Are you willing to die to win your "Revolution"?

reply to post by gwydionblack


Say what you want. Doesn't change my opinion.

I have seen thread after thread after thread after thread each saying that its time for a revolution. Page after page after page of people beating their virtual chests.


How many have actually put a plan in motion? Who here has actually done some of the leg work to getting this "revolution" underway?

There won't be any revolution, just people on their computers asking others if they have had enough yet.

So I will sit back and watch you all claim you would willingly fight and most likely die in a revolution.

I am getting old, I don't know how much time I have left on this planet,

Watching the video of Neda moved me like nothing has in a long time

My son and I talked about what we would be willing to die for, just then they spoke of the older people in Iran, people in their 60s and 70s using their bodies as human shields to protect the young demonstrators,

Would I have what it takes?

reply to post by jd140


Because WE will not be starting it, TPTB will.

There is something major coming down the pipeline. When it comes, the S will HTF.

The ball is in THEIR court. It is not just people chatting with each other about their frustrations. People are preparing for the worst to happen. The people who have prepared will be ready. The others who did not prepare . . . it will not be pretty.

And if it gets postponed, it is better safe than sorry, no?

I refuse to get caught with my pants down.

Basically, no one is going out looking to start anything. But we are preparing for when something does get started.


[edit on 22/6/2009 by xxpigxx]

reply to post by xxpigxx


Hmm so you are willing to wait until martial law before coming up with a plan?

You think the American Revolution was a bunch of guys making it up as they go?

I stand by my assesment.

edit to add-

I'm not talking about the bulk of America. I'm just talking about the people on this site.

[edit on 22-6-2009 by jd140]

reply to post by jd140



Perhaps you did not read correctly? Their are reactive plans in place, not proactive.

[edit on 22/6/2009 by xxpigxx]

Originally posted by xxpigxx
reply to post by jd140

 

Perhaps you did not read correctly? Their are reactive plans in place, not proactive.

[edit on 22/6/2009 by xxpigxx]

There are 4 pages of posts and many many threads on the subject. Perhaps you can copy and paste these reactive plans. If you are worried about secrecy then you can U2U them to me.

Can't wait to look them over, they should provide me a chuckle or two.

reply to post by jd140


Or you can get with like-minded people and make your own damned plans to chuckle over.

reply to post by xxpigxx


No, no.

You said there is a reactionary plan in place. I would like to see it.

Being able to vote for who you want, go where you want, live how you want and even go onto this website at will, is not oppression and no-one should die or be hurt fighting against it.

That's funny.

Being able to vote for who you want

If you do, you're considered as terrorist. Vote for Ron Paul or Bob Barr? Terrorist according to the DHS. Voting democrat or republican is voting for a puppet.

go where you want

That's funny. I'm on the no-fly list. Why? Because I went to protest Bilderberg in 2006. Nothing else. And I can't be taken off the list. Me and a few millions others on the watchlists are only peaceful protesters. And go where you want... yeah, soon it will be if you have your biometric card and it's already if you submit LIKE A SLAVE at the airport, being searched like a criminal... and ON THE ROAD checkpoints... like in Soviet Russia.

live how you want

That's coming to an end too. Carbon taxes. IRS. Global Warming police. Feds taking over all water in the country. You need a permit for EVERYTHING.

even go onto this website at will

That will soon be a thing of the past if current submitted legislation passes.

is not oppression and no-one should die or be hurt fighting against it.

Yeah. Do a reality check.

At this time, I think we're like Iranians. We knew we were more and more in a tyranny, but we will only go to violence when they start killing us. Until they go violent against us, we won't go violent. Who starts the violence lose.

EDIT: Sorry... by terror watchlist, I meant NO-FLY list...

[edit on 23-6-2009 by Vitchilo]

reply to post by jd140


Like I said . . . how about making your own plans?

I am not willing to share such information of my own with someone whom I do not know over the internet. Thanks for playing though.

reply to post by xxpigxx


You deflect questions better then any politican.

I don't know what game I was playing. You stated that there is a plan and then refuse to explain. You only tell me to make my own plans. Thats a good strategy for a well run revolution.

Here I was, thinking I had to see these plans you claim to have to get a chuckle. Guess I was wrong.

My earlier assesment stands.

reply to post by jd140


Heh . . . how so? Because I do not show you my plans means I have none? I have deflected nothing.

1.) Why would I show a stranger my plans.

2.) Why would I show someone my plans who is going to laugh and disparage them/me?

3.) Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

4.) Thanks for playing.

Originally posted by xxpigxx
reply to post by jd140

 

Heh . . . how so? Because I do not show you my plans means I have none? I have deflected nothing.

1.) Why would I show a stranger my plans.

2.) Why would I show someone my plans who is going to laugh and disparage them/me?

3.) Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

4.) Thanks for playing.

1. Why would you tell a stranger you have such plans.

2. Why are you afraid they will be laughed at.

3. Don't make claims if you are unwilling to back them up.

4. Your welcome?

My assesment stands because I have come to that conclusion from watching what has been posted, you like everyone else, so far are nothing but words behind a keyboard. If you and a group of your friends gathered around the bug zapper one night, drinking Natural Ice and came up with a plan in your drunken stupor. Good for you.

Maybe you will be part of the 1% on ATS who has the stones. Odds are against you though. I'm betting you will be part of the herd that tucks tail and runs.

What a funny question.

It is counterintuitive to be willing to die for anything, but a perfect question would be, " Are you willing to fight and maybe killed to . . . "

I don't recall being asked to die for anything when I served in combat. I don't recall the subject ever came up.

Now, if a fight is presented, am I willing to fight to the death if only death will determine a victor? Based on past habit, I can assure you that sometimes you don't really have a say in the matter. You'll kill him, or you'll die. Again, not much of a choice.

Hey. Don't get all this confused. Here's the critical truth: No one gets out alive. No one. Not courageous men, not cowards.

Everyone dies. But few know how to really, really live.

I do note however that those with courage seem to make their own luck whereas the cowards never seem to have any luck.

The question begs, who will start the "revolution?" The truth is, just as all through history, there will be an "event" that will precipitate such a revolution. This "event" will kick off everything that comes after.

You'll be on one side or the other, and simultaneously, you'll be on the receiving end or the giving end.

Only ten percent of a population matter anyway. That ten percent that make things happen. Those few who carry the burden for all the others. Those who act when action is called for.

90% of any population are nothing more than cattle anyway. They'll willingly be herded in whatever direction they are directed. They'll willingly walk right to the slaughterhouse.

They'll even walk right in.

There's a lot more stupidity than one would like to believe.

I took an oath once, I fought in moral combat, I risked myself for my brothers, and that was satisfaction enough. Just to be among such men is enough. And no one every died for an ideal. They died for each other, defending each other, protecting each other, and even recovering one another.

Hell, it doesn't get any higher than that.

Would I be willing to die for my "revolution?"

Hell no. I won't be starting no revolution. It won't happen like that. It will be started by the other side - the side that ignores the Constitution - and things will be completely out of control before anyone really knows what's going on.

Come on, think back. What precipitated the Civil War in Rome? The French Revolution? The American Revolution? The Spanish Civil War? The Russian Revolution?

You'll see in each instance a population that feel helplessly oppressed, and in each instance, the smallest "incident" kicked them off. And like an avalanche, once started, the traditional "security" forces were unable to stop the events to unfold.

Only after a great frustration exhausted by great bloodshed did the events come to an end. And each time, the former powers were dead and powerless.

Oh. That ten percent? Yep. They're the new rule makers, and the others will follow where they are lead.

As usual.


[edit on 23-6-2009 by dooper]

Originally posted by jd140


1. Why would you tell a stranger you have such plans.

So some might get the picture and make their own plans . . .

2. Why are you afraid they will be laughed at.

I will answer with quotes from you:

Originally posted by jd140
. . .

Can't wait to look them over, they should provide me a chuckle or two.

Originally posted by jd140
. . .

Here I was, thinking I had to see these plans you claim to have to get a chuckle. Guess I was wrong.

Did you forget your own words?

3. Don't make claims if you are unwilling to back them up.

Perhaps you should do the same?

4. Your welcome?

My assessment stands because I have come to that conclusion from watching what has been posted, you like everyone else, so far are nothing but words behind a keyboard. If you and a group of your friends gathered around the bug zapper one night, drinking Natural Ice and came up with a plan in your drunken stupor. Good for you.

Maybe you will be part of the 1% on ATS who has the stones. Odds are against you though. I'm betting you will be part of the herd that tucks tail and runs.

Like I said before, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Because you choose not to do something does not mean that everyone else is the same way as you.



[edit on 23/6/2009 by xxpigxx]

Don't mean to bust into a personal argument here, but JD, I think the plans referred to are much more detailed than one would normally consider.

A fox never trusts himself to one hole.

Everyone that's ever sat down quietly and given the matter some serious thought has come up with likely dangers, from likely directions, and has considered short term ass-hauling or sitting it out.

Anyone with prudence has set by a significant store of food and water either where they plan to sit it out, or where they intend to hole up.

But setting aside food and water isn't quite enough. You better be situated to hold onto it.

Then, there are those who are even better prepared, and friends have already planned for mutual defense and support.

And believe me, some of these little groups are extremely well prepared.

Sorry for busting in, but many have highly detailed plans for whatever may come.

reply to post by dooper


Bust in all you like dooper. lol

I am not too articulate with words sometimes, but good post.

No, I am not willing to kill or die for my revolution.

If I were, then it would be no revolution at all!


I am willing to live for my revolution, when enough people are of a common mind, then the revolution has begun and ended.

Your masters control you through your hate and anger. You are a puppet on their strings.

Here is a new mantra for you:

Who are these people that I give them the power to control me through my emotions?

reply to post by Cyberbian

Cyberian, just a thought for you to consider.

In this current society, there are the tax payers, and then there are the tax eaters.

Those that produce, and those who are parasites.

The tax eaters, or parasites outnumber the tax payers, or producers.

They have no chance in hell at the ballot box.

So something else will have to be done.

This is exactly why our founding fathers didn't want a democracy, but a republic.

Too many people willing to sit on their lazy, sorry asses and let others do the work and then feed them.

To elect not to fight is a personal choice. You think.

The problem is, when whatever event starts the whole thing to go tits up, you may not have a choice whether you fight or not.

Especially when the fight shows up at your front door.

The only threat to me are those who are filled with hate.


Deal with your anger issues and I will be OK.