Ayatollah: Death to the treacherous UK

reply to post by Mintwithahole.


Our country and our Government are two entirely different things. Labour can go swing from the highest tree (as can the rest of them), but I will defend England to the death.

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
As one we all cried at the top of our voices how these hypocrites should be thrown out of parliament and fed to the lions, but an Iranian certified loon says we are trechorous and we all start passionately defending our country.

'Cos we love our beautiful # h*le. I think sums it up perfectly. We have every right to grumble and moan amongst ourselves, but as soon as an external force threatens us, then spirit of blighty kicks in.

Yes, we may have a class divide, a huge political sway amongst our citizenry, yes we have bastard police and invasive cameras and rip off everything. Yes, we have bad weather and mundane food, mental children, greedy politicians, crap television and Kilroy Silk.

But by god it's ours...



(except for Kilroy )

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Mintwithahole.

 

Our country and our Government are two entirely different things. Labour can go swing from the highest tree (as can the rest of them), but I will defend England to the death.

Are you kidding me? I have this image in my mind of Tim Brooke Taylor of Goodies fame with his Union Jack waistcoat on when I read your words. Your passion and your good grace and pride are to be commended but I fear they are misplaced! You would lay down your life for your country why it, and it's governors would step over your corpse without hesitation on their way to achieving their hidden agenda. This England, the green and pleasant land you so obviously hanker for is long gone my friend. It gives me no pleasure in saying it but a succession of disastrous governments and their policies has killed the once mighty England. May it rest in peace. You will be sorely missed. . .

reply to post by Mintwithahole.


It isn't gone, it might seem like that at times, but it is still there underneath all this bullcrap.

There are still many people out there who believe in it, who will happily see the back of our European overlords and put an end to the nanny state, PC driven pile of crap that it is morphing into.

I would fight to the death not to defend some ideal, or serve a political master, but because this land is my home and has been my families home for centuries!

Blah, blah, blah.

We lost our (UK) identity many moons ago. Leicester, Bradford, Handsworth, Salford, etc are becoming pockets of Islamic culture. It's just a matter of time before their web becomes meshed and we will be the minorities.

Regarding the Ayatollah, well he's a paid agent by the elite to incite artificial hatred so they can instigate war to acquisition the gas. The West will then have check-mate in the middle east and their domination of the Caspian sea and its vast reserves of oil, will be for the taking.

It's all about the black gold. Politics is just a façade.

When Iranians say Death To something, it doesn't translate to actual DEATH and DESTRUCTION.

Don't take it too literal.

Thanks.

reply to post by GorehoundLarry


Ah okay... he's talking about kittens and drain pipes?

I now understand now.

Excuse my imaginary brain.

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
We truly live in strange days. . !
Here on ATS we have scores of posts about how the British government have worked one up the people with their expence claims, how our police force is becoming out of control and how our leaders are carrying out orders from the shadowy elite and the NWO. As one we all cried at the top of our voices how these hypocrites should be thrown out of parliament and fed to the lions, but an Iranian certified loon says we are trechorous and we all start passionately defending our country.
Come on guys, we're either whiter than white, honest and open or this madman from Iran does indeed have a point.

There's a very big difference between stealing a few pounds of government money to what Khaminei means. He said we are interfering, what's that got to do with expenses claims.

Khaminei is a hypocrite that can't really criticize anyone else (not even the protestors) for violence, when in fact he's the one responsible for the most amount and worst levels of violence.

Not everyone is crying out about NWO, shadow govt. elites etc, and that our governments want to kill us all to reduce world populations and the rest of that rubbish! I see comments even suggestings world wars look planned from the start. Chaos cannot be controlled, and war is chaos. I know people will have vague answers such as oh no the elite can do that we have alien tech etc, but I ask of you... where's your bloody evidence?

And don't you realise that people react different when it's the outside criticizing than if it's our own people or yourself. It's just human nature to do that. I suppose most people are slight hypocrites from time to time, but Khamenei is a "complete" hypocrite. There's a great thread already on that. And that level of hypocrisy is almost unprecented, and you can't really compare that to forum comments.

In America and the UK - politicians in NO WAY represent the people of those countries. When a foreign nation says "America" or they say the "UK" who are they talking about?

They are talking about those no good gangster scum who run your countires. Do Iranians hate the people of the UK? I would say not at all. If you think about it - what can you say that Iran has done to the UK - is there some real problem between your countries? No - there is no problem - but your government is inventing a problem because they want to control Irans oil.

When the CIA, Mossad and MI5 are the ambassadors for your country - as they are in Iran - stirring social unrest and lies - then you can expect people not to be happy with your countries.

It is no secret at all that the Bilderscum want a new government in Iran - so it should be considered MOST likely that this is all false media, and that espionage is the reason for the civil unrest. After all the CIA already organized a successful coup in Iran as late as 1953 - that wasn't that long ago.

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reply to post by blupblup


I am confused. Were these the people that are supporting Ayatolah's statements or against them? And why did they start chanting "death to Isreal, America, and the UK? Why do they want us dead? And do those who do not support the election also wish death to us?

edit to add: Are we, as Americans, supposed to be hating Iranians? If so, why?

[edit on 20-6-2009 by space cadet]

It sounds like the Iranian people are easily fooled into chanting anything.

Somebody should go over there and Chant "Wheres my burrito!" It'll probally catch on.

Originally posted by Mikeyy
It sounds like the Iranian people are easily fooled into chanting anything.

Somebody should go over there and Chant "Wheres my burrito!" It'll probally catch on.

Genius.

Originally posted by space cadet
reply to post by blupblup

 

I am confused. Were these the people that are supporting Ayatolah's statements or against them?

I would say judging from the reactions he got and the fact that the crowd were chanting what they were, they supported him.

And why did they start chanting "death to Isreal, America, and the UK? Why do they want us dead? And do those who do not support the election also wish death to us?

Because they don't like us maybe?
Because we interfere in other peoples affairs and start illegal wars?
Dunno man.... your guess is as good as mine

And no..... why would everyone want us dead?
Not all Iranians think and act the same.
That would be a bit silly i think....

edit to add: Are we, as Americans, supposed to be hating Iranians? If so, why?

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Not sure what Americans should be doing.....if you, as an individual, want to hate Iranians over the actions and statements of a handful of extremist nutters...you go for it mate...why not eh?

If perhaps you think that not everyone should be tarred with the same brush and we shouldn't think that every Iranian wants us dead.... think that instead.

Your choice.


I'm guessing you wouldn't want everyone likening you to George Bush.... so i wouldn't lump everyone in with Ayatollah Khamenei and his followers.

I am not 'lumping' myself in with everyone else, I am asking if Iranians think Americans, not our government, but the people, hate them, and are they saying they hate all the people of america, and if so , why? I know the government has in their opinions 'meddled', but 'death to America' sounds more like 'hey lets go kill all Americans' to me, and I am trying to make sense of that.

Originally posted by The Last Man on Earth

Oh I think we are all aware of that, but the thing is, the US is the worst. How many Iranian revolutions have been orchestrated by the CIA? The reason everyone's outraged about them attacking the UK is that we haven't actually done anything to Iran for a long time...

Hate to be the one to tell you, but if there is one other country in the world that is entirely "in bed" with the United States, it's the UK.

Haven't you noticed the trend -- what happens in the US follows suit in the UK. From politicians being corrupt, to claiming bogus expenses, to supporting the war in Iraq, all the way down to fashion for heaven's sake.

I can still picture Blair standing side-by-side with Bush chanting about the "axis of evil" in Iraq. Then, to make matters worse, Brown continued the same rhetoric.

reply to post by space cadet


You'll never make sense of it because it makes no sense. The problem with Iran, and other countries like it, is that the government controls the media.

So, if Iran wants its people to rise against any particular nation, they will show footage/articles to support their argument. Read the Iranian newspaper. It's amazing the spin they put on things.

i really hope things change in 2012!

Originally posted by space cadet
I am not 'lumping' myself in with everyone else, I am asking if Iranians think Americans, not our government, but the people, hate them, and are they saying they hate all the people of america, and if so , why? I know the government has in their opinions 'meddled', but 'death to America' sounds more like 'hey lets go kill all Americans' to me, and I am trying to make sense of that.

Well they said the UK government was "the most treacherous" so I'd imagine they were talking more about the governments of the nations, than the people themselves.

I wouldn't take it personally and i wouldn't take it as though they mean every single person of any nations they mentioned.

AS I said before it is conditioning, you are brought up to hate others chances are you are going to hate them.
What does it take to break free?

Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by GorehoundLarry

 

Ah okay... he's talking about kittens and drain pipes?

I now understand now.

Excuse my imaginary brain.

Uh, ha ha. So funny.

No, when they say "Death to" it means "Down with"

Just because their language is different from yours, doesn't give you a right to be ignorant.