::

[the current government is barbaric, sexist and corrupt.

...
These people want change and have the guts to protest and risk their life

are you meaning western people have no guts ?
or that western countries are not sexist, barbaric or corrupt ?

i agree on the first proposition

You just seem like you are trying to stir up arguments. No offense. Saying all westerners have no guts is the stupidest thing i ever heard in my ENTIRE life, and thats the truth.

Are you doing anything to change the world? I'm willing to bet you don't do anything more than sitting on the computer arguing, not saying I do anything either, because I don't. I just don't like preachy people.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by jouseroni]

[edit on 21-6-2009 by jouseroni]

Originally posted by bsbray11
What all of you are forgetting is that they don't watch US mainstream media in Iran.

They watch Iranian media.

They don't see their own country twisted in the same light the US media likes them, and they have more pride and faith in their own country and leaders (whether or not it is justified) than any of you do, without a doubt.

If we watched fair media here in the US there would be more of us rioting in the streets too.


Stop all violence, selfishness, greed, ignorance, incompassion. It has nothing to do with borders or languages; you are all helplessly manipulated in your thoughts every day you are alive.

I love you people who attack your own country so much and you just have to argue everything against the west (even though you live in the freaking west!!). I feel sorry for the Iranian people, they are run under a barbaric rule. If you don't think cutting someones hand off for stealing and hanging you from a crane for adultery is barbaric then your simply brainwashed by your strange desire to hate the west. You should go and live in Iran if you like it, you seem to hate your own country so much..

Its people like you who get under my skin - in Iran people obviously want change and instead of just sitting about they risk their lives and protest. if you hate your government you should protest otherwise nothing will happen.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Many members in these forums always love to claim the U.S. or someone in the west is involved in everything that happens in the world, but these very same people, either on purpose, or not don't like to point out that regimes like Iran do their own propaganda too...

[...]

Sometimes I think ATS is being used by elements who hate the west to propagate this sort of propaganda...

Those wanting to disseminate disinformation about the US don't have to bother here. The members do it for them willingly.

Parental rebellion is the political POV for the majority. Big Bad US is the source of all problems, everywhere, at all times. Everybody else is nice and friendly.

"Daddy is mean" is the sophistication level of analysis for every world situation.


Mike

Originally posted by oconnection


Flip the coin, what evidence do we have that it wasn't?

we have this american survey that you see on the washington post

we have the result of the previous election (you have to multiply because there were more voters this time

it might be not that much, but it is much more than the nothing that is being proposed by western media. however they don't have the slightest doubt about it. taking this positin without being able to provide evidence is 100% propaganda.

beside people stop forgetting to remember who is mousavi : prime minister of Khomeny : the darkest age ever of Iran ! look into this MKO stuff out of Iran propaganda (of course they do it all), cia agenda, us law about helping anyone to destabilize Iran...

also i think you are watching TV too much, i mean you are not there to KNOW what is happening

finally remember, it will never be about defending the ayatollah (that will stay anyway with mousavi) but defending TRUTH.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by ::.mika.::]

Originally posted by bsbray11

Not surprisingly, you are also biased in favor of the country you are from. What a shock.

BS bray. I am not in favour of the Communist regime in Cuba, so i don't see how you can claim i am in favour of the country i was born in...

Originally posted by bsbray11
I'm not biased in favor of ANY country, I think they ALL do thinks that are atrocious.

Again, BS, and this is really obvious by your next statement...

Originally posted by bsbray11
Guess what country is meddling the most with others' affairs, taking it upon itself to regulate what everyone else is doing in the world, starting wars with unprovoked countries and without UN approval? Not Venezuela. Not Cuba. Not Iran.

Which country?

Chavez has been caught giving weapons, and other support to Colombia's FARC, and just like castro has done, and every other Communist regime has done, they get involved in other countries, giving support to those regimes that are against the west. This sort of propaganda has even infiltrated the west, which is in great part the reason why we are in the economic crisis we are in, trying to spread their propaganda against the west.

Venezuelan and Bolivian Support for Iran's Nuclear Program
By Ariel Farrar-Wellman

June 4, 2009
On May 25, 2009, evidence emerged linking Venezuela and Bolivia to Iran’s nuclear program. According to a confidential Israeli government report leaked to the Associated Press, Bolivia and Venezuela, which both have uranium deposits or reserves, have supplied uranium to Iran’s nuclear program.[1] While Bolivia has denied the allegations and Venezuela has not commented, both Latin American countries have enjoyed increasingly friendly relations with Iran in recent years. Both nations have additionally made public statements of support for Iran’s nuclear enrichment activities.

Venezuela:
Since Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s election in 2005, Tehran and Caracas have echoed similar anti-American rhetoric.[2] In 2007, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Ahmadinejad claimed that they were strengthening an “axis of unity” against the United States.[3] This entente has spread to include Iran’s sanctioned nuclear program, ranging from Venezuelan statements of support for Iran’s enrichment activities to allegedly supplying the Islamic Republic with uranium.

www.irantracker.org...


Like i was saying, despite the false claims made by some, regimes like Iran do spread their own propaganda, and give aid to terrorist organizations who are anti-western.

reply to post by jonny2410


I do not hate my country, I hate the government that runs it. There's a difference between loving your country and hating the policies and the direction the power that be have taken this great nation.

Your argument is hallow, empty, and you are generalizing. The fact I am dissenting against my government, expressing my views, shows that I love my country, my fellow citizen, and I'm exercising my right to do so.

Go ahead and generalize everything, make everything black or white, you fail to see the gray areas.

Pfff!