Tanks Rolling into Tehran

For those of you that haven't seen the video of Neda: (warning: very graphic)





[edit on 20-6-2009 by john124]

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Because that is the civil thing to do. We'll propose a couple of U.N. resolutions condemning the Iranian government that the Russians and Chinese will kill, we'll invite Ahmadinejad over for some talks and a BBQ, he'll do a talk at some university like in '07, and the whole story will go into the history books and be done.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by john124


Can you explain how we negotiate with vicious thugs that murder little girls. The youtube video of a girl shot in the head today was called Neda and 16 yrs old.

Are you asking me or making a statement?
Because I cant speak for Obama.

Sorry, by that I meant by that Obama's tough diplomacy will not work with the Iranian Islamic regime.

Obama won't do anything unless his handlers snap their fingers. All we can do is sit back and watch as this develops. I hope the people of Iran come out on top.

For those of us outside Iran, we should look around and see what is being covered up by the smoke pouring out of Iran.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
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Because that is the civil thing to do. We'll propose a couple of U.N. resolutions condemning the Iranian government that the Russians and Chinese will kill, we'll invite Ahmadinejad over for some talks and a BBQ, he'll do a talk at some university like in '07, and the whole story will go into the history books and be done.

Yes and then what will we do once Russia and China veto the UN resolution. And Iran just ignores the US or plays for time, until they build a nuclear bomb. I know this has to be done first, but we have to makes plans for what seems inevitable.

It's a double edged sword for Obama - to complain to the UN whilst thousands of Iranian's are being massacred, or try some action such as boycotting Iranian oil without using the UN. I know covert ops and assassinations are last resort options before war. The west doesn't need any more wars, especially whilst in Iraq and Afghanistan/Pakistan(?). We don't want to have to fight N.Korea never mind both N.Korea and Iran. But sometimes push comes to shove we get forced into action, not there yet, but we can't take any option off the table

Hmmm, my opinion about that is do "NOT" let Ahmadinejad into your country to spread extreme views at universities. That is very dangerous and must not be allowed. But let him have his barbeque and 5 mins of fame with Obama, but then tell the regime thugs to get lost, after listening to their lies and bull.

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Moussavi Facebook page throws blame back on regime

TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- Iran's ruling system is "going to the slaughterhouse" because of the national outrage over last week's fraudulent presidential election, the Facebook page of Iran's top opposition presidential candidate quoted him Saturday as saying.
Mir Hossein Moussavi, center, is surrounded by supporters in Tehran, Iran, on Thursday.

The post, attributed to Mir Hossein Moussavi, reasserted his call for a new election to be overseen by an independent council.

The authenticity of the message could not be established. It was posted in Farsi and translated by CNN.

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That video is horrible man.

What the hell is wrong with people. I feel for those that are losing loved ones.

I wonder if the Iranian diplomats are still invited over for hot dogs on July 4th?

Hot dog diplomacy: US woos Iranian diplomats with July 4 barbecues

we should stay out of it, history has it lessons and intervening in civil war is not a good idea.

anything beyond giving food and possible ammunition and weapons for a just cause and civilian defense would be wrong.

anything beyond that would lead us to being seen in a negative light, and probably isnt the best for the country in its current condition.

Originally posted by john124
Yes and then what will we do once Russia and China veto the UN resolution. And Iran just ignores the US or plays for time, until they build a nuclear bomb. I know this has to be done first, but we have to makes plans for what seems inevitable.

Hmmm, my opinion is do "NOT" let Ahmadinejad into your country to spread extreme views at universities. That is very dangerous and must not be allowed. But let him have his barbeque and 5 mins of fame with Obama, but then tell the regime thugs to get lost.

Sorry to say it's not my choice. The left here love Ahmadinejad because he was anti-Bush just like them, and they are hot on extreme views. And the American voters decided to place them into leadership here. What the Iranian people are going through is no concern to them because it's not happening to them personally. I'm sure Obama, Pelosi, and Reid will work this into a new U.S. embassy in Tehran by next year.

Edit: Forgot to add Clinton to the list, seeing as it will be her embassy by the way.

[edit on 6/20/09 by Ferris.Bueller.II]

fox news saying that iran is unstable nuclear thread to the western world, citing the uk is their greatest enemy from the supreme leaders speech, apparently helicopters are flying around pouring acid onto protesters

Originally posted by David9176
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That video is horrible man.

What the hell is wrong with people. I feel for those that are losing loved ones.

I know... She was only 16 as well.



Her murderers are the kind of people the regime have dinner with, and similar to the kind of people Obama wanted to have dinner with on July 4th. I know it's civil and courteous to listen to everyone's views, but you would not want to have dinner with Hitler. These people have the same evil mindset as the Nazi's.

It's ironic how the day before the regime called the UK evil, yet today the regime are responsible for the murder of hundreds of Iranians in the most evil ways possible. Here are a few of the dead from reports: 12 yr old boy, 16 yr old girl, 80 yr old woman, pregnant woman and her child (you don't want to see the pictures of the doctors trying to save the child with bullet holes in him/her, and I don't want to search for it... it's truly unimaginably sick).

Oh and don't get me started about the regime throwing acid and other chemicals at protestors from their helicopters.

One nice story though is where a woman tackles and disarms one of the basij militants and shouts at him, and he leaves them alone. They are a nasty bunch of cowards that won't want to fight anyone who can fight back. They would not stand a chance fighting a real enemy.

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Originally posted by phi1618
we should stay out of it, history has it lessons and intervening in civil war is not a good idea.

anything beyond giving food and possible ammunition and weapons for a just cause and civilian defense would be wrong.

anything beyond that would lead us to being seen in a negative light, and probably isnt the best for the country in its current condition.

Very good point and I totally agree that we need to stay out of this and let the great citizens of Iran demand the change and do their best to get it.

I hope they do and really hope that a lot of lives are lost this is a sad day on one hand for them but on the other hand they are doing what they believe is right and I support that.

That is a very sad sad video. My heart goes out to her and her family.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
OK,

I think we have enough sources that we can safely say, that there ARE tanks rolling in Tehran.

The real question is, should they.

Now just wait, before you spout pro or con...

Here is the real question,

If ever, when IS the right time to send tanks in to control crowds.

How many people is it ok to arrest/kill to stop the rioting?gathering crowd?revolutionaries?angry people who feel they are subjects of religious dictators?

so, to recap, the question is when, if ever, is it ok/proper/reasonable to send tanks to calm the general population?????

I am not saying right or wrong,

I want to know when it is justified, if ever...seriously!

Never.

If the people feel strongly enough about removing your government that you need tanks to defend it, then the only correct thing to do is resign.

Your question really boils down to when is it ok to be a murderous dictatorship operating against the will of the people, making them slaves to the state. Again I say that is never justified.

Originally posted by dallas18
fox news saying that iran is unstable nuclear thread to the western world, citing the uk is their greatest enemy from the supreme leaders speech, apparently helicopters are flying around pouring acid onto protesters

yes that's true, it's good that this is getting onto your news channel, but sad that it happened.

It's irrelevant whether they say Israel, UK or USA as greatest enemy. All these countries are allies and would defend each other to the last man standing.

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that appears to be nonsense. prima facie.

Read the most reasonable analysis:

Iranian Elections: The ‘Stolen Elections’ Hoax

By Prof. James Petras

Global Research, June 18, 2009

“Change for the poor means food and jobs, not a relaxed dress code or mixed recreation... Politics in Iran is a lot more about class war than religion.”
Financial Times Editorial, June 15 2009

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people who believe the main stream media here are the same ones who believe Russia invaded Georgia a year ago to start that conflict over South Ossetia. Americans are such rubes.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II

Originally posted by john124
Yes and then what will we do once Russia and China veto the UN resolution. And Iran just ignores the US or plays for time, until they build a nuclear bomb. I know this has to be done first, but we have to makes plans for what seems inevitable.

Hmmm, my opinion is do "NOT" let Ahmadinejad into your country to spread extreme views at universities. That is very dangerous and must not be allowed. But let him have his barbeque and 5 mins of fame with Obama, but then tell the regime thugs to get lost.

Sorry to say it's not my choice. The left here love Ahmadinejad because he was anti-Bush just like them, and they are hot on extreme views. And the American voters decided to place them into leadership here. What the Iranian people are going through is no concern to them because it's not happening to them personally. I'm sure Obama, Pelosi, and Reid will work this into a new U.S. embassy in Tehran by next year.

Well I'm not sure it would be wise to have a US embassy in Tehran, not while Khaminei is in charge. Remember the hostage situation in 1979: en.wikipedia.org...

Don't need a repeat of that. Things are really bad in Iran, and I think mainstream media is only just starting to wake up to that fact. European embassy's have been taking the wounded because hospitals are guarded by basij militia thugs. This means those countries are now involved whether they like it or not. That includes British, Irish, French, Swedish and around 5 more.

I'm guessing the regime will end up storming these embassies and kick out the diplomats onto the next plane and then close the airports. Hopefully the diplomats will just cooperate, there's no reason for them to die.

Also about Ahmadinejad, western media haven't portrayed Iran very accurately for a very long time. They repeat regime propaganda but don't very often question it, and that leads to many people even politicians thinking that we can find a common basis with them.

Unfortunately once they discover that there's very little in common unless we bow to all demands they make, then there's very little to discuss. And that also leads to not realising how dangerous letting them roam free to talk to Muslim students in univerisities can be.

No-one wants any homegrown terrorists to appear out of nowhere and blow up a bus.

The Islamic Republic will still exist , once this reaches its conclusion IMHO.
It will be the personal , and not the institutions that will change.

There is quite a power struggle afoot , with each side evoking the spirit of "the revolution" .

It would appear Mousavi has the backing of Former president and influential cleric Ayatollah Hashemi Rafsanjani .
Ahmadinejad alienated Rafsanjani , by accusing him of corruption during the vitriolic election campaign .

Rafsanjani was president between 1989 and 1997, but failed to win a third term when in 2005, losing to Ahmadinejad in a runoff.

He was a close follower of the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, father of Iran's Islamic Revolution. He now heads the Expediency Council, a body that arbitrates disputes between parliament and the unelected Guardian Council, which can block legislation

source

And more importantly ........

He also is the head of the powerful Assembly of Experts, which comprises senior clerics who can elect and dismiss the country's supreme leader.

(emphasis mine)
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Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei , may be put out to pasture .Even he is expendable, the Islamic Republic will not be allowed to fail .

A possible successor ; Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri ;

an elderly cleric who was the designated successor to the leader of the 1979 revolution, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

Ayatollah Khomeini cast him aside, however, after Ayatollah Montazeri complained about the execution of thousands of political prisoners in 1988

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Does Rafsanjani have enough sway , can he mustered enough political clout to oust Khamenei ,who is embedded amongst the Revolutionary Guard Corps, the country's elite military force ?.

The regime brought this upon themselves by making a big show of having"fair"elections and then delivering a bag of goods instead.And then they're suprised at the backlash?

Originally posted by dallas18
apparently helicopters are flying around pouring acid onto protesters

Is there a source for that bit of info?