Tanks Rolling into Tehran

Originally posted by Redpillblues

Originally posted by xmotex

This is the Iranian's fight, for better or worse, it is the Iranians who will determine their own fate.

exacly, hell if the US gets involved 2 months down the road people will be condeming us like they always do..

That's true.

This is just a big of a test for Obama now as North Korea. Massive decisions for him to make will only make his hair go greyer.

reply to post by Jakes51


Oh, there is no doubt I support revolution against wreckless and wrongheaded governments.
But as they say, tend your own yard first.
Or something like that.

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by Jakes51

 

Oh, there is no doubt I support revolution against wreckless and wrongheaded governments.
But as they say, tend your own yard first.
Or something like that.

Totally agree with you and there are quite a few weeds that need to be plucked. However, we can at least offer a few kind words to the Iranians in their darkest hour and revolution. Make no mistake this is a revolution unfolding before our very eyes. I'm not saying the US should get involved militarily or covertly. Just say that we support them and that's all.

There is sobbing of the strong,
And a pall upon the land;
But the People in their weeping
Bare the iron hand:
Beware the People weeping
When they bare the iron hand.

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OK,

I think we have enough sources that we can safely say, that there ARE tanks rolling in Tehran.

The real question is, should they.

Now just wait, before you spout pro or con...

Here is the real question,

If ever, when IS the right time to send tanks in to control crowds.

How many people is it ok to arrest/kill to stop the rioting?gathering crowd?revolutionaries?angry people who feel they are subjects of religious dictators?

so, to recap, the question is when, if ever, is it ok/proper/reasonable to send tanks to calm the general population?????

I am not saying right or wrong,

I want to know when it is justified, if ever...seriously!

Originally posted by tezzajw
Let them fight it out amongst themselves. There's nothing else to be done, other than watch, wait and see.

I wish a few more countries would break the shackles of their oppressive rulers.

Exactly in order for this to truly be a "Iranian peoples" fight for their rights it needs to come from within with no outside influence. The Iran of the future will be a thousand times stronger for it.

God speed.

Originally posted by Redpillblues

Originally posted by xmotex

This is the Iranian's fight, for better or worse, it is the Iranians who will determine their own fate.

exacly, hell if the US gets involved 2 months down the road people will be condeming us like they always do..

Good for us we're not Iranians.

The only way these protests have a chance of succeeding is if the military decides to take the side of Musavi and the protesters.

The chances of that happening are few, but they will be reduced to ZERO if the US is seen to be aggressively supporting Musavi and his followers.

The best strategy for the moment is to sit on the sideline and say little other than the bare minimum.

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Maybe we shouldn't intervene militarily, but what do you think of a boycott of Iranian oil if oil workers don't strike tomorrow? Can this be achieved.

reply to post by FredT

The fate of Iran should be left to her people to decide.

Well stated. This is not our country. It is not our fight. Let the people fight for what they want. For cripes sakes, the last thing WE need is to be dwelling in another country.

Fox News has been showing some amazing coverage today and they are supposedly staying live all night to report what is happening.

If things continue to get bad here...could this possibly be the future of the USA?

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The only chance these protests have a chance of succeeding is if the military decides to take the side of Musavi and the protesters.

I agree. This has to happen. Rocks and stones cannot stop bullets and tanks. Only the military can. Hopefully they come to the realization that they are attacking their fellow countrymen.

Muosavi...I don't think he's a leader for freedom by any means...but if this is what Iranians want...then that is what they should have.

The whole world will be impacted by the outcome, and it very well could impact all of our futures.

Originally posted by David9176



If things continue to get bad here...could this possibly be the future of the USA?

Well noted..We have our own problems to deal with..and I would not want any other country to get involved..

Thank God we are not Jews, commies, Iranians...
It's none of our business.
Let's do nuttn.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
If ever, when IS the right time to send tanks in to control crowds.

No, Tanks are a show of force and tend to fare poorly in packed urban environments. Just ask the IDF when they go into Gaza areas. You require infantry and chopter support otherwise tanks are pretty vulnerable.

How many people is it ok to arrest/kill to stop the rioting?gathering crowd?revolutionaries?angry people who feel they are subjects of religious dictators?

Every death becomes a martyr and even if this is quelled the seeds of revolution have been planted.

so, to recap, the question is when, if ever, is it ok/proper/reasonable to send tanks to calm the general population?????

Based on historical events. Unless you are willing to kill thousands like the ChiComs in Tienneman Square (According to most human rights groups, the man who stopped the tank got a bullet in his head for his trouble later) its nothing mroe than a show of force.

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by FredT

 

The fate of Iran should be left to her people to decide.

Well stated. This is not our country. It is not our fight. Let the people fight for what they want. For cripes sakes, the last thing WE need is to be dwelling in another country.

Fox News has been showing some amazing coverage today and they are supposedly staying live all night to report what is happening.

If things continue to get bad here...could this possibly be the future of the USA?

It won't get that bad. I can't see the US govt. pouring burning acid onto protestors. But tanks, I can certainly see that as a last resort military coup, but only as a desperate last stand.

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Tanks battling irregular forces in an urban setting have faired poorly actually. Just ask the IDF about the use of tanks in packed Gaza cities. last time they made signifigant changes to thier tactics and supported them from the air and ground. Might not be the case here.

To effectivley answer the tank question what we need to kow is whos tanks do they belong too?

Are they Regular Army or the Revolutionary Guard? If they are the revolutionary guard which keeps the status quo in power then the lieklyhood of them turning in symathy or balking about firing at citizens is doubtfull.

twitter #iranelection the tanks haven't been confirmed yet and people are saying it appears to be a govt rumour

Based on historical events. Unless you are willing to kill thousands like the ChiComs in Tienneman Square (According to most human rights groups, the man who stopped the tank got a bullet in his head for his trouble later) its nothing mroe than a show of force.

I once saw a report stating he may still be alive somewhere in China. Sounds more likely they put a bullet in him.

I just had a horrible vision of snipers hiding in Tehran's tallest buildings taking out protestors, and choppers flying overhead protecting tanks that themselves protect regime buildings.

Didn't we have a webbot prediction for this year saying mass rioting, unrest, people angry at the truth hidden from them, blood, guts, and similar stuff like that. Or was that last year's webbot stuff. It's eerily like what's been going off in Iran, although I suppose it is quite vague.

reply to post by FredT


True. But the question is...do Iranians have the right to bear arms? Does a regular citizen have the right to own a gun?

This itself makes a huge difference and I have no idea if they are allowed to or not...

I know it's not all about tanks...it's about bullets and guns.

Just hope for the best...it's not everyday that you see a possible "revolution" being televised on tv.

Also nice to know that I don't see any American military anywhere!

We need to stay out of it..period...we've lost enough American soldiers.