Um... Martian Hermit Crab?

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This is more what i like what i meant earlier




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Here is actual footage of a similar critter crawling on the surface of Mars!
This footage is getting more and more convincing!

Originally posted by Haunebu
Here is actual footage of a similar critter crawling on the surface of Mars!
This footage is getting more and more convincing!

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[edit on 21-6-2009 by elevatedone]

Originally posted by breakingdradles

Originally posted by bananasam
there's a similar phenomena on earth:

www.answerbag.com...

It might be just a rock, but interesting nonetheless!

[edit on 20-6-2009 by bananasam]

This was proven to be flooding water which only happened a few times a year.

Are you saying there is not just water on mars, but floods?

no it wasn't - they happen nightly.
the most accepted explanation for those rocks is currently a combination of morning frost (you would be amazed at how cold the desert gets at night) and strong winds being compressed against the surface. considering they have only been recorded as having moved at night, this is a very plausible explanation.

en.wikipedia.org...

mars has also had some rather intense and large dust storms in the past. this *could* account for the rock's movement, but in my opinion it isn't the best explanation out there. compared to a martian hermit crab though, its much stronger .

if you *were* to entertain the hermit crab hypothesis, i see no evidence of feet or another means of propulsion in the trail. for reference, here is an image of hermit crab tracks.

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I've spent hours trying to find those mountains on Earth or Mars. We all should try that.


Also, in addition, it appears that the rock is several weeks old. This is odd considering winds would have erased the trail over that time period. The only logical answer is that the picture from this view was one of the first:



phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu...

I'm working to try and find an image with it not there.

that would be crazy if they somehow link up with those crazy death valley rocks. Perhaps its a race of rock people? or really little people living under or in a rock?

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Ah! my bad. When I had hermit crabs as a pet, they didn't leave tracks. They left trails. So that's where I got the idea.

woah, totally reminds me of the movie "Enemy Mine."

www.imdb.com...

anyone seen it?

Yet another third perspective. The trail is still there.



I don't understand how winds did not wipe this trail away yet.

The only way this is possible is if the soil itself is filled with water and is frozen, holding the ground together. This would heavily provide the possibility of yearly floods on Mars. if it is a living creature, it would be an ice digger of some sort.



phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu...

Originally posted by Haunebu
Here is actual footage of a similar critter crawling on the surface of Mars!
This footage is getting more and more convincing!

Landing in 1962, eh? Seven-years before we land on the Moon, Four years before the first Moon probe?

Wow!

Originally posted by Haunebu
Here is actual footage of a similar critter crawling on the surface of Mars!
This footage is getting more and more convincing!

that *screams* fake to me.
not only is it footage of a supposed mars landing in 1962, but you can hear noises while ti is coming in for a landing. why would they put a microphone on an external camera? im assuming it is external, because you wouldn't be hearing intermittent noises that loudly from the inside of a space worthy ship.

also, the flight path screams fake. that is a *lot* of course corrections, with an atmosphere involved that is a great deal of wasted time and fuel. more realistically, an ideal landing spot would be spotted from space (after of course being planned from day 1) and the trajectory towards it would involve only minor course corrections. not to mention that landing is *far* too soft.

lastly, they are having a real-time conversation. It takes 2 minutes for a message from mars to reach earth, and thus 4 minutes to receive a reply.

and if i had the dates this supposedly took place in, and software capable of modeling planetary positions on specific dates, i can pretty much guarantee mars would be nowhere near an ideal position in its orbit for a space mission to have realistically taken place.

[edit on 20-6-2009 by JScytale]

Originally posted by JScytale
no it wasn't - they happen nightly.
the most accepted explanation for those rocks is currently a combination of morning frost (you would be amazed at how cold the desert gets at night) and strong winds being compressed against the surface. considering they have only been recorded as having moved at night, this is a very plausible explanation.

Except no one has yet though to put video surveillance on those rocks to watch them move

mars has also had some rather intense and large dust storms in the past. this *could* account for the rock's movement, but in my opinion it isn't the best explanation out there. compared to a martian hermit crab though, its much stronger

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While I do like the crab idea, the fact that this moved rock is between the lander and the area scoped out it is likely that the scooping arm of the lander bumped it

Originally posted by cassiopeia

Originally posted by Gorman91
So I'm bored and looking at Mars pictures, and suddenly I notice something odd. A Rock.....With a curved trail?!

The larger picture is bellow. I understand that the picture curves slightly, but it's still not enough to make this a straight line. This is a rock with a trail behind it. And a trail that is not straight.

www.nasa.gov...

So, what the hell is this? A hermit crab shell or something?

ALSO bear in mind in the full picture, it's heading towards a point where they discovered water I think. is it a thing looking for a drink under the dirt?
www.devicedaily.com...

[edit on 20-6-2009 by Gorman91]

[edit on 20-6-2009 by Gorman91]

It may also be due to gravity, it could be a rock that has rollin downhill and thats why it also looks skewed...

How can it roll sideways ?

Originally posted by zorgon

Except no one has yet though to put video surveillance on those rocks to watch them move

that's what i mean - no one has ever seen them move, but plenty of people have studied them during the day, gone to bed, and found them in new positions the next morning. people have been around them during the day and seen no movement.

now, if death valley wasn't so hostile or serious research took place, im sure people could record it.

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nope. The arm is pretty high.

Sadly, whatever it was, it's a pit now:






[edit on 20-6-2009 by Gorman91]

Originally posted by JScytale
now, if death valley wasn't so hostile or serious research took place, im sure people could record it.

How hard is it to set up a time lapse camera over night? We do that for monitoring construction sites and military bases in the SAME hostile environment... and Death Valley is only bad in July and August

As to the crab Here is what I have in my data base so far

You need to right click to view entire picture

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[edit on 20-6-2009 by zorgon]

Originally posted by Gorman91
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if i recall, this mission involved landing the "pod" that opened up and allowed the rover to move out, correct?

look at the position of the "leafs" for lack of a better term - the flat pieces horizontal to the ground. These opened outwards to reveal the rover if I am not confusing this mission with another. now look at the rock's path. It does look to me like the rock was caught under them as they opened and was "popped" out, and rolled in that odd curved pattern because of the rock's unconventional shape.

it could also have been simply blasted by the impact of the pod. notice the pattern of the grains of "sand" - there was an obviously significant impact involved.

[edit on 20-6-2009 by JScytale]

Originally posted by zorgon
How hard is it to set up a time lapse camera over night? We do that for monitoring construction sites and military bases in the SAME hostile environment... and Death Valley is only bad in July and August

my point was people have only researched it casually, and its not a pleasant place to stay. Someone could easily set up a time lapse, but casual researchers don't tend to have one laying around unless they are funded. And no one is really interested in discovering why some rocks move around in a valley or being the first to film it when they could, say, fund an archaeological expedition that holds great promise elsewhere.

See my post above yours seems we posted at the same time

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nope. The Phoenix mission did not have rovers.